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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Puh-leeeze!!! The gimmick here is to get buyers into new cars, not the used ones. If the warranty was fully transferrable as you wish, then the masses would wait a year and buy the car used, reaping the benefit of initial de-value AND maintaining the warranty. Heck, Mopar isn't even that crazy...the unlimited powertrain warranty is only good for the orginal owner.

    Even though Hyundai's 10yr/100K isn't transferrable, the next owner still gets the 5yr/50K warranty...which is still better than some new car warranties.

    Eventually...Toyota and Honda will jump on board because the new thing is taking the worry of having to spend money on a major repair at some point down the road. Let the buyer just concentrate on paying the car note and leave the rest to them. Watch, you'll see.
  • jimmy2xjimmy2x Posts: 124
    The V6 Lucerne is a good deal slower than my 4-cyl Accord. It is adequate for day-to-day driving, but it wouldn't be the ideal car for passing a truck on a two-lane.

    Well, for one thing CX/CXL the Lucerne is at least 500# heavier and is more of a full size vehicle. If I were to buy a Lucerne it would be the CXS with the Northstar V8, but that's just me. FWIW, I drove a Bonneville with the 3800 for several years as a salesman. Heavy city traffic along with banging up and down the Jersey turnpike, GS parkway and similar roads with lots of nutty high speed traffic. While the Bonneville was never a "Boy-Racer" it certainly had enough grunt (not especially polished) when I needed it. Would have to ask how many people who constantly harp on that old engine have actually driven it.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    It's not really about not needing them. In all honesty...it shows a company is willing to put their money where their mouth is.
    A convenient (and rather amusing) spin - the fact is that all these mfgrs. that offer these rather ridiculous warranties (of questionable value) only do so to sell cars and universally have had perceived or actual quality problems in the past. Do you really think that BMW, for example, goes so far as to even cover scheduled maintanence - because they want to OR that just possibly BMW realized they were losing sales because the consumer (rightfully) thought them to be troublesome and expensive to repair? Or Chrysler goes 'unlimited' because their cars are so good, that they have faith that the Charger, for example, won't have any major problems at 10 years and say 300k? Give me a break - they all do it to temper buyer concerns about quality. Spin it whatever way you wish but it sure would be interesting to see how many cars Hyundai sold if they didn't have that warranty. Last time I checked Toyota, Honda, and even Nissan were not having too many problems selling cars, when and if they ever do, it will be because those brands have lost their luster and I'm sure they may resort to longer warranties. IOf anything, a long warranty is more indicative of suspect quality NOT high quality.
    When BTW do you think that Toyota, Honda and Nissan changed any warranty policies, which have been 3/36- 5/60 for many many years. Those three only constitute maybe 90% of the cars sold - I guess they don't qualify as 'everybody'? And yep, if VW beat Hyundai to the warranty punch that would also be to relieve (some justified) buyer concerns. Sound familiar? 'Putting their money where their mouth is' indeed - only because they HAVE TO.
  • In this case everyone is doing it on their used cars. Would would you buy someone elses problem. In CPO you have no Idea who was previous owner and what was his/her driving style.

    I guess there is no satisfying you. You complained that Hyundai's warranty wasn't transferable. I pointed out that under the CPO program it is. Then you complain about buying other people's problems, a position I hope you would fairly apply to all used/pre-owned vehicles, not just Hyundai. What do you actually want Hyundai to do? :confuse:
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    If I were to buy a Lucerne it would be the CXS with the Northstar V8
    as I think many of us would if gas prices were lower - the point is -why should we have to? - just put a 'competitive' V6 in the thing in the first place - not something that is 50 years old - its not like the 'right' engine doesn't exist or even that Buick doesn't make some good use of it in other models. If labor contracts are forcing GM to keep the plant running, do what Ford did - buy out the employees and open another plant in China, Canada or Mexico. It may not be real good for our economy, but at least we'll see better cars!
    BTW, somehow I just can't imagine anybody that hasn't had the 'pleasure' of driving a GM sedan without the ubiqitous 3.8 - it's been around that long - and always has offered right at about 200 hp except for those forays into force feeding the poor thing.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    My wife has an 07 Grand Prix as a company car (aren't we so lucky!). The 3.8 is fine until you sample a real a v6. Then you notice the 3.8 sounds like you stuck a fork in the garbage disposal. It has plenty of off idle torque to move grandpa around town, but once on the highway it's a dog. It's an OK engine in a $20k base GP, but it is a joke for something that is suppose to be a premium vehicle a.k.a Lucerne.

