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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Atrractive but BIG design flaws similar to the 2006 - 2009 Toyota Sienna's where there are too many shiny, curved surfaces that cause annoying reflections. :sick:
  • I don't know where you're getting your information regarding Jaguar's reliability ratings...but they're dated at a minimum.

    Yes Jaguar used to be known as the Mechanic's Nightmare...but that was prior to Ford.

    What Ford has done for Jaguar's quality is nothing short of a full-fledged miracle.

    Before you wrongly continue to malign this brand's quality image, I'd suggest you spend a little time 'first' reviewing Jaguar's quality ratings at JD Power.com You will find that under Ford's ownership, the quality of the vehicles has gone through the roof and has bested many far more expensive brands...more than once in the last decade.

    You're info is simply wrong based on my ownership experience of my 2003 Jag.
  • I have a very close relative who had an XKE back in the early 70's and now has an 05 or 06 Jag.....2 completely different animals.... The newer one being inferior to the first. In fact my relative has said on numerous occasions that if they had it to do over again, they never would have purchased thier new Jag ( ford ) ... Just thier opinion..... I can tell you I've driven both and their new jag dosn't have near the feel of the older jag.... That XKE was a running son of a gun not to mention could handle just about any road you threw at it... only major trouble I remember him having with it was carb calibrations.... but other than that one sweet running piece of machine.

    Roland
  • sriptonsripton Posts: 20
    I would expect any major company to respond exactly as hyundai did. It results from whackos sending them "ideas" for new cars and then litigating later saying the company "stole" their idea and asking for millions, and there are hundreds of such lawsuits filed yearly against all automakers. I don't think you should take it so seriously, and if you look at sales numbers you'll see that hyundai is already a HUGE player in the US market and hope to grow their lux business. My 2008 azera is the best car I've ever owned in 40 years, and i've owned BMW CADDY Porsche Lexus etc etc. Don't think they are not listening, but a personal talk about it seems a reach. They prefer comment cards emails and the like, but actually meeting and talking to someone about what you want on YOUR car, I can understand their stance completely.It is just not how business has been done for many years. They prefer "demographic pooling". try signing up for one of the many focus groups and specify you want to focus on autos. I participated in 5 focus groups last year, and was paid between $100-250 for each 2-4 hour meeting at a market research company, That's how it is done now.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    And how do you get into so many focus groups???...wait, I got it...I saw it in MYSpace...something like this...

    Lonely edmunds poster sitting at home with nothing to do...likes to critique cars...has opinions that may be valuable someday, altho to whom is currently unknown...secretly yearns to be in focus groups, even tho I, myself, am occasionally unfocused...if you're willing to take a chance on a nice guy, give me a call, 800 555 1212...you won't be sorry...

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  • jaymagicjaymagic Posts: 309
    Haven't been on the forums for a bit, but as an update my 07 Azera Ltd. is doing just fine. Over 43,000 miles and NO problems, period. It has only needed the recommended maintenance and a change of tires at 40,000 miles (winter tires with studs). No problems with the shocks, still original, brakes, etc. Still getting between 24.9 and 25.1 mpg (snow tires cost me a 10th)

    Still looks great, no real wear issues on the interior. No plans to trade or sell. It is still the best car for the money I have ever owned.
  • oldguy8oldguy8 Posts: 12
    If it's not a US make I don't buy it!
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    Make me feel like a stay-at-home! My 2006 Azera Limited has only a little over 35k on the ODO, also all original suspension/tires. New battery though, under warranty. Quite pleased with the car, and just had it fully detailed...
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    If 43k miles makes you feel like a stay-at-home...how would 65k miles make you feel? LOL It would more than likely be closer to 70k if it hadn't been sitting at the dealership for the last 3 (going on 4) weeks. However, I am still very pleased with my Azera as well.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    if it hadn't been sitting at the dealership for the last 3 (going on 4) weeks.

    Collision repair or unresolved warranty issue?

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Waiting on the heating element for the driver's seat to come in. I took it in to get a few things taken care of actually. I was getting a creaking noise from the strut on the front passenger side, they already replaced that (under warranty). They looked at the fog light that was taking on water, but it was determined not be covered by the warranty (I can order a new one for around $40...so no big deal) and of course the seat heating issue.

    They had ordered the part for me before, but when I finally took it to them to get it done...they found out that the wrong part had been shipped, so they ordered a 2nd one. It comes in...and again, the wrong part. The part number on the packaging was right, but the part inside was wrong. So...they had to take pictures of the part taken out of my car, send a few emails and wait for the part to be shipped, from Korea once again, before they can install it. :sick:

    The poor little Sonata they gave me as a loaner truly makes me miss my Azera. However, on the bright side...we picked up an '04 Audi A6 about a week ago that has eased my mind a bit. ;)
  • sporin71sporin71 Posts: 26
    So I've fallen for the G8, to the point where I'm waiting for a nice used one to fall within my tight budget to replace my 08 Accord for it.

    Admittedly I haven't driven one, as I know it will be hard to stay rational if I do, but I spent a great deal of time at the local auto show going over one.

    I'm a big guy so interior space is a concern and an area that my 08 Accord really excels at. I wanted to see how the G8 fared.

    There were 2 different G8 GT's at the auto show. Very nice salesman from Dartmouth Motors in Newport NH answered every question I asked. He was anxious to get me in for a test drive but I tried to convince us both I was just looking. ;)

    Both cars had performance & sport packages with the 19" summer rubber. The black one had a sunroof, the white one did not.

