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Toyota RAV4 2007

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  • It seems that each dealership adds its own items to the new vehicles, in order to bump up the sticker price (which = greater profits). I just purchased a leftover 4-cyl. 2007 ltd, fully loaded (leather heated seats and all) for $25,600. I think it's possible to get better deals on the '07's, because the dealers are desperate to get rid of them. Mine has the 6-cd changer, is satellite 'ready' and has the bluetooth on the steering wheel. I'm not sure what else the '08's would have. Effective strategies would be to know that Toyota Rav4's for the '07 model year have a 2% dealer holdback, off the base MSRP. Also, know the dealer invoice price (it can be ordered online), or ask the dealer to see it. There is often lots of extra money that is paid to the dealer from the factory, after the sale of the vehicle. I got mine for about $3800 under MSRP (off of $29,467), and over a thousand under dealer invoice. However, I was unrelenting in my approach to negotiating. :) Oh... and NEVER EVER mention you want to trade your current vehicle (if in fact you do), until you negotiate the price on the new vehicle. If they ask you if you plan on trading, just say, "I doubt it," or "I don't know, so let's keep that out of the deal."

    Good luck to you!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..Why do local dealers...."

    Who was it that said...

    "A sucker is born every minute..."

    ??

    The dealer does that so as to not sell to the suckers at cut-rate prices.
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    Who was it that said...

    "A sucker is born every minute..."

    i believe you're talking about p.t.barnum
  • Thanks for the info. I am scheduling an appointment right now.
  • I have just read your question about the MP3 Jack in the RAV4... Can you tell me now since you have had it for a while, have you run into the problem of the power supply to your MP3 causing static/noise sounds thru the speakers? And if so, what was your solution to this problem? Was your dealership of any assistance in this matter?
    My dealership acts like they have never heard of an MP3 player. They did not even know where the MP3 Jack was in my 2007 RAV 4 when I could not find it myself..
    Thanks
    Julie
  • cbmortoncbmorton Posts: 252
    That one also might be covered by a service bulletin. Ask your dealer about TSB # AU004-07. Here's the description of the problem that the TSB is meant to address:

    Some customers may notice noise in the auxiliary mode of the radio when using an MP3 player or other external audio source connected to the 12V power port of the vehicle. An improved auxiliary port and in-line filter has been developed to improve this condition.
  • Thanks for that bit of information. When I called the dealership (parts dept) they acted like this was my problem....i.e. they don't sell MP3 devices and IPods (which is what I have) and that I needed to find the answer to this screeching noise coming from my speakers whenever I use the power supply that plugs into the outlet inside the console instead of just letting my IPod run on its own battery supply. This is the answer I get, despite my RAV4 has less than 5K miles on it.

    I will be at the customer service manager's office in the next two days about this problem. thanks again, Happy New Year..
    Julie
  • I have this Grinding Sound coming from my 2007 RAV4. At first I thought this was because the weather is cold the brakes need warming up. This is ongoing now for about 4 days. I took my vehicle in for servicing just over 3 weeks. This is my first New Car so my question to you is, will I be charged if this problem turn out to be a broken Axle or is this covered under the Warranty. Thanks
  • kst1kst1 Posts: 21
    I have a 07 2WD 4-cylinder RAV4. On my way back from work, my instrument panel lit up for a couple of seconds. The engine malfunction, VSC, airbag lights stayed on. I shut off the RAV when I reached home and started it but those light stayed on. Called the local Toyota dealer and the service manager said that it could be as simple as a loose gas tank cap. Incidentally I did put in gas this morning. He said that after tightening the cap, the lights will go off after a few trips. Has anyone experienced this before? I might still take the RAV in for them to take a look at.
  • verdi942verdi942 Posts: 304
    My '07 I4 AWD is down about 1 qt. of oil at 3,500 miles; it's due for a change at 5,000. There's been no severe service driving here, just a normal mix of suburb, city and highway runs, some short, some long. I know, the owner's manual says that some oil consumption is normal, and it speaks of as much as 1.1 qts in 600 miles, but they're kidding, right? I mean, this isn't 1950, is it? I'd appreciate any feedback about similar experiences.
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    i agree that a quart low in 3500 miles is excessive. are you sure your oil was full when you bought the car? i'd fill it to the line and see if it is lower when you reach the 5000 mile oil change. if it is low, you'll get the usual response, "that's normal".
    you will have to tell them you added 4 quarts in 5000 miles for them to take a look. if it was my car, that is exactly what i would tell them.
  • verdi942verdi942 Posts: 304
    Thanks, 719b. For the record, at delivery, the oil level was at the top of the mark; I've been checking it every couple of weeks; you bet I'll tell them, and if it gets worse, I'll expect a new engine. I know of no other current manufacturer who admits to any oil consumption in a new vehicle. Do the Camry owners using the same motor get the same warning?
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    You guys aren't in touch with reality. Pretty much all manufacturers, including some very expensive makes, will say that something like 1 quart per thousand miles is "acceptible" oil consumption.

