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Acura TSX vs. Infiniti G35

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  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Oh BTW, good choice on the M3, its a very nice car. However in my case, for 80k, I will go with the GTR. I guess that shows you how different we are, LOL. Dont take that to mean I do not like the M3, in fact you dont need me to tell you that, its quite simply the benchmark for performanc :) e luxury sedans under 100k. In my case though, the GTR tickles my fancy more.
  • gooddeal2gooddeal2 Posts: 749
    ...unless "brand" is important to you.

    Yes, that's all for some people. There're so many people out there who try to justify that when they spend more money, they get better products. I like to buy CK and Lacoste cloths b/c I like them. If you ask me "is the quality better than those cheaper brands?", I don't think. However, some people would think that because they spend $80 for a Lacoste shirt, they get a superior quality product.

    Those are the people who say "BMW is the best!, or "Honda is the best!, or "Toyota is the best!", "Nissan is the best!", or "MB is the best!".
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,238
    Thanks for holding up our side, or trying to.

    I'm enjoying my '08 manual TSX, but not as much as the 3-series estate I would have preferred -- if it didn't have RFTs and came with a 2 or 2.5 litre diesel. Oh, and then there's that failure-prone oil level sensor and no dip stick, oh, and that . . .

    So, the TSX is a definite compromise for me, but the G would have been also. Truck engine, lousy fuel mileage & no fold-down rear seats, but that's just me.

    Another backstory is the TSX diesel that was supposed to have been introduced here by now, but apparently won't be. I figured I could trade in my gasser on the diesel & do okay. Oh, but wait, no diesel for you (think soup Nazi).

    I could end up driving this appliance for quite some time & it's generally okay. I'd really like RWD, but I've got a solid manual transmission, decent handling & pretty damn good fuel mileage, plus which the thing will last for the next 200K miles.

    If Audi brings a diesel A3 or A4 with a manual, or if BMW wakes up and brings the 2 or 2.5 diesels (with manual) over here (as opposed to the giant-killer 3.35D, only available with an automatic), or if I decide I can live with VW reliability, I may trade in my TSX, but for now I'm okay.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "Oh BTW, good choice on the M3, its a very nice car. However in my case, for 80k, I will go with the GTR."

    Actually, I'm not a fan of the new M3 (or any current BMW's). It's too big and heavy for me. No, my M3 is a 22 year-old original E30. It's got a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine and weighs 2700 lbs.

    Actually, your GTR is another perfect example of why you and I have completely different feelings about cars. When I drive a car, I appreciate subtle tactile steering response, a light, crisp shift action, perfectly modulated throttle response, an engine that sings and asks for more as it winds up to 8000 RPM, and a chassis that dances through corners. I want to be rewarded for driving a car with skill and precision. The GTR is more like a video game than a sports car - just push the go pedal and turn the steering wheel and it does the rest. You can have it.

    It matters less to me how fast I'm going than the way the car interacts with and responds to me. Remember, we're talking about cars that are primarily used to commute in urban traffic and maybe take a cruise down the freeway on the weekend. If we are talking about going to the track on weekends and driving at 10/10ths, then yes, G37 is the better choice (though, still a poor choice compared to better cars out there). But for relaxing in traffic during your weekday commute or clearing your head with a brisk (but not aggressive) 7/10ths drive through the mountains, I think the TSX is the more pleasant car to drive. More precise steering, better clutch/shifter, airy and bright cabin, soft touch controls, and lighter on it's feet. It just feels right.

    The Altima, Accord, Camry, etc. could perhaps be compared with the automatic transmission TSX, but none of them can match the TSX's combination of trim dimensions, chassis dynamics, and quality fit/finish. If you can't tell the difference, then you have never driven a 6MT TSX.

    I do agree with you about the direction Acura is going. The previous generation TSX and TL were better, more focused cars than the current crop.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Come to think of it...

