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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    This vehicle is updated on Ford's website. Trim levels have been shuffled with a base SE sliding in, and SEL being equipped much like last year's SEL w/Safety and Security package.
  • Sorry to be behind the power curve here, but who or what is "Fred's" ? Thanks, van
  • :)

    No need to feel sorry Dave. What year was your VW Diesel?

    So a search for Fred's TDI or go to: www.tdiclub.com
    That will get you to a group of VW enthusiasts bar none.
    As a group, we know the VW diesel better than the dealers, I kid you not!

    I am always surprised how many VW diesel owners have never heard of this group.
    With over 64,497members World Wide of which over 18,000 are considered active,
    it has been around for over 10 years and is continually growing.

    Fred is a fellow who started that group many years ago when he didn't own a diesel
    and this group simply grew and grew. Whatever you need to know, the members
    there know the car.
  • Last year, I wrote to Lexus and told them why I did not purchase one of their cars. Within 2-3 weeks, they called me and we had a nice chat about what I would like to see on their cars. They also sent me brochures on the LS and GS models.
    I have also communicated with other manufacturers and been cordially treated.
    But, NOT Hyundai!
    08/26 sent a letter to CEO with what I would like to see on the Genesis. Most suggestions were things on the Azera, but not on the Genesis and moving some features from the 4.6 to another package on the 3.8.
    09/05 letter stamped received in President's office.
    10/02 letter stamped received in Consumer Affairs Dept.
    11/21 letter stamped received in Legal Dept.
    11/21 letter returned to me with a cover letter from assistant general counsel.

    Their letter states: "As a matter of course, all correspondence received by HMA containing suggestions for design changes, new products, marketing strategies, advertising slogans or the like, is forwarded to the Legal Department for reply. Please be advised that it is against the policy of HMA to accept unsolicited ideas from persons outside the Hyundai organization. In accordance with this policy, we are returning your correspondence with this letter. Please consider this letter as HMA's response to your August 26, 2008 correspondence."

    This is why Hyundai will not suceed as a luxury car manufacturer and will ultimately have problems becoming a major factor in the American market.
  • With most companies "litigation jumpy", I can understand why HMA responded as they did.
    A better way is to post your suggestions and concerns in a forum like this one. Hopefully they monitor these forums. If they don't then you last statement in the above post is most certainly true.
  • Thanks, I had never heard of it..(Fred's). I started with the VW Deisel with air conditioning, in '79.. I purchased it in St Louis, Mo and a couple of months later had to replace it with another, as I had the 1st one was totalled out by a tractor trailer accident. That one lasted me over 100K miles without any problems at all. Then I did a 100K servicing, and had problems from then til I got rid of it about 25,000 mi later. Over all I loved it, especially the mileage I had, for the entire life of the vehicle as I owned it, was in the upper 40's if I remember right. I did much better the 1st 100K mi, that servicing killed everything. At the time I owned it, I was moving from Ill, to FL, to AL, to AR, back to FL., where I finally sold it in 1985.
    Again thanks for the answer,
    van
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    And what does it have to do with mainstream large sedans comparo? You've already posted the exact same thing in a few other threads, are you now infecting every thread because Hyundai didn't respond to what you wanted to hear?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    "As a matter of course, all correspondence received by HMA containing suggestions for design changes, new products, marketing strategies, advertising slogans or the like, is forwarded to the Legal Department for reply. Please be advised that it is against the policy of HMA to accept unsolicited ideas from persons outside the Hyundai organization. In accordance with this policy, we are returning your correspondence with this letter. Please consider this letter as HMA's response to your August 26, 2008 correspondence."

    Exactly what other automakers would have replied here as well. Your Lexus situation was about a purchase decision; it's different here, as it was concerning about future products. So while you didn't get what you wanted to hear, it was the right thing Hyundai did. Companies do this on a regular basis.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
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    More on Jalopnik, at the link below.

    click here for the Taurus pics
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    Overall very nice, and a huge improvement over the cheapo Nebraska-flat plains of the current Taurus.

