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What to expect from the next model year Prius

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes 2009 production is underway. We already have the 2009 brochures waiting the arrival of the new models.

    I have a feeling that there is likely to be a 'Gold Rush' mentality for the new 2010's similar to what occured back in 03, 04 and the beginning of 05. Yes, production will be far greater than at that time but if fuel is topping $5 a gallon and the new model is more efficient than this Gen I can see it being oversubscribed for at least 6 months or until the new plant in Miss can get wound up.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Usually when a new model comes out the initial production is pretty slow, so the 2010 Prius will probably be in short supply for several months after it debuts and may have a backlog of people who pre-ordered to be the first to buy the new design.
    If there are issues with the new technology, production may slow even further.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    What new technology would that be? The 2010 Prius is supposed to have the same kind of technology as the current Prius, but with an ICE derived from the Corolla's 1.8L engine. The new battery technology comes later. At least that is what I've read.

    Initial supply will probably depend on how fast the U.S. plant can ramp up.
  • coupedncalcoupedncal Posts: 252
    The new plant in Mississippi is not expected to come live until late 2010. My belief is most 2010 cars will be assembled in Japan (or China??) and 2011 model year is when US production will kick in. It will be interesting to see differences in manufacturing quality between their plants.
  • fookahnfookahn Posts: 3
    Dealer just called, says early to mid August, come and get it!. Had my money down for 2 months. Can't wait. Dealer has put me in line for 2010 ($500.00), I will trade 2009 and expect that people hoping for good mileage will line up for the used prius. Many people out there looking for anything that has mileage. I see old Prius's selling for high dollars. If gas keeps going up I will make a profit, Gas goes down, then I keep 2009. Regardless of hybrid, Toyota holds value, hybrid & Toyota holds value better.

    Want plug in, will sell 2009 for the plug. I am on ComEd real time pricing program. Charge different rate per hour, some days 4 hours free power, no charge at all. plug in at night, yeah. electric bill down to 48.00 a month. go to www.thewattspot.com.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    For those of you who are going to wait for 2010 redesigned Prius, you might as well look at the 2010 Honda Insight also. It is like a Prius clone for less money.
    It should start in the $19-20K range.

    http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/may2008/insight-10.jpg

    http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Vehiclefit/insight-12.jpg

    At least there will be good competition when both these new models come out during the same year.
  • lotusfanlotusfan Posts: 9
    Yes, a new Honda hybrid, or from other makers that might get to the market by then is another reason to wait to pull the trigger.

    But I have to say that buying one now and then selling it and buying a year alter might also be a goo strategy provided we are convinced that resales prices will remain high, such that you biggest cost of swapping models is an extra couple thousand dollars of sales tax from buying twice.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I think Honda has a big winner here with their own Prius.

    However it's clearly intended for the budget buyer who doesn't want to put up $23000 ( HCH ) or $25000+ ( Prius ). From the pics shown it's probably Fit-sized with a few basic amenities. It is afterall a $17000 vehicle with a $2000 hybrid option. It probably doesn't compare to either the HCH or the Prius in ride, amenities or options.

    It will probably be better than both the HCH and the Prius in fuel economy though. I'd esimate ~60 mpg on average. However in I believe that we will soon see a Prius sedan ( Toyo's HCH knockoff ) which will be smaller, more basic and more fuel efficient than either the HCH or the Prius ( a Yaris-sized hybrid sedan? ). I'd guess we will see 60-65 mpg on average for this baby Prius also.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It doesn't look smaller than the Prius in the pictures.
    The styling looks like a Prius, but Honda says they were emulating the styling of their new FCX Clarity. The front grill will look like a FCX.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The back end is smaller than the Prius. I'll wager that the seating inside is smaller as well.
  • lotusfanlotusfan Posts: 9
    Actually I saw a spy picture somewhere on the web of the Honda side by side with a Prius and they looked nearly identical in size (not to mention very close in shape). From what I've read it is supposed to be Prius-sized. There have been rumors, however, of another Fit-based hybrid. (That would make 4 potential; Honda hybrids, the Insight, the Civic, the Fit hybrid, and the CR-Z).
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    I'm also very interested in the new Honda Hybrid. I bought my current Civic over the Prius because of the uncomfortable and barely adjustable seats in the Prius.
    Does the Honda Hybrid have it's own forum yet?
    I will consider the new 2010 MY Prius when it comes out but no question I will compare it to all the other cars hybrid and otherwise that are available at that time.
    Toyota has ticked people off with minimum $1,000 deposits for waiting lists. Dealers have a right but when they have plenty of cars people will remember how they were treated, no matter the brand.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Huh?