    As for long warranty periods, they are simply a marketing tool. Nothing else. If GM was in Toyota's shoes, I doubt, you'd see a 100k warranty. A transferable lifetime warranty would be suicide.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I understand the spin you're putting on it, but think about it...if the cars weren't really that good...they would lose money on the deal of simply offering the warranty to begin with.

    You know...I would rather have a company show me that they are willing to stand behind it rather than deal with the hassles of a company that is supposed to produce such a wonderful product hassle a customer when it's brought in with a problem.
  • Perhaps, but it's not a gimmick for the original owner, it's an excellent deal. As one who typically keeps a car for a minimum of 10 to 12 years, it's an excellent warranty. Moreover, Hyundai has a complete chapter dedicated to Owner Self-Performed maintenance within the Owner's Manual which is absolutely perfect for someone like myself. Document your self-performed preventive maintenance (easy to do, as Hyundai has a website specifically for this for owners), keep the receipts, and the warranty is fully valid and supported. No gimmicks here, just real value.

    My local Hyundai dealer is wonderful, and treats me with respect, as they know my mechanical aptitude. I think some here truly underestimate Hyundai, as I am also a current Honda (2005 Accord) and Toyota (2007 Camry) owner. Oh, and what hassles?? I've never been hassled once by Hyundai or the dealer - not so with Honda and Toyota. You don't even want to hear what I've been through with the 2007 Camry. Unless you've owned or currently own a Hyundai, you really don't have a basis for bashing the company.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I couldve sworn the Lucerne was on the W platform... my mistake. My point still stands though.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    so therefore, that Chrysler product is so good that the mfgr. really believes it is going to last - forever! No, they know have to do something to improve sales, long warranties is an effective way to combat quality concerns AND they realize that most buyers won't keep the car long enough to use any such warranty (or put enough fine print in it so they can refuse to honor it). And sure, all mfgrs. are going to lose money by offering long warranties, but what choice to they have - unless, of course they don't want to sell the car in the first place?
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    I doubt it would be hard to modify the more modern engines to E85, though.
    Exactly, a s/s gas tank and changed out fuel system pieces hoses, gaskets etc.), slighty modified engine computers. 2 things that not too many people know - the Ford Model T was one of the first 'flex fuel' vehicles - that way so farmers could 'brew' their own fuel at a time when we didn't have a gas station on every corner, and our erstwhile government in its PC effort to encourage E85 development only counts the 15% dino fuel consumed in FE calculations leaving us with things like 35 mpg pick up trucks and 50mpg sedans as least as far as CAFE is concerned - the opposite being true of course - that 15mpg truck might get closer to 10 mpg on E85, which actually costs about 50 cents/gallon more than regular after you consider that subsidy that we all pay for. It's a crock like many of those other things that our politicians know nothing about... ;)
  • In my opinion:
    The fact of the matter re automotive warrantee is: regardless of the manufacturer or whoever, almost every engine made today will far exceed any of the "limits" placed on them. They will, with care, all pass more than 150,000 mi without any major problems so all of the "imaginations" involved are rather moot. The wool has been pulled over the eyes of the public for so long, that we all expect more for nothing. Take whatever you have, care for it..and the chances are you will be able to "run the wheels off it", and it will generally last longer than 10-20 yrs. Of course, if you don't care for it, then you know what the results are going to be. We may discuss all sorts of why's and how's but we will never fully understand the totality of the matter, so have share info and ideas, but don't go "bananas" if someone disagrees. (Not to anyone in particular)
    van
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    No captain...it is so good that they are willing to stand behind it as long as the orginal owner keeps it. In most cases...Mopar is counting on the car being traded or sold after 3-5 years, so the number of cars they'll have to back due to orginal owners holding on to them will be small.