    The only problem I see here is the chrome surfaces around the gauge pods -- they'd be a guaranteed source of annoying reflections on a sunny day.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Atrractive but BIG design flaws similar to the 2006 - 2009 Toyota Sienna's where there are too many shiny, curved surfaces that cause annoying reflections. :sick:
  • I don't know where you're getting your information regarding Jaguar's reliability ratings...but they're dated at a minimum.

    Yes Jaguar used to be known as the Mechanic's Nightmare...but that was prior to Ford.

    What Ford has done for Jaguar's quality is nothing short of a full-fledged miracle.

    Before you wrongly continue to malign this brand's quality image, I'd suggest you spend a little time 'first' reviewing Jaguar's quality ratings at JD Power.com You will find that under Ford's ownership, the quality of the vehicles has gone through the roof and has bested many far more expensive brands...more than once in the last decade.

    You're info is simply wrong based on my ownership experience of my 2003 Jag.
  • I have a very close relative who had an XKE back in the early 70's and now has an 05 or 06 Jag.....2 completely different animals.... The newer one being inferior to the first. In fact my relative has said on numerous occasions that if they had it to do over again, they never would have purchased thier new Jag ( ford ) ... Just thier opinion..... I can tell you I've driven both and their new jag dosn't have near the feel of the older jag.... That XKE was a running son of a gun not to mention could handle just about any road you threw at it... only major trouble I remember him having with it was carb calibrations.... but other than that one sweet running piece of machine.

    Roland
  • sriptonsripton Posts: 20
    I would expect any major company to respond exactly as hyundai did. It results from whackos sending them "ideas" for new cars and then litigating later saying the company "stole" their idea and asking for millions, and there are hundreds of such lawsuits filed yearly against all automakers. I don't think you should take it so seriously, and if you look at sales numbers you'll see that hyundai is already a HUGE player in the US market and hope to grow their lux business. My 2008 azera is the best car I've ever owned in 40 years, and i've owned BMW CADDY Porsche Lexus etc etc. Don't think they are not listening, but a personal talk about it seems a reach. They prefer comment cards emails and the like, but actually meeting and talking to someone about what you want on YOUR car, I can understand their stance completely.It is just not how business has been done for many years. They prefer "demographic pooling". try signing up for one of the many focus groups and specify you want to focus on autos. I participated in 5 focus groups last year, and was paid between $100-250 for each 2-4 hour meeting at a market research company, That's how it is done now.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,661
    And how do you get into so many focus groups???...wait, I got it...I saw it in MYSpace...something like this...

    Lonely edmunds poster sitting at home with nothing to do...likes to critique cars...has opinions that may be valuable someday, altho to whom is currently unknown...secretly yearns to be in focus groups, even tho I, myself, am occasionally unfocused...if you're willing to take a chance on a nice guy, give me a call, 800 555 1212...you won't be sorry...

    .............................................:):):):):):):):):).................- ...............
  • jaymagicjaymagic Posts: 309
    Haven't been on the forums for a bit, but as an update my 07 Azera Ltd. is doing just fine. Over 43,000 miles and NO problems, period. It has only needed the recommended maintenance and a change of tires at 40,000 miles (winter tires with studs). No problems with the shocks, still original, brakes, etc. Still getting between 24.9 and 25.1 mpg (snow tires cost me a 10th)

    Still looks great, no real wear issues on the interior. No plans to trade or sell. It is still the best car for the money I have ever owned.
  • oldguy8oldguy8 Posts: 12
    If it's not a US make I don't buy it!
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    Make me feel like a stay-at-home! My 2006 Azera Limited has only a little over 35k on the ODO, also all original suspension/tires. New battery though, under warranty. Quite pleased with the car, and just had it fully detailed...
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    If 43k miles makes you feel like a stay-at-home...how would 65k miles make you feel? LOL It would more than likely be closer to 70k if it hadn't been sitting at the dealership for the last 3 (going on 4) weeks. However, I am still very pleased with my Azera as well.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    if it hadn't been sitting at the dealership for the last 3 (going on 4) weeks.

    Collision repair or unresolved warranty issue?

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

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