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2007 Acura TL Type S

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  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    Why did a Mod move my above post to this forum, when it was clearly answering the question asked by "newcarman" in the TL forum?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Because newcarman was asking about "TL non type S" tires and you were talking about tires on the TL-S - weren't you, or did I misunderstand?
  • Anyone know what invoice price is on an '07 Type S w/ automatic and Michelins? Thanks!
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    No... You did understand correctly.
    "newcarman" posted in the wrong place, but he did ask a question and I just wanted to answer it.
    If he doesn't come to this forum, he won't see the answer of the question he asked in the forum he posted to.. that's all.

    As for 07buyer's question, unfortunately, Invoice prices have not yet been posted by Acura.

    Those should be out soon, but I'd plan on spending close to MSRP until Spring sometime anyway.
  • Hey guy thank you for the response, yes i think i posted in the wrong forum but thanks anyways for the answer. What you claim is that the type S has michelins on them?? thanks.

    Also what about the Wheels?? Do you think that i can get the same wheel from the Type S to the regular TL?

    Would you say that the 07 Tl non Type S wheel is somewhat different than the 06?? looks like 2 spoke??

    Thanks again
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    The new wheels on the base TL look very similar to the optional 06 18" wheels (Style-not size)

    I doubt you can get the Type-S wheels on the base TL... unless you're willing to pay for them.
    I haven't asked the cost cause I'm not interested in the base TL.... but if I was, I like the wheels it comes with.

    I know the Type-S is $5,000 more, but after you consider the fact that Navi comes standard (assuming you want Navi), the
    Type-S is only $2,000 more and I personally feel it's worth it. It's also the only way to get the 6-Speed manual.
    The 06 A-Spec package cost more, and didn't offer any additional HP.

    I'm liking the Type-S
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    From a value perspective IF you can get the TL-S for around invoice in a couple of months (roughly 3k off of MSRP), I still think the car offers alot of value for the money.

