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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    "Decent Sticker Price" is up for debate. Would you mind sharing how much? The reason I ask is that my folks just bought a new car with leather, Dual Climate Control, etc... as well.
  • auld_dawgauld_dawg Posts: 40
    Yeah, you might want to put "fuel economy" on both the Taurus and the Azera as pros........

    Both do as well as the 08 Accord V6 on "real world mpg" as far as highway driving goes..

    As far as EPA ratings go, the Taurus is 18/28, which is towards the top of the "midsize" class in rating, let alone the full size. The Azera for 09 is 17/26 which is also in the midsize range, though not quite up to Taurus snuff for rating, however, the "Real World MPG" thread has several folks reporting better than 30 mpg on their highway driving......
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 230
    Sticker was $30013-. I was able to get heated leather and 6 CD player in an XL. I did not want moon roof or navigation. I liked the brushed metal interior in the XL much better than the funky woodgrain, just personal preference.
  • batistabatista Posts: 159
    I have an 06 Charger SXT 3.5L and the fuel economy isn't bad.
    I usually get 18 mpg all city and 27 highway.
    Based on the new fuel economy ratings the Charger 3.5L gets 17/24 and the Impala V8 SS gets 16/24. Real world numbers are probably worst for the Impala.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Sticker was over $30k. Is that what you paid?
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 230
    I gave $14k plus trade in of 03 Honda Accord. Based on real value of the Honda at the time, I figured that I gave about $28K for the Avalon. It's difficult to figure exactly, but I felt like it was a good deal. I think the dealership was trying to meet end of the month quota.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Still pretty expensive for a low-end model, to me, considering what the competition offers similar to the Avalon for a lot less. Still, it is a very lovely vehicle that I'm sure will give you many miles of pleasure!
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 230
    "considering what the competition offers similar to the Avalon for a lot less"......I'm curious (but not prejudice), give me some examples.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Specifically, I was thinking of my parents' new car. They paid $22k Out the Door ($20,844 + TTL) for a Ford Taurus with Leather, Dual Climate Control, Auto Headlamps, 6CD, SYNC Voice Activated Media and Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, 263hp, 18/28 MPG, class leading interior room, trunk space, and a Top Pick in Safety.

    The Avalon is a really great car, but it doesn't strike me as nearly 30% better. Obviously different people have different tastes, and are willing to pay for the "Lexus without an L badge" and I understand that.

    The exterior style of the Taurus isn't looked at as beautiful by many. I find it pretty conservative and don't care too much for the chrome grill. Luckily, their new car is silver, which keeps the chrome from looking flashy or "bling-bling" looking. :) The Avalon's front-end is frumpy to me, and no better looking than the Ford. Both are great cars, and my parents' actually wanted an Avalon after driving one of their friends' Avalon Limited, but couldn't justify the extra thousands of dollars.
  • auld_dawgauld_dawg Posts: 40
    With a $2500 factory rebate right now for the remaining 08 Azeras, and a $2000 rebate for the 09s, I suspect that one could get a real good buy there too, though it looks more like 24k to 25k out the door......... At the moment, the Azera "Prices Paid" forum is a bit bare of current sales prices, but I'd suspect my price guesses are pretty close.........

    I'd have to think that at this time, the Taurus your parents got is a really good value. My thought on the Taurus and Azera is that they are roughly equivalent cars.........
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I certainly like the looks of the Azera better than the Taurus, but after pricing some cars, the local Hyundai dealers weren't moving enough on their price. The Ford dealer gave me the $22k OTD quote with no negotiations. I asked for a base, no options Taurus for $20k OTD. He had no base model Taurus SELs, but seeing as he offered a car with $2,300 more in options for $2,000 more, the deal just couldn't be passed up. The best part of it all is that the dealer was low-pressure. The salesman had been VERY patient with me (I've been talking to him for several months while my folks decided). The finance manager offered the extended warranty, and when my folks declined, that was it. No more asking about it.

