Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Buying a Used 3-Series

1141517192037

Comments

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    I don't think you'll find many (any?) extended warranties that cover wiper blades, brake pads and the like. But what I've heard is that a clutch replacement on a 3 Series can run $1400+. An automatic? On a non-BMW they can easily be $2000-3000; I'd hate to see what it would be on a 3 Series. And no, those are not things I could do myself in my garage (which is about -5 F right now). Wiper blades? Yes!
  • Looking to sell my blue metallic 2003 325i w/ 116k miles on it (~$36k msrp when new). Been a great car but unfortunately it is time to sell it and get a family car with a little one on the way. It's in great shape, with all routine oil changes and tune ups done. No accidents and only one small defect to body underneath grill in an unnoticeable location. 1 owner w/ mostly highway miles. Avg. mpg since owning it has been 25.7 mpg. Leather, premium package, cold weather package. Just installed new window regulators in 2008 and put on new tires in late summer 2007. I'll be taking some pictures over the next week if anyone is interested and am willing to sell it at a nice discount to KBB ($9k) since trading it in only gets me $6-$7k. Located in New England.

    Take care.
  • Purchased a 2006xit wagon with premium package, sport package and cold weather package with 34,000 mi for $27,500.

    This is a CPO
    0.9% financing for 60 months.
    BMW to make first two months payments.

    We still have not taken delivery due to the fact one of the heated washers for the headlights was damaged during detailing and the part needed to be ordered...sounds a bit fishy.

    There are so few of these vehicles out there..just trying to make sure we didn't get ripped off too bad before taking delivery. If the dealer keeps giving us the runaround can we say no to the deal? No money down and no trade involved. Thanks for any input.
  • srs_49srs_49 Posts: 1,394
    I don't worry much about clutches. My '87 BMW with 188,000 miles is still on the original clutch, as is my '92 Sentra SE-R, with 144,000 miles.

    And I don't worry about automatic transmissions on BMW's because I won't own one with an automatic.

    So for me, an extended warranty makes no financial sense.

    I understand about the -5 F in the garage. My son is in Rochester, MN, and he hasn't felt like crawling under his cars since Thanksgiving!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    Funny thing about the clutches... I was ready to jump on a 2000 323i this fall, had only 43k miles. Called the dealer and they said it was in the shop for a new clutch and so I couldn't drive it yet. Several days later it was ready and the price had gone up $1400 because of the clutch repair. Fooey, I thought, a car advertised from a dealer should be in working order, clutch included, so I looked elsewhere. Got a 2000 328Ci. After a few weeks I noticed the clutch would slip sometimes. That car had only 69k on it. Then the fuel pump failed ($800) and I found out that the part to make the moonroof shade work right was $1000, I unloaded that puppy.

    Trannies aren't the only expensive things on 3 Series that can break.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,015
    Trannies aren't the only expensive things on 3 Series that can break

    That's especially true when you walk into a dealer who charges outrageous prices, throw them your credit card, and grab you ankles. Happens EVERY time...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Yup, you can buy a clutch kit from Bav Auto for $250. Anyone paying $1400 for a new clutch is either a billionaire, and idiot, or both.
  • srs_49srs_49 Posts: 1,394
    Trannies aren't the only expensive things on 3 Series that can break.

    Amen to that one!
  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,676
    I could buy a clutch for $250, but then I would just sit there and look at it much like a caveman would look at a microwave. The BMW places around here won't install parts that you bring it, so what's next? $1400 does seem a little high, but not idiot high.
  • srs_49srs_49 Posts: 1,394
    I could buy a clutch for $250, but then I would just sit there and look at it much like a caveman would look at a microwave. The BMW places around here won't install parts that you bring it, so what's next? $1400 does seem a little high, but not idiot high.

    Agreed.

    When I bought my '87 back in 1999, the clutch was the one big ticket item I was worried about. I asked the shop I sometimes use what the price would be to replace it and they said (can't remember exactly) $750 or $950. Since I was getting a good deal on the car, I said "hey, i can live with that".

    So, given that that was almost 10 years ago, and the fact that my '87 is probably easier to work on than the newer models (just guessing here), $1400 doesn't sound too bad.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Sorry, but $1400 is crazy high. A quality private shop will charge $80 to $100/hour.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    In this case it was a car dealer who paid the $1400 for the new clutch. You'd think they'd know better than to throw their money out the window like that on a clutch repair! :surprise:

    I know it's hard for some people to believe that not everyone is willing or able to do their own major repairs on a BMW, or that emergency situations come up that leave little or no choice for course of action. But that is reality. If it makes those folks feel nice and smug and superior because they've never been in those kinds of situations, how wonderful for them.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,015
    In this case it was a car dealer who paid the $1400 for the new clutch. You'd think they'd know better than to throw their money out the window like that on a clutch repair!

