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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • cobrazeracobrazera Posts: 352
    Why should using Shiftronic be necessary? It's an automatic transmission, and as such should do partial throttle downshifts - just reprogram the computer.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    "just reprogram the computer"

    What ever happened to just adjusting the linkage? Does the Azera have an adaptive trans like the Avalon? Just a hunch you may need to be a little heavier footed with it, in order to "teach" it to downshift faster. Is anyone else over in the Azera forum complaining? There may be a software fix for it. Toyota issued one for those experiencing the hesitation problem in the Avalon.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    "witness what Toyota did with the 2GR a few years ago"

    Its funny you say that, when I first saw the specs on the '05 Avalon I thought, nice, 280 HP (268 now) but FE will suffer. Then I saw the #'s Toyota was claiming I thought how the heck are they getting 70 more HP in a bigger car to get better mileage? Well I am happy to report that my '03 Avalon returned 19 MPG average and my '06 is now getting 22 with the same driving pattern. I know neither # is stellar but I do a lot of sitting in traffic.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • alexstorealexstore Posts: 264
    hmm. if u were replacing stock speakers, it means that they actually sound horrible. I have bose in my car and have no plan on replacing stock 320 watt great Bose sound system. even at high volume,they sound great and clear.
  • alexstorealexstore Posts: 264
    well at the same time maxima beats Azera in 0-60 and many other tests. IN addition Maxima as well as Avalon do have superior engines over 3.8 in Azera. With Less displacement, they produce similar Hp and more importantly Torque in the same or lower ranges. Maxima is build for a different buyer than Azera. It is for a person , who enjoys performance, but wants 4 door large and comfortable vehicle with all luxury items that one needs like Navigation, standard power adjustable steering wheel. Modifications on Maxima will not look out of place as it is on Azera.
    BTW 2009 model year maxima is moving closer to MB CLS whose appearance I love( have you seen coupe based 4 door BMW). BTW younger buyers like coupes and Maxima even now is simply coupe based vehicle. This is basically the reason why passenger volume in MAxima is smaller than in Azera. CD in MAx is also smaller than in Azera.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Without starting an audio debate in the wrong fourm. NO stock system in any car can compete with the aftermarket. Car audio is limited only by your imagination and budget. I have had systems in previous cars that blow away the factory JBL in my Avalon (which is quite good BTW), but since I have leased my last 3 cars I haven't done any aftermarket audio in a while except for the Ipod interface in my Av.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Alexstore...are you always this dense? Replacing a factory system doesn't automatically mean it sounds horrible. It means that it doesn't perform up to the standards that I personally have.

    The stock Infinty system sounds very, very good...the sound is clear and natural. However, I wanted more sound control from my head unit, so I replaced it. In doing so...I wanted to go with speakers that were more efficient and could handle more power as I do like to crank my music when I'm on the highway. Just so you know, I only replaced the speakers in the door with some coaxial 6.5 Infinity Kappas. I left the factory center channel, tweeters and subwoofer intact.

    Some folks complain that the center channel speaker is too prominent in the sound stage. By replacing the door speakers, I was able to even that out and now it sounds like the music is spread across the front of the car with the vocals coming from in front of you...just how it should be.

    As far as stock systems go, the one in the Azera is one of the better ones I've heard...especially for the price point of the car. Don't think that just because I tweaked it, that it was horrible...I just like more for my listening enjoyment.

    As far as your Bose system goes, I've heard the ones in the Maximas and Altimas...let's just say I'm not impressed. The good Bose systems are in the higher end cars and the Maxima isn't one of them. Now this is just my opinion, so don't get your panties twisted. That particular Bose system may be just enough for your musical tastes, and that's fine. By all means...enjoy it.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    "Why should using Shiftronic be necessary?"

    Because it's an automatic transmission with a manual mode. It is nothing for me to switch over to manual and downshift when I want for certain manuvers. I've never driven an automatic that made any downshift like a manual transmission. Under normal driving conditions, the Azera in auto mode drives wonderfully. It's not a sports sedan, so it's not programmed to shift like one. If you want more aggressive shifting, it's available in manual mode. Is it really THAT hard?
  • vic10vic10 Posts: 188
    Why anyone would waste money on even a premium sound system for a car is beyond me. Unless you like to sit in your car in a parking lot to listen to music, you're going to have road noise and wind noise and engine/transmission noise, and the sound of that semi trying to pass you, and if you're the type that thinks aftermarket boomers are great, you probably have a cell phone or bluetooth in one ear. So why bother? If you want to listen to great music, stay at home where you can pay attention to the sound. Don't listen to it in your car where you should be paying attention to, dare I say it, driving?
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    A premium sound system has a better chance of overcoming road noise than a standard sound system. Let me guess...you've never had the pleasure of having a truly great sound system in a car, have you? :P

    Anyway, anyone that can't enjoy music while they are driving are probably challenged when it comes to walking and chewing bubble gum too. :P Does this mean you do housework in dead silence too?