    Interior space is about equal to my 08 Accord, great elbow, leg, hip and shoulder room front and rear. I can comfortably sit behind myself. Biggest difference was headroom. The G8 roof line is lower and that, coupled with the black headliner tightens things up both physically and visually. THe Accord gives me signifigantly mroe headreoom and a generall "airyness" that isn't present in the lower slung G8.

    The black car had a sunroof which eats a bit more as well. The white one I sat in had no sunroof and it made a noticeable difference. Given how tiny the sunroof is anyway, I wouldn't want one.

    I thought the interior plastics were of good quality, nicely textured with decent gaps. It's no Audi, sure, but it's not a early 90's Saturn either, it did not feel "cheap" by any stretch, very much on par with my Accord.

    The red and black leather was of good quality and looked fantastic. The seats were very comfortable, with more bolstering then my Accord seats, but not so much that they felt too tight even for me. The center console comes up higher in the G8 then in the Accord so that holds you in as well. Trunk is large enough for my needs.

    The white really did nothing for me but in black, this car is so fantastic looking, wheel gaps were small, short overhangs, and the overall shape was very sporty. The wheels were a bit bland but fit the overall design well. Brake disks look HUGE behind them. One minor concern I could dig for is the low front clip. I've already scraped up the lip of my Accord and it is easily twice as high off the ground then the G8. Deal breaker? Nope, but a consideration with my area's plethora of crappy roads, steep dirt driveways, and 5 month winters.

    Overall I was very impressed. For a non-driving review it met or exceeded my expectations. Frankly the only thing keeping me from buying one right now is price and a general fear about the economy. Not that it's not a great value (these were "special priced" at $27.5) but just that I don't car-shop much over $20k, just not in my budget. But I can REALLY see me looking at used ones a year or so from now.

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  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Frankly the only thing keeping me from buying one right now is price and a general fear about the economy.

    The Hyundai Assurance helps alleviate that problem. Lose your income within the 1st year after you buy it and they pay your car note for 3 months. After that, if you still don't have income to pay the car note, you can sell it back to them with no affect to your credit.

    Maybe you should wait for the 2010 Ford Taurus. I've seen the website and it's a very nice look for the Taurus. SHO version is packing 365 hp to keep up with the Genesis, G8, 300C & Charger R/T.

    2010 Ford Taurus
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Sounds like the sunroof issue I had with my '03 Avalon, why is so hard to get the right parts?. Congrats on the A6, nice ride.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    While it's frustrating in the fact that I miss my car, at least they put me in a loaner. As far as getting the parts right...the shop manager believes that Hyundai must've received a whole batch of the parts packaged wrongly. He said he's had issues before with getting the right part for a particular car, but usually...it's the stuff that's not normal like powertrain, suspension and stuff like that.

    Yeah...the A6 is truly a nice car. First German car I've owned and I can see why they are highly regarded when it comes to suspenion. Even with a sport tuned suspension, the ride is VERY nice. Not to mention the fact, stock tires are 234/45-17's. I would have expected the ride to be harsher with low profile tires, but it is quite complaint and comfortable.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Congrats on the A6. Glad you are enjoying it :)
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    "...they found out that the wrong part had been shipped, so they ordered a 2nd one. It comes in...and again, the wrong part. The part number on the packaging was right, but the part inside was wrong."

    Reminds me of a shower door I ordered from Sears, years back. Wanted silver, arrived as gold. Reordered. Got another gold. Found that the catalog numbers for silver and gold were reversed! So we ordered the gold to get the silver! But in the meantime, Sears saw the problem and internally changed the numbers.. so, received yet another GOLD! Fourth time worked OK...
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    LOL I know that got to be real frustrating, real fast!
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    Funny how it classified as a large sedan here and else where, mainly I think b/c its the flagship premium sedan by a mainstream manufacturer but technically its a mid-size in its dimensions.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,897
    Well, has it gotten smaller in the past few years? Seems to me that it used to *look* larger, but that might just be an illusion due to the exterior design.

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  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    Yeah, overall it shrunk compared to the 6th Gen Maxima. It lost a inch in width and about 2 or 3 inches in length if I'm not mistaken. I think its about a half to a inch shorter in height as well.
  • cobrazeracobrazera Posts: 352
    The " midsize " Altima, according to Nissan website has 100.7 cu/ft interior and 15.3 cu/ft trunk, while the " largesize " Maxima has 95.8 and 14.2 for the same areas. Go figure.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    I'm not surprised Nissan's website would say it like that but the Maxima's dimensions itself would not classify it into the large sedan class. Heck, even the Acura TL, which is even bigger, is classified as a midsize still.
  • while i agree with you about the side mirrors. I have not had a problem with visability via the mirrors as i have them angled for best visability coverage nor have i had ant issue about the lights reflecting on the windows at night and the arm rest to me is just right as im not a fan of the softer cushioned arm rest's so it seems fine too me. The seats seem to be fine to me as well as i havent sufferd a sore rear since i have driven the car over 4 thousand miles so far since owning it i agree about the cup holder place ment tho. I do how ever both agree and disagree with you on the fake wood as i think it makes a show of elegance but i do wish they had offerd other choices.
  • core781core781 Posts: 1
    The 9C1 handles like an Exxon tanker, but they were pretty fast. The old caprice was better from what I was told by senior officers. So are these new Chargers worth their salt? I currently have a CVPI.
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 230
    It took me a little while to figure out that this post was a reply to one in 2007, and was about Ford, Chevrolet, and Dodge police cars.

    The original argument was sort of a stretch for a "main stream family sedan comparison" thread.

    It is truly amazing what I find in the Toyota Avalon Forum.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,934
    OK, the SS is not really going to be "mainstream" is it?
  • jamazerajamazera Posts: 149
    according to Chevy...YES they wanted to revive the SS mark.....
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