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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I'm really starting to see how diesel would be the way to go here! (sic) :sick:

    Tell me again how diesel would be an advantage????
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    $3.73 for premium here in metro LA. :sick:
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Louis...you use premium???
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I don't have a choice, my car requires premium. :cry:
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    OUCH!!! :sick:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Which is this? Most just "recommend" it, but don't actually require it. Our Odyssey was this way, causing horsepower to drop from 210 to 205 if you used regular. No biggie.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I know most are "recommend" but mine is "required". I don't think anything would happen if I put in regular but by doing that I would probably void the factory warranty.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    May I ask what kind of vehicle this is?
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    It's not a large sedan, I have an IS350.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Thanks... curiousity had the best of me. :)

    Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
  • lightfootfllightfootfl Posts: 442
    Personally, I don't know why it is necessary for the drastic annual changes for any automobile. I would rather they make and refine what they make than come out with a new vehicle, just to please the eye. Then again, that is why I don't buy a new car every year. I would rather see improvements, particularly in the FE line than a new tail light, or fin, or some other external change. My 2 cents.
    van
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    I don't know why it is necessary for the drastic annual changes for any automobile. I would rather they make and refine
    you are an uncharacteristically intelligent auto buyer. The reason WHY has to do with tradition (remember when Detroit's new car introductions were an EVENT) , buyer expectations (the new car buyer doesn't want his new car to look like last year's model) and lastly, of course sales - there has always been a widely held misperception that 'new' is better when, in fact, the opposite may be closer to the truth.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I don't know why it is necessary for the drastic annual changes for any automobile

    What vehicles change drastically every year? If anything the cycles are getting longer. For example the Avalon didn't get one change (other than option packages) until its 4th year.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    On average...a particular model refresh lasts about 3-4 years (in most cases).

    The Azera...has gone through minor changes, but remains overall the same car when you look at it now going from 06 seemingly into 09. The previous XG ran from 02-05.

    Avalon ran in 4 year stints...95-99, 00-04 and 05-present. Maybe a refresh coming in 2010???

    The Maxima was all over the place...81-84, 85-88, then...89-94, 95-99, then a quick 00-03 and then...04-present. It was due.
  • scwmcanscwmcan Niagara, CanadaPosts: 389
    Oh I agree there is no need for drastic annual changes, I used to drive volvos so I know all about long lasting body "styles". It is just the Grand Marquis has been left languishing for so long that no one considers it anymore, despite the fact it probably isn't as bad as the age of its platform might suggest.
    Scott
  • scwmcanscwmcan Niagara, CanadaPosts: 389
    Fair enough, I am just saying that none of these cars is a fuel miser at this time, and I agree you probably aren't going to see a 4 cyl in them anytime soon (at least I hope not). A diesel might be better if the price falls back into line, otherwise the milage will be better but the costs will be about the same (and I am a believer in diesel for the short to medium term).
    Scott
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Maybe a refresh coming in 2010???

    I read somewhere that not until 2011 :(

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    wasn't it really the Japanese that 'convinced' Detroit that it really wasn't necessary to reinvent the wheel every year? I think back to major body redesigns you could pretty much count every year in the 50s and 60s by those Detroit brands even if the car underneath the new body style was really the same. Fins lasted what? 2 years?
    The Avalon may get enough body style changes in 2010 (or 2011) that it really looks different than the 2005 but I would bet that the basic car underneath is not changed much - why fix something that ain't broke? The 2009 Maxima OTH needed enough changes that would upgrade it some although it too is much the same basic car underneath.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    would bet that the basic car underneath is not changed much

    Probably right, think back to the 96+ Avs that platform was used until the '05+ came out.

    Speaking of the Maxima... I can't wait to see one in person. I really like the new look and the interior is so much better than the previous generation.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    the interior is so much better than the previous generation
    if there is one common complaint about Nissan products this is probably it. The 2002 Altima was revolutionary in many respects but with an interior lacking in comparison to Camrys/Accords, same could be said for the G35 in its class, and the Maximas in its various renditions. I don't think Nissan really learned to make a nice interior until the 05 Ms, the new Maxima quite similar (and quite a bit better) - there seems to be a 'richness' to it never seen before in that car.
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