    I think the best car in this class would offer the sportiness of the G37 with the polish/refinement of the Acura TSX. Basically, the BMW 335i.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Well, if clothes are made in Italy, hand sawn over there, then yes I can pay a premium for that. But if its made in China and they attach a brand label on it, no I will not pay a premium. The reason being in China, the clothes are made using cheap labor, therefore I will not pay as much as for a brand coming from Italy, where the labor costs are more expensive. With cars, LOL, I buy the object, not the brand. I agree Mercedes is great, the S Class, CL come to mind (few can compete well with these cars), but when it comes to the C Class, there are so many competitors out there it can hardly stand out. So buying a C Class cos its a Mercedes, may not necessarily be the best way to approach this. Yes its a Mercedes but more importantly its a C Class. But each to his own, as long as you are happy.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Actually, I'm not a fan of the new M3 (or any current BMW's). It's too big and heavy for me. No, my M3 is a 22 year-old original E30. It's got a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine and weighs 2700 lbs.

    A lot of good things have been said of this model of the M3. Look man, I dont own a GTR and so will not get into any discussion on how it feels etc although I disagree a lot with what you said about it. I will leave it at that.

    If we are talking about going to the track on weekends and driving at 10/10ths, then yes, G37 is the better choice (though, still a poor choice compared to better cars out there). But for relaxing in traffic during your weekday commute or clearing your head with a brisk (but not aggressive) 7/10ths drive through the mountains, I think the TSX is the more pleasant car to drive.

    I am not sure if you are saying this becuase you dislike me or the car, LOL. Listen, I used to own an IS250 before I got rid of it. I will tell you this, the G drives better in every day traffic than the IS250. It just feels so much better, less tire noise and more comfortable as it absorbs bumps better. In fact these days I have just been rolling down the windows driving at 50mph listening to music and just watching guys pass by. Sooooooo relaxing.

    Just to be fair, here are my issues with the G:
    No DRL
    Doors do not lock when you start driving, this has been corrected for 09 models though.
    Fuel mileage 20mpg, its bad but cant complain, I knew what I was getting into. I do use all of my horses quite frequently though. Or put differently, its tough to hide all those horses.
    The IS250 had better materials than the G, but, compared to say Camry, Accord, Altima, the materials are better, which is the minimum I require to call this a luxury car.

    Good luck with the Altima, Camry, Maxima forums, if I were you I would not even start a thread of that nature as I think it will be tough convincing those guys the TSX is the wiser choice.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    think the best car in this class would offer the sportiness of the G37 with the polish/refinement of the Acura TSX. Basically, the BMW 335i.

    I have to disagree. In terms of sportiness, the 335i rules. So you cant say a 335i with the sportiness of the G37, please apologize to the 335i owners:)

    As far as Acura refinement/polishness goes, you are probably the 1st person I have heard say this, but each to his own, its what makes you happy at the end of the day right. :D
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "As far as Acura refinement/polishness goes, you are probably the 1st person I have heard say this."

    Really!?!? It's obvious that you've never driven a TSX, and now I'm sure you've never even read a magazine review either. Car & Driver Magazine eloquently summed up the TSX back in 2004. Here's a sample:

    "Take Acura's new sports sedan, the TSX. It's a car that distances itself from its rivals not by performance numbers, but rather by how it performs. The TSX goes about its business so smoothly and so silkily that precision could be its middle name."

    "Sit behind the TSX's leather-wrapped, three-spoke steering wheel, and it appears as if all the money went into the materials and the fluidity of the parts. The sumptuous leather, the tasteful metallic accents, the LED gauges, and the top-grade plastics are befitting a car costing twice as much...All the materials scream luxury, and all the parts whisper smooth. Every knob, switch, and moving part seems to be glazed with Teflon."

    "Our advice is this: If you're in the market for a less-than-$30-grand sports sedan, check out the TSX. It's not the quickest to 60, or the fastest around the skidpad, or the shortest stopper, but it's the purest form of precision in its class."

    And C&D's first drive of the 2009 TSX...

    "From our brief first drive along the mountain roads northeast of San Diego, we can say that the new car still has that light-on-its-feet feeling that has characterized the TSX all along. Power from the rev-happy 201-hp, 2.4-liter four-cylinder is sufficient if not overabundant. The delightfully precise, stubby six-cog manual shifter is exactly the same bit found in the 2008 model and delivers, not surprisingly, the same level of satisfaction."