    $500 - $1500 deposits have been de rigueur on specially-ordered vehicles ever since I began in this business. Since you don't have one and presumably are not interested in a current one I find it curious that you'd make such an issue of it based on what are second-hand reports at best.

    BTW this concerns not only the current Prius but the current Corolla, last year's Tundra when it debuted, the 07 Camry before that, the 04-06 Prius' before that, the 04 Sienna before that. It was also de rigueur on the SSR's when they first arrived, the new Corvettes, the first Silverado's, the Hybrid Tahoe's, the first of the new Civics,etc, etc, etc.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    $500 - $1500 deposits have been de rigueur on specially-ordered vehicles ever since I began in this business. Since you don't have one and presumably are not interested in a current one I find it curious that you'd make such an issue of it based on what are second-hand reports at best.

    What's second hand? I went to the dealer, my wife wanted to get a Prius a couple of months ago. Not a chance, they need $1,000 down and then they Match an incoming car to your needs and sell it to you. The $1,000 merely gets you in line.
    So that's NOT a special order and a few months before that I could have easily bought the car below invoice. Dealers tend to do things like this which is why on the top 10 list of untrustworthy professions Car dealers are near the top.
  • lotusfanlotusfan Posts: 9
    Where are you guys located that you have such short supply? I think I posted this before, but I get regular e-mails from dealers in the area (Northern Virginia) about Priuses they have to sell me -- no waiting lists, no deposits. Just a few days ago, a dealer said they had 19 Priuses in stock.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Again what's the problem. This $500-$1500 deposit process it the same for all vehicles. Why does it irk you so much about the Prius? I currently have two Corolla's 'ordered' for delivery at the end of the month where the buyers wanted to place their orders at the end of June. We also have Yaris' on order with $500 deposits and Prius' on order with $1000 deposits.

    Ahhh, in your 2nd paragraph you tipped your hand as to the real reason for your dissatisfaction. You missed out on buying in the early part of the year when there was plenty of supply and Prius' were being sold for a discount off MSRP. Then fuel went to $3.50 and then above $4.00 and even up to $5.00 and the entire population of NA went to its local Toyota strore and said "I'll take a Prius now"...and then they were all gone. You were in this rush and you missed out on the discounts in the early part of the year. Timing is everything. Relax, it's just supply and demand and the market operating efficiently. The market is supplying those who are willing to pay a certain price and it's not supplying those who want a lower price.

    At some time in the future it will balance out again....assuming fuel doesn't get stupid.

    And yes dealers do these things. It's called Capitalism. It's called a market-based economy. It's not at all questionable. Simply put you weren't quick enough this year and you lost out on the better buy. It happens every day all across the world.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Where are you guys located that you have such short supply? I think I posted this before, but I get regular e-mails from dealers in the area (Northern Virginia) about Priuses they have to sell me -- no waiting lists, no deposits. Just a few days ago, a dealer said they had 19 Priuses in stock.

    We are up in New Hampshire and they are all sold out and claim 6 months before they get any new stock in even if you are on their waiting list.
    Every other car you see up here lately is a Prius. It's like the Ford Pinto/VW Bug of the new Millennium. I can't drive anywhere up here without seeing half a dozen of them.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Careful of the wording.

    His email might have said 'available' not 'in stock'. It's highly unlikely that any dealer in the US has any 'in stock' except a few isolated ones where an 'orderer' might have backed out, certainly not in NoVa. Laurel Toyota CARMAX is the largest Toyota dealer on the EC and I believe it's No 2 in the country.
    http://www.carmax.com/enUS/locations/Maryland-Both-Laurel-Toyota-7806.html
    It has ZERO Prius' new or used in stock.

    Now some stores may have 20 or more 2008s in stock right now today.....but these are all fleet turn-ins from Hertz or Enterprise or off-lease vehicles, all purchased at auction. For example our Richmond store had 27 of these 10 days ago.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Just as a point of reference the higher population areas are getting more. We've had 70 new units available to us from July 15th through Aug 10th. All of them found owners well before they arrived. Every one of them was fixed with a $500-$1000 deposit and was sold at MSRP.

