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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • Well if my choices were limited, out of these 2 I will still pick Avalon. In my opinion Taurus is VW Passat on steroids who was taking them in 500 form and only begun working out as Taurus. Avalon has far more superior engine with better FE.
    Taurus was designed for slightly younger crowd than Avalon.
    If my only choices were Azera, Taurus or 3.5l 300 that would have been a tough pick.
    Taurus in 3.5 form I would wait at least a year before getting a new car. There are possibly will be many issues with 1st year model.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    after bad winter storms I see far more 4WD and AWD cars and trucks in the ditch than FWD or RWD
    sure you do and I would wager that Allstate knows this too. Having the 4WD or AWD makes some drivers stupid and feel impervious to gross driving errors. They will drive too fast because systems like this can allow them to do this with a sense of greater security - so then they drive even faster when in fact all the drive wheels in the world won't help them on that black ice ahead. Maybe it would be better if these systems didn't 'help' in this manner and properly trained drivers could gauge reasonable and safe speeds by simply finding that point at which the car gets a little 'loose', the way it was in the old days. I think there is still a widely held perception that stability control systems improve handling, not the case - also can be responsible for the same sort of driver behaviors. I believe there is no doubt that those of us that grew up in snow country driving those nose heavy overrpowered RWD sedans of the 60s and 70s are generally 'better (more capable)' drivers than our children. There do seem to be some disadvantages to having computers doing some of the driving for us...
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    don't know that the DT 3.5 will necessarily suffer from those usual 1st year 'Detroit' problems simply because despite Ford's protestations IMO it is not a truly new engine neither certainly is the rest of the car. Don't know about this 'younger crowd' thing either,the Taurus is every bit as soft as any 'luxury' trim Avalon and not nearly as tightened up as the Avalon Touring and certainly much slower in any case. The Azera is pretty much the same way - very soft -a better Buick with a bit more spunk, if you will.
    Something of generally better appeal to the 20 and 30 somethings? try the Altima/Maxima SEs.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Hey.... I'm 29 and on Avalon #2. I guess I am the exception to the rule!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • Dale Jarrett Ford near Charlotte NC is advertising new 2008 Taurus's at $4000 off MSRP. They have over 70 in stock.
  • What did people do before we had 4wheel drive or front wheel drive?

    Your kidding right?? They wrecked or went in the ditch more.


    How the heck does AWD prevent you from going into a ditch? AWD helps you move in snow, not stop. D stands for drive not brake, all cars have AWB (all wheel brakes)

    What did people do before AWD? They used snow tires, which is the most important safety feature on any car in snow.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    I didn't think there were rules when all it takes is a test drive and a little research to discover the truth. ;) As I have said before, the 05+ Avalon is such a different kind of ride that I believe Toyota may be selling even more of them (initially sales almost quadrupled) with a different name.
    For those of us that do know better, let the masses wallow in their ignorance! :D
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    and sandbags in the trunk and a tad more 'ability' in those kind of conditions.....
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    this is bad news for Taurus owners and Ford....
  • Negative. I've looked at both avalon and Taurus studiously and in my opinion the new Taurus, which really isn't a Taurus beats it by a long shot. Take it from someone who took a full year of test driving and researching all large sedans.

    I'm glad I waited for the 2008 Ford Taur500.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Dale Jarrett is still selling Fords? Isn't that his ride now is a Camry? I suppose he's going to start selling Toyotas soon huh?

    :P
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Hate to say this but...

    If money is a concern, go with the Taurus, probably the best bang for the buck in the large sedan category.

    If money is not too much of a concern then Avalon all the way. Higher power engine (can't beat the 2GR), better fit and finish inside are worth the premium IMO.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    "I didn't think there were rules when all it takes is a test drive"

    The difference between the '00+ and '05+ is really night and day. The only thing (IMO) not improved on the car is the seats, which were better in the previous generation. I am seeing more and more Av's in my neck of the woods.. maybe the secret is out!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    "and in my opinion the new Taurus, which really isn't a Taurus beats it by a long shot"

    Tell us why. I seriously considered the 500 and aside from the engine (which was the biggest problem) and additional sound insulation the Taurus is very much a 500. The Avalon is quicker, gets equal or better FE, has a fantastic reliability record and resale. Not to mention it is available with almost all the "toys". "Bold" statement to make considering the competition here. I actually put the Taurus 4th in the group here: Av, Azera, Lucerne (V8 only) then the Taurus. Not saying its not the right car for you, just curious why you say beats it hands down. Having a bigger trunk, and AWD available doesn't make it a winner in my book.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • Well, all I've done is look at this car (Taurus) with my grandmother, and I must say, the high seating position and excellent room is really a plus (the interior is HUGE). The MPG for the Avalon is 19/28, Taurus is 18/28 so that's a wash. Horsepower and torque also seems a wash (268/248 vs. 263/249 for the Ford (torque peaks a little sooner in the Taurus)).