    My local dealer here in Tampa just got one in and if it is still available I want go drive it to gauge the differences between it and my 05.
  • starman98starman98 Posts: 119
    Most dealers around here want 2-3K above MSRP for a Type S. I advise to wait.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    That's ridiculous!!! Yes, definately WAIT. ;)
  • I just negotiated the TL-07 S to $1000 over invoice in the Chicago area. I made it clear I was almost indifferent between the infinity (g35), Lexus (IS250/350) and BMW 228i. I told him I was basically going to let price decide, and he came back with $1k over invoice (with options of molding, mats, wheel locks, splash guard was $36k).
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Could you tell us what the invoice is for the TL-S?? I can't find those numbers anywhere and I am sure others would like to know what it is well.
  • With the navigation system, automatic, it was 34,450.
    I never actually saw the invoice, but was taking the salesperson at his word. I know several people that have bought from him, and have no reason to not believe him.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Jay Hawk: What Chicago dealer did you buy from?
  • The one near golf and waukegan.
  • Here's my review of the TLS, after buying it last week and driving it for a few days.....
    First, the driving experience:
    Handles very well. Feels very substantial....a bit heavy but solid. I'd challenge the RWD purists to take it on a test drive. I only really feel the FWD pull on sudden acceleration from very low speeds. Engine is powerful. Cabin is quiet. Transmission holds you back a bit...seems geared for a sport mode. I think my gas consumption is the same as my 98 Audi A6. I was hoping for better, as the Audi was AWD, but Acura is going for performance with the TLS, not fuel economy.
    Second, some design opinions:
    I really like the rims. But I think Acura should have offered 18 inch rims in the same style for a reasonably price option. I think the designers did a great job with almost all the other minor cosmetic changes. The smoked chrome looks great and blends with the rims, grill mesh, and everything else. Even the quad exhaust is darkened chrome. It, along with the wheels, gives a more understated appearance and lets you appreciate the sharp design of the car itself. I bought the silver/black two tone interior and think it looks much better than the Taupe. Again, it blends with the rest of the interior. The seats are one of the best things I like. They are firm, yet the leather is soft. They are better bolstered (slightly) than in the TL. And the stitching is sportier. I think the paddle shifters are cheap. They are flimsy plastic, not aluminum like in the BMW's. The big design flaw in my mind is the bulky mirrors. They look like they have bumps, or warts on them due to integrating blinkers (who cares about having blinkers in the mirrors?). I'd rather have sleeker, smaller, balanced looking mirrors.
    Third, a few comments that probably also apply to the 07 TL:
    I love the voice command capability. Using the bluetooth phone works great this way. I use the voice command for nav functions, audio changes, and climate changes....all without taking my hands off the wheels. The rear back up camera is a great enhancement over 06, not gimmicky. The XM radio is crap. No service at my house or my parking garage at work. The XM radio happened to play a song that I also had on my attached Ipod, so I could quickly compare. The Ipod sound quality was vastly superior, I think due to the new Dolby Pro Logic built into the 07's. Except for the radio, the audio is just fantastic. Acura should improve the MP3 interface by allowing you to turn on/off, shuffle songs, and view song titles and album art on the nav screen. Currently the only controls you have is volume and equalizer. Carpeting is OK, but of lower quality (not as dense as Audi). I wish the car had split seats and the BMW smart key start. The one touch start is nice, but it would be great to push a button while keeping the key in your pocket. I'm glad they at least went to a switchblade key, but its slightly bulkier than those from VW/Audi. Finally, I am a bit disappointed in the interior dash. Coming from an Audi, where the fit, finish, and design was first rate, the Acura dash, particularily to the right of the nav screeen, looks clumsy and a bit cheap. My wife thought the metal trim was plastic. Brushed aluminum would be better, or real wood. Acura needs to take a lesson from Audi and Lexus on interior design.
  • Does anyone know if Acura plans to offer an A-SPEC package for the TL this year, or not since Type-S is out? I'm thinking this might be a way to get some more sportiness from a base TL without perhaps some of what may be less desired design elements, such as the Type-S wheels, pedals, etc.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I would think the Type-S and A-SPEC would have too much overlap for Acura to offer both.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    I have read that Acura will be offering an A-SPEC package for the TL-S w/ 19' wheels! I can't see why Acura would offer it for the TL-S and not the TL.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Follow up----

    I went to Acura.com and the front, side and rear underbody spoilers along with the A-SPEC rims are available. I did not see the suspension upgrade though.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "I have read that Acura will be offering an A-SPEC package for the TL-S w/ 19' wheels!"

    I suspect you meant to say 19" not 19'. But either way, that is just plain nuts.

    My former 2002 Honda S2000 with 16" wheels and tires outhandled a base Boxster with 17" wheels and a BMW M Roadster with 18" wheels. But one could remove the tires of a RWD BMW 335i and ride it on the rims and it would outhandle a FWD TL with 19" wheels.

    Oh well, I guess Acura is now catering to the image over substance customer. Maybe I should get a set of 22" rims for our MDX. :confuse:
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    WHY in the world did you buy a TL w/ a manual tranny?

    I bought mine because it was a good blend of performance, luxury, technology and value- NOT because it would out handle or beat the 3er, IS, G and everything else under the sun on a track.

    I stopped driving cars like it was stolen about 15 years ago. Whenever I see people drive like that the word "jackass" comes to mind because it's unsafe- bottom line.

    The TL has plenty of "substance" and most people who buy the A-SPEC model want that "look" and 19" rims only further cater to those tastes.

    If you want 22"s on your MDX- knock yourself out.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I bought my TL 6-speed for exactly the same reasons as you - good blend of performance, luxury, technology and value. And I'm very happy with it - for what it is.

    So excuse me, but when I see Acura offering - and some people buying 19" wheels on a FWD family sedan - a similar word comes to mind for me. Or maybe more diplomatically, "sucker". The summer tires that came with my 6-speed lasted 17,000 miles with me driving it like a family sedan. That's less than I got out of my Honda S2000 (16") and probably less than I'll get out of our 911 (19"), although I still didn't/don't play Mario Andretti with either.