    The extended warranty does two things...it creates peace of mind in the buyer and it forces the manufacturer to step up and create a quality product to avoid losing the shirts of their backs.

    Come on Captain, I know you really want to believe it's a gimmick, but it does have substance behind it as well. Just because Toyota & Honda don't offer them...it has to be a gimmick. If they started offering long warranties, would you still think it to be a gimmick? It's just like homeowner's insurance...you may never, ever..EVER need to make a claim the entire time you live in house, but it's nice to know that SHOULD an event ever come up that would require it...it's there for you, right? But I guess homeowner's insurance is a gimmick too, huh?
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    Come on Captain, I know you really want to believe it's a gimmick,
    Nope, I KNOW what many of these mfgrs. are doing in order to sell cars. The gimmick part only comes in when you also find out that these warranties, by design, are used less than you would think.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Based on the statement you just made...that would mean the car is good enough that it doesn't NEED the warranty, right?

    You just summed it up. They offer the warranty (at no extra cost to the buyer) and it's not even used as much as one would think. Why? Because the cars are better than perceived. The manufacturers know what they are doing. If their cars were that bad...they wouldn't offer anything like that because they know they would have cars coming in being repaired under warranty left and right. However...it is offered as peace of mind for the buyer. Simple as that!

    You've simply been brainwashed to believe that if the other companies don't do it like Honda & Toyota then they are inferior. Before you know it, Hyundai will be just as good as Honda & Toyota and STILL offering their warranty, so not only will they be just as good, they'll STILL be offering more. Then what can you say?
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    regardless of the manufacturer or whoever, almost every engine made today will far exceed any of the "limits" placed on them. They will, with care, all pass more than 150,000 mi
    this - I'll bite on - I agree, although the 150k may be a little long, keep in mind that at 150k most vehicles are 7-10 years old.. And lends further support to that whole 'gimmick' idea, the mfgr. won't honor that warranty if you don't do that (comply strictlyt to maintainence schedules) or if you don't happen to be the original owner of the vehicle, knowing, of course, that almost everbody that has a higher mileage vehicle is not likely the original owner.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    again you are missing the point, the length of any warranty has absolutely NOTHING to do with a vehicle's quality - in fact, the only thing that it may have anything to do with is a given mfgr's history of producing cars that haven't been so good. My God, just look at who offers these things and who doesn't!
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Well...isn't that the whole point...if you want the warranty to be validated, there is something you have to do as a consumer. I mean...they're not just gonna turn the car over to you and expect you to treat it like crap and then at the first sign of trouble, expect them to fix it free of charge.

    If anyone wants a car to last anyway, they should have some sort of maitenance schedule that they adhere to. Most warranties don't require "strict" adherances anyway...it's the servicing dealer that usually gives you the hard time. So having a good service deparment as well as having a good rapport with them further aids anyone in hassle-free warranty covered repairs.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    PS: and its not that the Toyotas/Hondas/Nissans of the world are necessarily any better built than those GM or Korean cars - it is simply that they don't NEED to placate the buyer with some sort of assurances in order to sell them.Whether they actually are built better is not the point, sales numbers tell you that the carbuyers THINK they are.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Okay Captain, you go ahead and stick with your Toyota-logic and enjoy your 3/36 5/60 warranties. I'll definitely enjoy the benefits of knowing that when I've gone past 60K miles, I STILL don't have to worry about a major repair on my Hyundai product, why...because it'll still be covered under warranty.

    Here's some logic for you. A shorter warranty is a gimmick too. Toyota & Honda figure if they keep the warranty period short, then folks will want to trade in for a newer vehicle before the warranty period is up on their current car. Around here...there's a Toyota commercial that says, "Great new cars make great used cars." There sure are a lot of used Toyotas and Hondas on the used car lots in this area. Don't get me wrong, there are quite a few folks that hold on to a Toyota or Honda, but even more would do so if they had longer warranty period. Can't be mad at their gimmick of making folks buy new ones though. I will say this, a shorter warranty is great for those that like to upgrade every few years anway...it's not even an issue.
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