    Yes, the Avalon has a lot more toys, but it also costs a lot more coin. If you get past the toys that are available and just talk about the CAR, the Taurus is a viable competitior, especially at its bargain price.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I wouldn't call the 20HP difference a "wash".
  • What 20 horsepower? :confuse:

    I see only 5 horsepower difference, and that is a wash! :surprise:

    :)
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Never said the Taurus wasn't a viable competitor. I like the car, however IMO it is not top of this group. It's already being discounted heavily what is that telling you?

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    That is Fords history murdering Fords future.

    The customers are so accustomed to buying with rebates that they do not feel like buying till they see the rebate signs up!

    fyi...I own couple of retail stores and my sales folks face the same anguish everyday.
  • If you want Avalon power and features at a Taurus price, get the Azera, best of both worlds.
  • Me neither, but the Avalon has 268hp, the Taurus has 263hp. 5 horsepower. I would call THAT a wash, since you can't really feel a difference.

    The Taurus has 1 lb-ft more of torque available at 200RPM lower than the Toyota too; also a wash.
  • I would. I'm not the one in the market though, that would be my grandmother, and at 72 years old, she wouldn't dream of buying a Hyundai. She has driven Honda since '91, and before that, she had Fords; from a Fairlane to a Torino to a Granada, all the way to a 1984 LTD (the one based on the Fairmont). She always got good service out of her Fords (LOVED her LTD), and her Hondas too.

    She'll likely have it down to another Accord (2008) or a Taurus in the near future, but she wants to drive a Civic too (I know - RANDOM, but she loved her '91 Civic until it was totaled).
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    and IF it is $6K cheaper now it will likely be worth at least that much less when you likely want to drive something else - as with many other things you tend to get what you pay for - now and later!
    And your option comparison is a joke(as specific option comparisons often are), the Avalon (some Maximas are the same) doesn't split (or fold down) the rear seats because they recline (take your choice), keyless entry pad - how about an even more ridiculous way to get even wetter in a good rainstorm, adjustable pedals and DVD players - why so you can be doing something you shouldn't - just before you hit the bridge abutment. Ever driven a car with a good set of HID headlights? Now these would be useful!
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I just looked at Ford.com just for the heck of it and there is already $1500 worth of rebates (in my area). Unbelievable, its a new '08 model and we aren't even out of Sept yet! I predicted this in post #3170 but didn't expect it to be this soon.

    P.s. The keyless entry pad is great if you don't want to carry your keys. I had it on my Ford's and did like it.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • Um, the cars with the keypad also have keyless entry...

    It's better to say that its a unique feature to prevent locking your keys in your car (or to allow you to do so). It has regular keyless entry as well; don't forget that fact as everyone else seems to...
  • Adjustable pedals allow a vertically challenged person, i.e., short females, to adjust their seat further away from the steering wheel so they don't get whacked so hard if the airbag deploys. IMO, an very useful option if you fall in that category.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    the thought of leaving my set of keys in the car never occurred to me and never did on a 92 Maxima( and an Aerostar) I owned. Maybe force of habit and a fear of getting them stolen? So as a result keypads were never used and tended to delay car entry at those very infrequent times I wanted in but didn't have my fob. Old tech however dating back into the 80s that I have always thought was only still appearing on Ford products because this is something they can do and they had left over inventory. kinda like the fad with digital dashes (the Aerostar and Probe I also owned faded over time and became invisible in daylight. One other thing I've noticed is that Ford seems reticient to give upon those ugly green leds especially on secondary controls, the backlighted white (and orange) dash gauges in Toyota/lexus ( and Nissan/Infiniti) products seem far superior to me egronomically - didn't like the red/white and blue in the TL though, while clear and legigble reminded me of a pinball machine and out of character for a car of that stature.
  • Avalon has better fuel economy than the new Taurus?? Most likely, but after driving a 2008 Taurus over 1,400 miles with a 75% highway and 25% city combination, I would say 28.8MPG average is not too shabby for the 3.5L DOHC V6. Before you slam the new Taurus, I would suggest some serious seat time in the car. This new engine has got some serious horsepower and torque, and the new GM/Ford-designed 6-speed automatic is seamless.
  • Completely agree. The new Taurus is NOTHING like the 500. It's sooooooo much improved.
  • The new Taurus is NOTHING like the 500.

    Except for the exterior. And the interior... :P

    Improved, yes, but it is still much the same car as the 500 (that's not a terrible thing).
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