    So if someone wants the "look" of 19" wheels on a TL, I'll agree that that's their perogative. I'd ask that you agree to show no sympathy when they post a complaint that they need new $300+ 30-series W-rated tires in 6,000 miles because of front plowing wear and other issues that Dr. Porsche or Enzo Ferrari wouldn't be able to overcome in a 62/38 weighted FWD family sedan.

    The TL does indeed have a lot of "substance" and I apologize for my excessive criticism of their catering to the image demographic. But I know it's not an M5. And I'm too old to embarass myself trying to get it to "look" like one. Sometimes less is more, if you get my drift.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "I'd ask that you agree to show no sympathy when they post a complaint that they need new $300+ 30-series W-rated tires in 6,000 miles because of front plowing wear and other issues that Dr. Porsche or Enzo Ferrari wouldn't be able to overcome in a 62/38 weighted FWD family sedan."

    Agreed. I will speculate that those who choose to put 19" or greater size rims matched with low profile tires will definately be from a younger breed without having high expectations of extended tread wear.

    "But I know it's not an M5. And I'm too old to embarass myself trying to get it to "look" like one."

    Agreed.

    "Sometimes less is more, if you get my drift."

    Agreed as well but different strokes for different folks...
  • I bought my TL-S on Tuesday. The car drives very well. I have driven a BMW since 1997, and taken 2 BMW's to the race track for a couple weekends of learning how to race (Road America in Wisconsin). There is no question in my mind that the TL-S handles just as well as the BMW's. I could barely tell it is FWD (unlike when I drive a Maxima). I am sure there are differences when going around a turn at 50 MPH, but for most of my driving now, the car is a fun ride, and handles as well as I will need. I am hoping to take it out on the track next summer and see how it performs there.

    Only thing I would change is to make the call AWD or RWD (although RWD may not be good in Chicago). I like the navigation system, and how everything is integrated, and love the ride. I was really worried I was taking a step down from my previous car, but after a few days, don't worry about that anymore.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,645
    "I bought my TL 6-speed for exactly the same reasons as you - good blend of performance, luxury, technology and value..."

    Ahem. I believe that you forgot to mention the TL's fabulous exterior styling and handsomely functional interior! :D

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • I love driving my new TLS, but after only a week with the car, I just noticed highly visible scrape marks on one of my wheels. I've been careful and don't recall hitting a curb. The rubber isn't even marked, but the smokey paint/finish on the wheels scraped off and it looks terrible. Anyone know how this can be repaired? Are these rims are coated with a paint or something else? Anyone else scrape their wheels?
  • pommipommi Posts: 7
    Hi,
    I'd like to hear from anyone having moved from an A4 to a TL-S, in particular about experiences going from AWD to FWD.
    Thanks.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    I knew those painted wheels would be an issue :mad:
    I hate painted wheels...
    I'd love to see anodized wheels, but painting them makes no sense at all.

    Any idea if you can get touchup paint from Acura for the wheels?
  • rw66rw66 Posts: 1
    Initial impressions: Color is the Kinetic Blue. This color is nicer in person than pictures show. Would prefer a little darker though. I'm not a fan of the wheels, but, like the color, they are nicer in person than pictures show. Torque steer is not an issue - I think Acura is limiting the torque on take-off. This could cut into 0-60 times though. Speaking of which, here are my guesses... 0-60 in 5.6. 1/4 mile in 14.3. The car pulls more once it gets moving. A later test with my g-timer will confirm these numbers. One thing of note is the sound system. It is AWESOME. Listen to the sample DVD that comes with the car and you will be sold. Fit and finish is nice. Handling is good but they put these junk Michelins tires on stock (I was hoping for the Potenzas). Might swap those out soon. XM and NAV are of high quality and work better than most. That's all I can think of now. If you have specific questions, let me know!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "Listen to the sample DVD that comes with the car and you will be sold."

    Don't fall for that trick! My experience with my '04 TL is that the sampler DVD sounds better than almost any other DVD-A disc currently commercially available. :cry: I have a tough time detecting the sound quality difference between the DVD-A discs I've bought, and a regular CD (depending on the artist and songs).
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