    There was no trade-in to make the deal more complicated.
  • jg585jg585 Posts: 9
    I have been considering a Chrysler 300. Seats in my Lucerne too uncomfortable. Will be off warrantee soon and want to trade while it still has some value. Any idiosyncrasies about the Charger that relate to the 300?
  • batistabatista Posts: 159
    My 06 Charger has been way better than my previous car an 01 Impala so far.
    The problems I have had is a small transmission leak that is easily fixed, back window condensation during clear cold winter nights and a bit of noise during turning manuevers that most likely means the tie rods need to be replaced.
    I think you will be happy with it coming from a GM vehicle. I do recommend the Hemi if you do a lot of highway driving. The Chrysler 3.5L is much better than the GM 3.8L but not as refined as Toyotas or even GM's 3.6L.
  • alexstorealexstore Posts: 264
    Recently read in a car magazine a comparison of V8 G8 and 09 Maxima. Both cars are my favorites, but in that magazine they chose G8.
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0808_nissan_maxima_vs_pontiac_g8/- index.html
    which car would you chose?
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    This is a really tough choice...

    On one hand I really like the way the G8 GT drives and its styling looks pretty sharp for a sports sedan but the interior is a turn off. The gauges, dashes, center console and center stack aren't too shabby but the rest of the detail like headliner and door panels are pretty poorly made. Not having full power seats for both the driver and passenger is a negative in my book as well.

    On the other hand I am sure the Maxima has a much better interior in terms of quality but given its FWD setup I am sure it wouldn't handle as well as the G8 even without a test drive. Not a big fan of the exterior styling either...

    The answer to the question is: Neither.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Why not add this one to your search? Looks like it'll give you a good balance of performance, luxury and value. And let me tell you...seeing it up close in person, the Genesis is STUNNING!!!

    09 Genesis Review
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Genesis is one grill short of luxurious-looking, to me.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Between the three I'll get the Genesis...

    No Doubt About It!
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, but have you seen it up close and in person? Much more luxurious than any car in the Mainstream Large Sedan segment.

    I guess you're basing your opinion on the fact that it's a Hyundai, right?
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I have to be honest and yes, this may be Hyundai biased, but....if I had known the Genesis was in the works when I got my Azera (as much as I love my Azera), I would have held off and made my Sonata work for a couple more years. I didn't get to test drive it, but...driving up to it at the dealership gave me that feeling of anticipation. By the way...the Genesis in black is so much better looking than the burgundy or silver one. Anyway, I park my car and walk over to the Genesis to take a peek inside...it was calling to me. The interior is so inviting, it makes you want to climb in. However, by it being the only one the dealership had....they weren't about to let it go on the type of test drive I wanted. I'll be back

    I thought Hyundai did a good job when it came to the Azera in terms of creating a car with appeal and overall quality. The Genesis literally blows the Azera away. I'm sorry...seeing the Genesis online or from a distance on a rotating stand does it no justice. I have to agree with the writer of that write-up I posted the link for...by far, Hyundai has hit a home-run with the Genesis.

    Personally, I feel the Genesis combines the best attributes of the G8 and the Maxima. Would the Genesis be as athletic as the G8...not quite, but close. However, the Genesis would provide a more refined interior than the new Maxima and that's saying a lot considering the new Max is quite Infiniti-ish on the inside. I think if one were on the fence between a G8 or a Maxima...the Genesis would be the perfect combination of the two. Just my two cents.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I guess you're basing your opinion on the fact that it's a Hyundai, right?

    Whoa, I don't think I deserve to be asked that question, and I won't even honor it with a response.