    The driving environment should be one that allows the driver to feel comfortable and relaxed behind the wheel. Music soothes the savage beast! Anyway, have you ever tried commuting into work, or taking a long drive to anywhere without ANY music to listen to? I'd go bonkers if I was forced to drive like that. Just so you know...I don't have Bluetooth anything and I intend to keep it that way. However, the Bluetooth earpiece doesn't block out total sound, so music is still audible if someone is wearing one.

    You also have a false conception that an aftermarket equates to someone driving down the road blasting nothing but mind numbing bass and going deaf in the process. My friend, a good aftermarket system is provides clear, clean sound along every audible frequency. I don't knock the guys that just want bass to beat the back of their heads, but that's not me...I like to hear everything in my music.
  • cobrazeracobrazera Posts: 352
    There's no hesitation problem, it just won't downshift out of top gear without flooring it. Maybe they would need to rerun the EPA test if they reprogrammed the tranny. This idiosyncrocy ( I won't even call it a problem, or some might misconstrue the usage of that word ) has been noted in previous forums and is not a big deal, it just makes the car less than totally perfect.
    I'm not a heavy footed driver, but have had many cars ( GM brands and a Jaguar ); all did part throttle downshifts. If I wanted to manipulate the Shiftronic all the time, I'd have purchased a car with a manual transmission.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I'm confused.... (first time ever lol) you mention that the car won't downshift in top gear. So lets say you are going 65 in 5th. You need a small increase in speed, say 5-10 MPH you push the pedal half way and stay in 5th? That just seems wrong to me. Every car I've owned would downshift one gear lower, and off I went.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I think his problem is that it actually requires you to push the gas pedal down about half way before the shift actually happens. I know with my Azera, I can cruise in 5th and when I step on the gas, it'll down shift when the pedal goes down about half way. Maybe that's not fast enough for him. Thus, that is why I suggested using the manual mode.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well, it may be a moot point, but put my car into the ring of vehicles that always shift down at least one gear when given half-throttle. Sometimes, two!

    (2006 Accord 4-cyl)
  • chilliwackchilliwack Posts: 189
    I think I have experienced the issue you are trying to describe. While going around a clover leaf merge, uphill, the car bogs and stutters a bit and does not downshift to pick up the slack without stepping on the gas. That is one of the only issues I have at this time as well. Just another reason to step on it. ;)
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    The Bose system in my '06 Impala SS couldn't sound better! I am very pleased with it and I would be the first one to replace stock speakers if they did not sound great.
  • jlindhjlindh Posts: 282
    I've been told Bose is a four letter word to an audiophile. What do the folks with high-end home systems think of Bose?

    I've got a Bose Acoustic Wave on my boat. It's stereo, but definitely not HiFi.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    "Bose is a four letter word to an audiophile"

    Absolutely! Now if B & W, Krell or Mcintosh starts putting systems in cars I'm there.... am I on the wrong forum? lol.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I think you meant to say B & O. Right? No?
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    No, I meant B&W (Bowers and Wilkins) B&O is cool too though!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    You definitely can't compare a Bose home system to a Bose car system. The home systems are phenomenal to say the least. The car systems...it really depends on the car. I've heard some that sound terrific, and I've heard some that don't sound any better than other premium sound systems found in other makes. The auto environment is one of the hardest to create a sensational sound system in.
  • vic10vic10 Posts: 188
    "The biggest improvement...electronic valve control...."

    Excellent! A giant ON and OFF switch. Electronics are great. But there's no warning of impending doom. Just an instant "off". After reading of all the electronic bugs on Lucerne, 300, DTS sites, not sure this geezer is ready to applaud the arrival of this improvement....
  • vic10vic10 Posts: 188
    My only "premium" auto audio was the late 1980's GM Bose system in my Riviera. Sounded wonderful at a stop. No argument. But it wasn't worth the $1000.00 once I got above 30 mph.

