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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Well...based on the numbers you posted, the torque advantage goes to the Charger. Which is why I say it might jump off the line faster than the Azera, but it won't take much for the Azera to catch it once they are rolling. The Charger has advantages which would help it off the line...a tighter suspension tuned for athletic moves such as launching off the line, and depending on which model you get...it either has RWD or AWD. Coupled with the torque...I see it getting off the line faster, however...I could be wrong though.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Shoot, I have the numbers BACKWARDS in post 3665. :sick: :cry:

    It should be 15.3lbs of CAR per lb-ft of torque for the Charger, with 14.1 lbs of car per lb-ft of torque for the Azera.

    I can't go back and edit it now, but the Azera has MORE TORQUE and LESS WEIGHT then the Charger. All of the figures are right except my own misprint of lbs per lb-ft.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    That's exactly what you put.

    You mean the Azera should have 15.5 lbs/ft and the Charger should be 14.1 lbs/ft for torque, right?

    At any rate, the softer suspension would keep the Azera from really getting off the line like it could with a more athletic suspension. Not to mention the RWD is an advantage for the Charger too.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    No, the Azera has 14.1 pounds of car to pull with each lb-ft of torque, the Charger has over 15 pounds to push around per lb-ft of torque the engine makes.

    If the Azera had 14lb-ft of torque per pound of car it would have tens of thousands of lb-feet of torque! :)

    Ya see what I mean now?

    The Azera has less weight for its torque, while the Charger has more weight to pull around relative to its torque. The Azera has more toruqe and less weight.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I see what you're saying, but I still think there are other variables invloved too. Again, like the RWD or AWD (depending on the model) as well as the suspension. Only true way to find out is to put both on an actual line and see what happens! ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    That's the truth. My point about my numbers was that I put them backwards! Gearing, tires, and launch methods will determine the drag-race winner (you know, since we all go out and drag race our family cars!).
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Well...to some high output means high output and there is just no possible way it can be beat by a V-6 that isn't a high output engine.
  • If the Charger is AWD, and I suspect it is due to the 5 speed transmission, any advantage in traction would be more than offset by the extra 200 or so pounds of the AWD option.
    I doubt, too, that the rear wheel drive version smokes its tires very far, if at all. Actually, a little tire slippage can be beneficial in getting the engine up into the powerband - and that 3.5 HO would need that aid due to lack of VVT, which gives the Azera a wider powerband.
    My Cobra has about equal HP per liter output ( about 70HP/liter ) and so is in about the same stage of tune for a 4 valve motor without VVT as the 3.5 HO in the Charger. My 4.6L V8 doesn't really come on boil until nearly 4000 RPM.
  • 2005 Nissan Maxima
    3432/252= 13.6
  • xtecxtec Posts: 354
    You are one of the people who put down other people cars as well as louiswei message 3575.If that isnt bashing I dont what is.The original Chargers came with six cyl.,with most having the 318.for louiswei to make that statement about a Charger being worthless with a V6,proves you people don't know to much about Mopars.If I wanted to buy a car to go 0 to 60,I wouldn't have bought my SXT,and bought a R/T.I didn't realize someone changed this board to be fastest cars 0 to 60.All I know when I drive My car its because I like it and don't care if anyone here likes it or not.I do know I have the car with the best balance,ride then the Azera could ever have,with their failed front suspension,I wouldn't buy the Azera if it was the last car made.Hyundai has a long way to go before it builds a car without so many problems,just read the Azera forums,and find out the Azera has a ways to go.Like I said you people bore me,and move on and discuss cars other then Charger and Azera.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Hey, to say that the V6 Charger is worthless is totally IN MY OPINION and if you don't agree with it, fine, express your opinions and move on. And let's be real here, in my post I didn't just say it is worthless without explanation. I stated my case and if that's different than your view, tough, because last I checked this is still a free country and we still have the freedom of speech.

    If you don't care about other people like your cars or not then why are you here yapping constantly? You are totally contradicting yourself from the very beginning. Actually sir, people here have already moved on to other topics but unfortunately due to your post now the Charger vs. Azera is back.