    There are roughly another 10+ buyers who are waiting for a specific package/color/interior so they've just continued to bump themselves down the list until their specific combo arrives.

    OTOH a goodly number of buyers have had to wait less than 3 weeks. But again this is just a characteristic of supply and demand. The biggest supply goes to where the biggest demand is.
  • toyotakentoyotaken Posts: 897
    As per a news article that I had forwarded to me this morning, Toyota announced that there will be an increase in MSRP of $500 on the 2009 Prius vs. the 2008 models. There was no information leading to a re-design for the 2009 model, so it appears that they will be holding off on the re-design for the 2010 model at this point.

    Ken
  • lotusfanlotusfan Posts: 9
    You wrote, "His email might have said 'available' not 'in stock'."

    The e-mails I get definitely say "in stock".
  • sbell4sbell4 Posts: 446
    The e-mails I get definitely say "in stock".

    yeah, well I also have eight (8) 2008 Toyota Prius in stock.....and they are off-lease vehicles. I agree with kdhspyder, they are not new and untitled.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Just as a point of reference the higher population areas are getting more. We've had 70 new units available to us from July 15th through Aug 10th. All of them found owners well before they arrived. Every one of them was fixed with a $500-$1000 deposit and was sold at MSRP.

    Hey at least you are selling them at MSRP and not above. That is something. Too many dealers overcharge. Personally I will not tie up $1,000 unless the dealer is giving me interest on the money. I'm currently getting 4.76%. The dealer says 3-6 months. No thanks, but for the people who can't wait the dealers are there for them.
    I will wait until the panic dies down and probably buy the Honda Hybrid if it's as good as it looks. Toyota put me off a bit and I'll still give them a chance but it'll come down to money. Cash buyers like myself are very fussy about the money since it's out of pocket.
    So far the fuel is dropping a bit over here so that might tame the feeding frenzy a bit.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I think that you'll find that the new [Honda hybrid, Insight, Hindsight, Honda Prius] will be a very basic vehicle somewhat below a Civic. The Fit is a good comparison point.

    The pricing almost dictates it. At $19000 including a $2000 hybrid option the base vehicle would sell @ ~$17000. That's about the price of a base, base 5 spd Civic or Corolla with rollup windows. This is a good thing for that buying segment but it has very little appeal at all to the current buying segments for the HCH and the Prius.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    I think that you'll find that the new [Honda hybrid, Insight, Hindsight, Honda Prius] will be a very basic vehicle somewhat below a Civic. The Fit is a good comparison point.

    That's cheaper than a Prius but I have driven more than a few Prius's and they lack a telescoping steering wheel, seat height adjustment etc....
    I expect that the Honda version will probably have the trim level of a Civic LX.
    But Honda like Toyota is keeping as quiet as possible about details like options and pricing.
    Toyota is the front runner, but I will be interested to see how Honda competes. One thing is for certain, Buyers will have more than the Prius to go to if the new Honda proves out. Honda certainly wants a big slice of the hybrid market. The Fit is somewhat underpowered especially with the automatic. My friend owned a Jazz and I drove that a lot when I was visiting him. I fully expect that the newer Honda Hybrid will not be as underpowered as the Fit. The Prius is no speed demon, but it's acceptable, considering the fuel economy.
  • beantownbeantown Posts: 228
    tiff c:

    You're in NH. Why don't you drive down an hour or two to Boch Toyota on route one in MA? They have 10 new priuses IN STOCK and on their lot today. They also have 3 used on the lot today. I always love it when people in other regions speak as if they have knowledge of what other regions have access to from week to week, when obviously they are just guessing based off what they have.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    You're in NH. Why don't you drive down an hour or two to Boch Toyota on route one in MA? They have 10 new priuses IN STOCK and on their lot today. They also have 3 used on the lot today. I always love it when people in other regions speak as if they have knowledge of what other regions have access to from week to week, when obviously they are just guessing based off what they have.

    Thanks, it's a bit further than 2 hours but I will call them on the phone tomorrow and see what they have to say. I'd hate to drive there to find out they have no actual stock. The Toyota dealer told me they had stock and when I went there the truth was they had no Prius at all. I spoke with their Internet sales manager. They sure tried the bait and switch on me tho.
  • waverunrwaverunr Posts: 2
    I did not like that either. Shame on you BOCH! . I have a deposit on one at Boch and have been waiting for weeks . I am suprised that BOCH needs to sell this way.
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