    Still think driving is not the place to "hear everything in my music" (and probably the only way to do that in a car is by using earphones, which are illegal in some states). If I want to listen to all the nuances of a piece of music, I'll say at home and turn on my Musical Fidelity electronics and listen to the sounds coming from my luscious Dynaudio towers....

    P.S. If you equate the attention needed to drive safely with the attention needed to clean a house, please advise what roads you routinely drive on SO I CAN AVOID THEM....
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    First off - EDMUNDS - GET A QUOTE BUTTON!!!!!

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    "The biggest improvement...electronic valve control...."

    Excellent! A giant ON and OFF switch. Electronics are great. But there's no warning of impending doom. Just an instant "off". After reading of all the electronic bugs on Lucerne, 300, DTS sites, not sure this geezer is ready to applaud the arrival of this improvement....

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    As opposed to needing valve adjustments, not knowing the exact state of the valves(sensor goes bad - trips the computer - "service engine - valve servo failure" - other cylinders work fine), timing belts going bad, timing sensors failing, cams getting ground off...

    The only thing valves serve to do is regulate the airflow in and out of the engine. They *should* be electronic or some sort of computer controlled valve. All of the rest of the top end of a car was a mechanical kludge because cars lacked the technology for a hundred years to make a proper electronic/electro-mechanical valve system.

    And it will all be gone. Imagine an engine with an intake, a MAF, and then 4-6 hoses or a metal intake going straight into the engine.(module it bolts or hooks into). Cylinders right below. The entire top end of the engine is gone.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...1980's....2000's? Trust me, the sound systems of today are much, much...MUCH better than the older ones. Now it's starting to sound like you were bitter and never got over it! *snicker* Well...I paid whatever for the car and it came with the upgraded system and then I turned around and poured another $700 in aftermarket audio equipment to be truly happy with the sound.

    Obviously, you've never enjoyed a well executed sound system in a car to appreciate just how nice it is to enjoy full bodied sound while safely motoring down the highway. It doesn't have to be cranked up way past loud to enjoy it either. I can have the volume on 5 (out of 30) and hear my music, still hear what's going on around me outside of my car and...carry on a conversation if I want. On the highway with the windows down...I can turn the volum up to 10 and again...hear every note from the highs to the lows, oh yes...and STILL be able to hear what's going on outside. Trust me, my music enjoyment does NOT interfere with my driving.

    The equation had nothing to do with safely driving as opposed to cleaning a house, it was directed more at your lacking ability to successfully multi-task. Oh yeah, and there was an article in the Washington Post a month or so ago where they talked about drivers that listen to familiar music are more likely to pay attention to the road and less likely to have accidents because they are relaxed and attentive.

    Do you wear a helmet and leathers when you drive as well? LMAO
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Actually Cobrazera...I was driving today at about 70 mph, pushed the gas pedal maybe 1/4 of the way down and it down shifted for me with no problem. I think mashing it down actually takes it down to 3rd gear for situations like passing and merging, but for simply picking up speed, it dips down to 4th with no problem...at least in my Azera.

    Maybe this issue has something to do with the wide-open throttle shift TSB that came out for the '06 Azeras. Not sure if this issue afflicted the '07's or not. Maybe those that seem to have a shifting issue can take it in to a dealer and have them re-program the tranny. However, most need to know that it's and adaptive transmission, so it learns based on how you drive. So maybe you need to drive a bit more aggressively during the learning period so it will shift more like you want.
  • alexstorealexstore Posts: 264
    Please have discussions about Azera transmission switched to Azera's Maintenance and Repair forums. This forum is about Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison and not vehicle specific problems.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    As if nobody else ever gets a bit off topic from time to time!

    Alexstore...it's not a maintenace or repair issue. Instead of complaining about a thread...start a new one that we can all contribute to. ;)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Actually, the italics and/or the bold buttons work just fine as a "quote button" for me. Either offsets the quote from the reply very nicely. You can submit a suggestion through the Help link at the bottom of the page if you'd like. :)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Yes, that's the thing to do - start a new line of conversation.

    However, if those who want to talk specific vehicle problems would seek out the most appropriate place that would be helpful. Not only to this topic but also to anyone seeking that sort of information in the future - they're not going to look here for it.
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