    "As before, the TSX’s steering is crisp, quick, and happily unaffected by the 172 pound-feet of torque being sent to the front axle. The suspension is taut, yielding sweet and flat cornering about as close to that of, say, the Volkswagen GTI, as possible without allowing impact harshness to turn off premium brand customers"

    "We have always been fond of the TSX’s balance of power, comfort, and fun, so we were thrilled (and relieved) that, for once, such a balance has been retained in spite of Honda’s thorough reworking of pretty much everything around that honey of an engine."

    Obviously, it's not your kind of car, and that's OK - The G is a fantastic car, no doubt. But I challenge you to find one review of the G37 that uses so many words like "jewel," "refined," "delightful," "smoothly and silkily," "sumptuous," or "tasteful" to describe the G37. These words should give you some idea of why the TSX appeals to so many people - in spite of it's obvious performance shortcomings. These subjective characteristics may not be important to you personally, but they are important qualities in the ELLPS class. And these qualities happen to be where the TSX shines over the G37.
  • ocg35manocg35man Posts: 52
    Is Acura arrogant or stupid?

    Why is it that all other brands are using 6,7 or 8 Speed Auto transmission, but
    Acura is still using 5 Speed Auto?

    Is it a cash problem or just being ignorant and not understand what's going on?

    Why is Acura insisting using Major Ugly Design-especially front face that only
    mother would love?

    When you spend Millions of dollar developing new cars, don't they ask for
    some input and opinion Before in production?

    BMW-nice performance cars, which I'd only consider leasing during warranty
    period, Unless you have a good friend or relative who can work on it when it
    starts to breakdown after warranty is over. :)
  • almattialmatti Posts: 164
    The TSX comes with a V-6 engine?? The TL has aV-6 engine. The G37 will blow the TSX off the road..... And if yiu get the G37X - with AWD which the Acura TSX doesn't offer, NO CONTEST. I like the TSX both the newest generation and the last generation, but the Infiniti G35-37 X sport, Journey rules this segment of the market. read the reviews.
  • almattialmatti Posts: 164
    Hate that CVT tranny. Give me a traditional, rear wheel drive drivetrain, with AWD, power and torquey. G37X Handsdown... The fully loaded Maxima, if you price it out, you will find it may come in for more than a G37X with the premium package.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "The G37 will blow the TSX off the road."

    First one to the skate park wins!
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I am sorry man, ELLPS has cars worth on average 35k & up. My G is worth north of that number. When CD said if you want a car less than 30k the TSX is the best in that category, they hit the nail in the head. The TSX simply does not compete (see CD camparo of the TL, G37, A4 & 328i) and no matter how much you think its refined, my take on refinement is A4 & lexus IS250. Funny enough, I actually did test drive the TSX & TL before getting the IS250. Never been so uninspired in my life. At the time power was not important to me but the Acura line up was DEAD as far as I was concerned.

    BTW the TSX is a Honda Accord in Japan, i.e. a family sedan. The G is a Nissan Skyline in Japan, which is a sports sedan. You can consider the TSX as ELLPS in your world but in Japan where it comes from its meant to compete with the Camry & Altima , Maxima will annihilate the TSX which is why I tell you to focus on your under 30k group where the TSX nicely fits in, but obviously as a family sedan, it will not compete very well. Camry & Accord will own it.

    As for your take on what you define as silky, smooth, refined, I am sorry, the IS250 did that very well for me. The A4 is on my top choice as well. And do I care that you choose to spend your money on the Honda Accord, yes mine is a Nissan skyline, no I dont care. I am not even trying to convince you to get the G. If I was the only one driving the G in America I could not be happier. My point still stands SIR, you are WAY out of your league here. In any case the G outsells the TSX, not saying it means anything but I guess fewer people are convinced to the a TSX over its competition, Camry, Accord, Altima, Maxima which are the better choices IMHO.