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  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Either it is or isn't the basis of your opinion. How do you figure that the Genesis is a grill short of luxurious-looking??? It shares the look of a Lexus or Infiniti quite well and both of those are considered luxurious looking vehicles. The only thinking left is that since it's not of a "premium" brand that either the Germans or Japanese make...then it simply can't be a luxury-looking vehicle. Unless of course, you have another line of thinking that makes sense. I'm simply asking you to expound upon your statement, that's all.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    To me, the vertical divider between the slats, the too-wide holes between the slats, and the lack of any badging, makes the whole thing look pretty basic and lacking in strength, with plastic-looking slats. The Azera looks better to me simply because they gave it a badge, proudly displaying its identity. Out of curiousity, what are some other cars that have NO badging forward of the cabin? Certainly no luxury marque, or even mainstream large sedans displayed in this forum. In my mind, if Hyundai is proud of this product (as they should be), they should at least put their name on the face.

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    The M45 has more substantial chrome brightwork with a prominent badge:

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    Honestly, the option they DIDN'T choose would make a lot of difference in Hyundai's favor, even though it looks MUCH like an LS460.

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    Here's the car we get.

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    Motor Trend had this to say about the grill options:

    The options are these: the v-shaped horizontal-bar design, which looks very much like a South Korean-market's grille, or the more Lexus-like grille with the prominent Hyundai badge. Or neither. I vote for neither. The big-badged grille looks too anonymous; the other grille stands out for all the wrong reasons.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    To each his own. Hyundai played it safe with the selection of the grille. They left the "H" off the front and think that was the right move to make.

    Have you seen the 3 different grille options that were floating around? The one that actually made it to the car is the best of the 3. It has a very Benz-like look with enough difference to not be a Benz grille.

    However, while a grille can accent a vehicle, it does not a luxury car make. Regardless of which grille is on the car...it is in fact a luxury sedan. However, for everything the Genesis has to offer and as strong a statment it has made for it's position, there will always be detractors looking for even the slightest thing to fault the car or company for. I guess that's what happens when a car makes as big a splash as the Genesis has made thus far.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    You're just brainwashed to think that the grille must have the mark of the manufacturer. Do you see it on a Benz, do you see it on a BMW, do you see it on a Jag? No...all have plain grilles with their manufacturer's mark above the grille on the hood. Just because you do see it on a Lexus or Infiniti...does that make it the status quo? One side does, the other doesn't...which is right/wrong?

    Funny you post the Azera grille. Have you seen the same Azera grille without the "H"...looks so much better. I will actually be removing my factory grille and going with a custom one without a manufacturer's mark as well.

    By the way...have you actually SEEN the Genesis in person???

    Is this the one you would rather see???
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    Stacked up to the others...you mean to tell me that THIS doesn't have a luxury look???
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    any less than this...
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  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Have to agree with thegraduate here, if Hyundai is proud of this car (as they should be) then they should put a badge at the front end.

    Also, I am too not a fan of the waterfall grille design.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    You're just brainwashed to think that the grille must have the mark of the manufacturer. Do you see it on a Benz, do you see it on a BMW, do you see it on a Jag? No...all have plain grilles with their manufacturer's mark above the grille on the hood.

    The problem is that the US Genesis doesn't even have a badge above the grille on the hood! As matter of fact, if the 2nd half of the car is covered off no one would know this is a Hyundai!!

    The answer to your question is YES, well, at least for the Merc and Jag...

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I'd reply to allmet's post but the pics are so big I can't find the reply button.

    Simply stated, the lack of the badging, on that style of grille, leaves me with a "cheap" feeling. You don't have to agree with it; it just lacks an upscale look to me. A nice H emblem would do wonders for the otherwise anonymous design.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    The grille on the Genesis sedan looks striking in real life. I'd say, however, the winged emblem adds to the character - I believe an owner has already added the winged emblem to his new Genesis ;)

    I will try to grab some real-life photo of the Genesis sedan.

    Here is a media photo in the mean time.

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  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I hated the H emblem Hyundai USA unveiled at the Detroit auto show. Recall Hyundai unveiled two versions of the Genesis at the show to gauge which one would work better.

    In my opinion, the H made the Genesis grille look like a oversized Sonata. I am glad Hyundai USA went with the right grille choice ;)
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