    Also, maybe you should check out your post too because every single one of those sounds like an Azera bash to me. You should seriously think about that before complaining about all the Charger bashing. Just remember that when you point a finger at somebody, there are 3 pointing back at you.

    Unbelievable!!!
  • You people are all crazy :) All I have to say is I love my Charger! I probably would love all the others here too. Its so big and comfortable and also handles well. It is a little slow off the line but I don't mind because its so relaxing to drive and it has tons of power on the highway. (Its the SE with 3.5L engine.) I noticed in the specs that this engine has the tallest final drive ratio of any charger so its not set up for "charging" anyway. :blush:
  • bobber1bobber1 Posts: 217
    I think you guys crazy still arguing about the Charger vs Hyundai yet. This has been going on for days.....Give it a break.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    "I noticed in the specs that this engine has the tallest final drive ratio of any charger"

    Two words... Fuel Economy. Just like the Buick Lucerne 3800 insanely tall top gear to squeeze out every last MPG.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • dborthdborth Posts: 474
    re: 3679: I think you guys crazy still arguing about the Charger vs Hyundai yet. This has been going on for days.....Give it a break.

    I agree, enough is enough. I am amazed one of the referee "hosts" hasn't stepped up to put a halt to this.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    What, you're amazed the host hasn't stepped in to break up comparing cars in the **gasp** comparison thread?

    ???

    I keep trying to introduce new topics, such as where the Taurus fits into all of these vehicles, and looking for reports from people who drive them. We keep coming back to Hyundai and Charger.
  • Tall final drive ratios do not necessarily mean the vehicle is geared tall overall. You must multiply the final drive ratio by the top gear ratio to get to overall gearing.
    If the Charger final drive of 3.07 is coupled with a top gear of .8, for example, that's the same as a final drive of 3.66 with a top gear of .67.
    Tire diameter is also a factor - taller tires having the effect of taller gearing.
    How many RPMs is the Charger turning at a 70 MPH cruise, that's the question.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Point out one time that I've put down another car! The only thing I've said is that American V-6's aren't worth the metal they are made out of (currently). I've also said that it's sad that it takes an American V-8 to compete with foreign V-6's (performance-wise).

    Let's see...I've said the Avalon is a great car, just that it was too pricey for me.

    I've said the 500 (at the time I was looking) was very roomy (cavernous even), but the interior seemed to clinical and uninviting to me. I also knocked it's totally lethargic V-6 (worse than it's current offering).

    The Impala...the only thing I can and have said about it...it's a cop car. There's nothing inspiring about it...inside or outside.

    The Maxima...if you're looking for an athletic car, very well appointed...this is the one. However, one should expect a harder ride than most of the other cars in this segment. Only drawback on the current Maxima is the Altima. Why would you want the Max when you can get pretty much the same amount of car and more horse power for the same amount of money? Now Alexstore and I had a debate as to whether or not his '05 Max would dust my '06 Azera, but there was no bashing going on...just a throwing around of facts and personal feeling.

    The Lucerne...very stylish car, very roomy, well appointed...only knock...weak V-6 and didn't want the V-8.

    The 300...let's see, the American Camry...everyone has one. Not wild about the high windows which creates a lot of blind spots. Also, another "clinical" interior. My mother-in-law has one and after driving it...I was not impressed with it.

    The Charger...a very aggressive move by Dodge style-wise. Great potential for tunability. However...as with the rest of the American entries...weak V-6's. I'm not saying they're terrible, just that they could be better.

    I've stated all the reasons I liked/disliked all the cars, but I also stated why I didn't purchase any of them and ended up getting the Azera I'm driving today. So please, I implore you to point out when I've ever BASHED someone's vehicle. The only thing I've done is point out facts and state my opinions based on those facts. You on the other hand...well, you're in your own little world believing what you want to believe. Since nobody agrees with you in how you feel about your Charger, then we are attacking you and bashing your car. No my friend, neither is the case. What was being attacked was your contradictory statments and what was being pointed out was mere facts that you just don't want to accept as truth.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    the host is going to step in and say this: we're getting too personal. Please stop posting about each other and keep your comments on the cars.

    Thank you.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I didn't see your post before I posted.

    We're going to drop the "who said what when" now because all that does is perpetuate the focus on each other.

    Enough.
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