    Ask anyone who made a similar move from IS250 (way more refined than the TSX) to the G, ask them what they thought of the move, they will tell you the G is twice the car offered by the IS250. Ask people who move from the TL to the G, and I can assure you, you will find people moving from the TSX to the G (fewer going the reverse route). Spoken differently, is moving from a G to a TSX an "upgrade"?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    My point still stands SIR, you are WAY out of your league here.

    If you were so comfortable with that fact, why would you make STATEMENTS like THAT? Personally, I don't have a horse in this race, but I usually enjoy reading about comparisons like this, but this forum has gotten a little depressing lately. A lot less to read about cars, and a lot more huffing and puffing about "blowing the doors" off each other's cars. Really? You're in a business-class sedan and you're concerned about getting the jump on the fellow sedan at the traffic light? I have a lot more respect for a car that won't embarass itself in the curves as opposed to in a straight line. Frankly, legal limits will be reached (and exceeded by a great deal) in general long before either of these cars handling limits will. Steering feel? Yes please. Again, neither of these is a runaway winner in that department; both are decidedly sporty while still lending a luxury feel.

    My best friend drives a comparble car to mine, but never once have we ever pretended we were "racing for pinks," but what do I know. I just graduated college and am 21 years old, and haven't gotten the first speeding ticket or caused an accident. Guess I went straight from teenager to geezer. :shades:
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I am simply trying to educate this guy that if he prefers FWD, there are finer examples out there, like the Maxima. I actually have a deep respect for the Maxima, I think its a fine product but I prefer RWD and the G like you said is a better option.

    One thing that I have noticed is the G drivers have been steered away from performance, you get labeled with the "0-60 fanboys" title, LOL. What else can you say about a TSX, you will most certainly have to look for some subjective features which funny enough, the G embodies as well.

    Is there a way to add Camry, Maxima, Altima to this thread, I think this discussion will end. Here will be the ranking

    1)G
    2)Camry, Altima, Maxima,
    3) TSX

    At least thats what I think. Heck I dont mind losing to any of those cars tied at 2 either, just not the TSX, LOL.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Read my posts again, at some stage I said "no G driver will waste his time trying to race a TSX" I dont think it will be a race anyways. I am certainly not interested in that and I have enjoyed my 300 horses, I mean I did pay for them right, what I choose to do with them is certainly my business right.

    To be fair, I have seen only one guy who spoke about smoking a TSX. My posts have touched on a lot of things and I have spent the least amount of time on smoking a TSX, I think everyone is in agreement that performance the G takes it, no need to go there, its a waste of everyones time.

    All I want is to include the Camry, Maxima, Altima v6 models, thats where things get interesting. I care more for the opinions of drivers of those cars than TSX, its just mud slinging and funny enough I have not said much about the things I dont like about the TSX, just the things I like about the G.

    Oh BTW, I am very comfortable with what I am saying, remember I am the guy who after reading CD tell me to buy a 328i over a G I was like are you nuts, and I chose. That should tell you that I am a strong independent personality, and I expect everyone here to be the same so my statements are not meant to scare, insult or anything, just take them at face value and throw your opinions in my direction, heck quote more CD if you want, its even more enjoyable.

    BTW, add 335i, that should keep me in check, LOL

    Is there any G driver who wants to add something about steering feel and cornering, I can get slalom numbers and figure 8 numbers but if people do not understand how well this car does in that dept as well, I am really not willing to waste my time on this.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,238
    I am really not willing to waste my time on this.

    Could have fooled me.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    If you really think the TSX and Camry are in any way alike, then you've lost all credibility with me (and I'm guessing many other members of this forum).

    I can't argue with that kind of logic. I'm done with you.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I guess thats the difference between me and you, I do not go through life thinking because a car wears a badge, its different from or cannot be compared to the best selling sedans in the world, Camry, Accord. These cars define the minimum requirement for me to consider stepping up to "luxury", "performance". Its not easy for a car to set itself apart from that segment. To me the car that sets itself apart the furthest does a better job and deserves the premium.
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