    Fact is, modern engines actually burn more oil than older engines. Why? Because in an effort to make engines more fuel efficient and wring more power out of the cubic inches available, engineers have cut back on things like extra piston rings that scrub the cylinder walls to retain oil, because they add to the engine friction load and rob horsepower.

    So while modern engines are much more powerful for their size than they used to be, one of the tradeoffs is a potential for increased oil consumption.
  • verdi942verdi942 Posts: 304
    Thanks for the reply, sdc2. But, really? Are you saying that you routinely add oil between changes to your bought-new, low mileage car[s]? Every one I know, including myself, buys their cars new; many of those cars are kept well past 100,000 miles, and non of them add oil between changes. I'm sure you're right about modern engine design; they get a whole lot more power out a lot fewer cubes, but, for me, adding oil went out with the used cars I owned in the 70's.
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    Well one other point to consider is the longer oil change intervals used now...when I changed oil every 3,000 miles I generally did not need to add any oil between changes. Nowdays I go 5,000 miles, and I do generally end up adding a half a quart or so, generally after 3,000 miles since the last change. So I don't find adding a quart at 3,500 miles to be all that unusual.

    Also, I suspect a lot of people don't even check their oil, and don't even know they need some added.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Boy, sorry, you simply could not be more wrong.

    I have always changed my own oil and filter since purchasing my first car, a used 1956 Ford bought at Seattle's Westside Ford in 1961. In those days a loss of one quart in 3000-5000 miles was common. By the time I purchased a new '84 T-bird my concerns of oil use between changes were gone. Today I typically drain about 1/4 to 1/3 of a quart less than what I last put into the engine. That's across a 93 Ford Ranger, a 92 LS400, a 94 Ford AWD Aerostar, an '01 AWD RX300, an '01 E50 based MH, and a '01 911/996 C4.

    I suspect that these days you must have something seriously wrong in order to "burn" through a quart of oil in 3000-5000 miles.

    And yes, Porsche is one of the marques that will tell you that one quart in 1000 miles is not out of line. But on the other hand my exeriences with four Porsches, a 78 Targa, and 88 Carrera, a '99 C2, and now my current '01 C4, all put the lie to that.
  • I disagree totally about it being normal for cars to burn oil. I would agree that as engines get older and have a lot of miles on them, they tend to burn oil a little. But it is definitely not normal for a modern car to burn oil right from the start. My 02 Acura RSX with 115,000 still does not require any oil additions between my 5,000 oil changes. My old '96 Subaru started burning oil around 95,000 which was fine and expected.
    If the Toyota is burning oil then IMHO it is one of 2 things:
    1. The engine is defective. Manufacturers cover their butts by saying its normal, but I'd say its definitely not the experience the vast majority of Toyota owners have and therefore is why I say it is not normal.
    2. The vehicle was ran hard right off the lot and not broken in properly.

    The only engine in which oil consumption is normal right off the bat is a 2-stroke.
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    i don't want to sound sarcastic, but i believe you are the one that isn't in touch with reality.
    a manufacturer may say it's acceptable to add a quart of oil every 3000 miles, but it's not normal. the reason they say it is acceptable is because performance will be the same and the chances are the car will run fine past the 60,000 mile warranty most drive trains now have.
    i'm curious if this is something you just made up, or do you have documentation from a reputable source?
  • verdi942verdi942 Posts: 304
    Hello, bytor42. Interesting real-world info. What, in your opinion, would constitute "run hard off the lot and not broken in properly"?
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    I'm not saying all new engines will burn oil. Most don't, but manufacturing tolerances are not going to be perfect every single time, and some do burn a little oil, for reasons I have already stated. Look around the boards for oil burning discussions, it is not as rare as you apparently think.

    As far as documentation, no, I have not made a practice of storing such info, but I have read of at least a half-dozen manufacturers that say 1 quart per thousand is "acceptable". Not saying I agree with them, and there can be no doubt that there is a strong element of CYA in those statements, but the fact is an engine can function perfectly in terms of power and fuel efficiency, even while burning a little oil. So where is the defect?

    If you are too lazy to check the oil once a month I have no sympathy for you. And to say the engine is "defective" if you have the crushing burden of having to add a $3 quart of oil in 5,000 miles is ridiculous.
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