    Not necessarily. It's also possible that they told you it cost $1400 so you'd think that you were getting a good deal on the car.

    I know it's hard for some people to believe that not everyone is willing or able to do their own major repairs on a BMW

    No, but it is hard to believe that some people aren't willing to seek out good dealers and shops that perform quality work at fair prices. For example, for just $40 per year you can join BMW CCA which will get you:
    Significant discounts at many dealers and shops
    The ability to obtain advice about your car and local shops from other CCA members in your area
    Access to technical advisors

    emergency situations come up that leave little or no choice for course of action

    You called the $800 fuel pump dealer because you didn't know a local shop to call, correct?

    But that is reality.

    For you, maybe.

    If it makes those folks feel nice and smug and superior because they've never been in those kinds of situations, how wonderful for them.

    I've owned nine BMWs over the past 25 years, most of them over five years old. Currently I run a 2004, a 1995, and a 1975. It's not a question of being "smug and superior". It's a question of being prepared by doing your homework. You bought one seven year old BMW and had it serviced by a dealer who charges out the wazoo- then you sell it less than four months after you bought it. Based on that extensive experience you continue to post about expensive BMW repairs. I'm not saying BMWs are the cheapest cars to maintain, but a little due diligence and common sense goes a long way when running an older BMW. I'm sorry you got hosed by your dealer, but for about every horror story about expensive BMW service costs I can point you to someone who runs an older BMW for less than $600-$700 per year.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Last winter my clutch literally self destructed, punching 2 large holes through the bell housing. I wasn't about to replace my clutch on jackstands in my unheated garage, so I took it to a local shop that has done some work for me in the past.

    They ordered me a Sachs HD clutch kit, and also took my bell housing to a welder they know who works on aluminum. They charged me $800 for everything - parts and labor.

    My response about paying $1400 for a clutch was in the context of the original point, re: buying an extended warranty. It's just my personal opinion that paying $1500 in advance for something that may or may not happen doesn't make sense. Why not put that money in a savings account and if you need it, fine - if you don't, then you've got $1500 in your pocket.

    If you are going to own any car out of warranty, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find out where the good shops are in your area. Whether it's a BMW, Acura, or whatever, there are dozens of enthusiast websites you can visit and do a search - you'll find out who the enthusiasts recommend and use.

    If you're driving through BFE and you have a breakdown, all I can say is, buyer beware.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    You called the $800 fuel pump dealer because you didn't know a local shop to call, correct?

    I had my BMW towed to the nearest dealer because I had to get to an appointment ASAP, my car was sitting in the middle of a drivelane in an airport parking ramp, it was bitterly cold, and my alternate shop (which I had done research on beforehand, btw) was 30 miles across town during Friday rush hour and not a practical alternative under the circumstances.

    Maybe if I had 25 years of BMW ownership experience instead of a few weeks (at that time) I would have done something differently. Maybe not though.

    Empathy can be useful. You might try it sometime.

    ... for about every horror story about expensive BMW service costs I can point you to someone who runs an older BMW for less than $600-$700 per year.

    In other words, the odds of having an expensive BMW ownership experience vs. a lower-cost one is about 50-50. Not great odds, IMO. Glad I got rid of my nine year old (not seven, subtract 2009 - 2000) 3 Series when I did. Great car, just not the best car for me at this time.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    No need to be acerbic Backy.

    BMW's aren't the only cars that suffer fuel pump failures. It doesn't matter if you've owned BMW's for 25 years or 25 minutes.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    No, and there's no need to talk about tossing people credit cards and bending over, is there?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    There've been plenty of unnecessary comments all around. Let's move on, please.
  • I was looking at a 2004 330i CPO with leather, navigation, HK sound system, premium/sport package. The thing is that it's at 84,653 miles.

    It's going for $12,995 at the moment.

    Would it be a big mistake to look into this car at all? Also, I'm still confused about CPO warranty coverage.
    Does the 6/100k mean that either in 2010, or after I've driven 16k miles (taking it to 100k) it would be out of warranty? Or is it 6 years/100k miles from now?

    Thank you much!
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,015
    The CPO warranty continues to six years from the in service date- that is, when the car was first sold/leased. And the mileage warranty ends at 100K miles on the vehicle odometer. The car will easily go 200K miles, but you cannot scrimp on maintenance. I'd want to see a full service history and I'd also have the car checked out by a good BMW techg. FWIW, I'm currently considering buying a 2003 540i 6 speed manual- with no warranty whatsoever. It all depends on your comfort zone...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

Sign In or Register to comment.