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Pontiac Grand Prix Engine fires 3800 series II 1996-2003



  • they called me back and said that some one would be here in a few days. do you think they'll help???
  • tommy231tommy231 Posts: 27 lled-due-to-engine/

    I want to thank everyone for their patience while this problem was root-caused. I want to believe our diligence helped bring closure to this long-standing concern. Well at least it is potential closure for those of us that haven't had a fire yet.
  • bedensbedens Posts: 23
    I am glad they are finally recalling them but what about those of us who have lost our vehicles to fires? What do we get?
  • jodi 84

    My car also caught on fire. I haven't been able to contact anyone besides NHTSA. Who did you contact?
  • gtp03dawgtp03daw Posts: 16
    So has anyone heard anything about those of us that had a total loss where GM did nothing ? They also denied my "mechanical failure" claim under my so called bumber to bumber warranty when it went up in flames in '03. And whats a "comming" recall in the link on # 151 ?

    It's been almost 2.5 years since I notified NTHSA...
  • bedensbedens Posts: 23
    the NTHSA contacted me and has done nothing. It has been 2 years since my grand prix burned. My brother works for a GM dealership and he told me this morning the only ones they are recalling are the supercharged grand prixs. Mine wasn't supercharged. I want to know what they are going to do about those of us who have already lost our vehicles.
  • jmac74jmac74 Posts: 10
    My car caught on fire in Feb of 06' while I was driving was a super-charged 2000 GTP and it was a total loss...I have talked to several of you on-line through the past two years and we have been ignored as if we don't even exist. It is time to show the big company that we do exist. All of us who have lost our cars and have nothing to show for it should be entitled to some sort of compensation because of this recall. This proves that GM made a bad piece and we probably have a better chance in court now. We should aggressively work together and form a class action, I think we have a better opportunity now. There is proof that something was wrong with their product. Who's with me!!!!
  • jpstax1jpstax1 Posts: 197
    I just read this in my daily newspaper:

    The important message in the article is do not park your car in a garage until the problem is fixed.
  • msschm22msschm22 Posts: 5
    I lost my 1999 gtp to a fire in jan 2006 and I have not seen a thing from it other than a well we dont know of anything going wrong apology back then I am in Parker Colorado and am wondering if anyone is getting anywhere or if we all need to do a class action.
    I can be reached at m s c h m i t t @ impact elecom. com Please note there are not really any spaces but had to do that to get it in here. I think all of us need some way of coming together as there is strength in numbers.

    I am willing to try and keep a list and be a head of this if you all want to send me emails, I will try to keep a distribution list going for us all to keep in touch
  • I'm so glad they have finally recalled these vehicles. I hope the one's that still have the cars get the money they deserve. In my case I didn't have it long enough (15 days) for it to be in my name, so I couldn't proceed on getting anything done. Good luck to you all. It's funny they say it's from a oil leak, I have been a mechanic for 17 years and checked this thing over from head to toe and never had any leaks what-so-ever. But I did run the crap out of it right before I parked it and it burned. So it could be under hard braking that it leaks. No way to tell when its burned up.
  • I'm with you. Exactly what I was thinking.
  • jessica9jessica9 Posts: 12
    I also have a Gt the burned totally and is still sitting in my driveway. I was one of the first ones to contact the NSHTa and they contacted me also but also have done nothing for me. There are quite a few GTs that have also burned. They are the same engine so why are they not recalling the GTs too? I am going to contact the papers arunf Chicago maybe that will get their attention about the GTs
  • jessica9jessica9 Posts: 12
    Funny thing the just did a recall I just read in my local paper that FORD has had a couple incidents of car fires and have already done a recall. Whatis wrong with GM?I still thimk something should be done. Whoever posted about a class action lawsuit I'm with you, All cars with the 3800 series II engines need to be included
  • bedensbedens Posts: 23
    I don't what their problem is. I have tried getting this story on Oprah but haven't heard from her office since I submitted the story. I am still trying though. Jmac said something about a civil action lawsuit a couple of years ago but haven't heard anything from him on that. Most attorneys don't want the case because no one has gotten hurt or died that I know of. It's all about the money to them. Saving lives means nothing anymore.
  • msossamamsossama Posts: 4
    You can add me to the list. Mine started on fire 3/13/08. I got the recall notice on 3/15/08. I had no idea regarding these fires. My email is
    I have registered a complaint with the NHSTA and the Federal Trade Commission. I called Pontiac on 3/14/2008 and they still haven't called me back. They have transferred my case to 3 different allogations reps today alone.
  • msossamamsossama Posts: 4
    Count me in!
  • grngtpgrngtp Posts: 14
    I've owned my 98 GTP since 98 when it was purchased new. At 2 years and 14K it kicked a rod out during normal driving and new long block was installed under warranty. At about 6 months later at 18K the supercharger was replaced because the oil was leaking from the front seal. It wasn't dripping oil but was being slung by the spinning pulley and was visible on the firewall and hood insulation. In spite of these problems I am really pleased with the car and have felt very confident that I’d be driving it home, no matter how long the trip. The car only has 50K miles mainly from driving vacations.

    The letter arrived in the mail Monday, Mar. 17, and my immediate response was my car is well maintained and in excellent condition, this couldn‘t happen to me. A Google search turned up this forum and my confidence in the safety of the car dropped.

    One common thread in the fires reported here is that the fire starts about 10-15 minutes after stopping or during low/idle speed running. That suggests some type of heat soak phenomena. I looked at the engine today and everything was dry - no oil anywhere. What was apparent was the fuel lines that are just above the drive gears of the supercharger. If the supercharger is low on or out of oil, it would run very hot. The heat that would be carried away while the car was moving at speed would be trapped by the engine cover after stopping. The fuel lines would heat soak under the cover and temperatures and pressure may exceed seal limits resuting in a gas leak.

    Have any of the fires occurred in vehicles that have had the supercharger oil level maintained? I’ve added over 4 oz in 32K miles and I think the capacity is 8 oz. I can’t see any obvious leaks. The manual says to check the level every 30K or 36 months, which seems optimistic to me.

    I am having some difficulty understanding how oil can get on the exhaust manifold to a degree that it will ignite 10-15 minutes after stopping. I don’t think anyone has remarked that they noticed a strong oil smell when leaving the vehicle. If someone has more information about the oil theory, please share what you know.
  • gtp03dawgtp03daw Posts: 16
    Well..Just an update here. I recieved my "Huston we have a problem" letter from GM saying thier "still gearing" up on "supplies" needed to replace. I contacted Pontiac last week after hearing the news about 1999 - 2003 GTP's recall. When they called back I was told that "GM needs more time to identify the involved vin numbers." I replied that they ALREADY HAD AT LEAST ONE and that 5yrs ( in my case ) was more than ample time. I've posted their responce and contacts for general enjoyment. We need to keep the preasure up until they take care of us that experienced total loss and zero reimbursement...

    Service Request: XX-XXXXXXXXX
    Relationship Specialist: Chris Roberts

    Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX

    Thank you for contacting the Pontiac Customer Assistance Center. We appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to the reimbursement
    inquiry for your 19991 Pontiac Grand Prix. We would like to extend our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this concern has caused. Based
    on the information that we have here, General Motors is still doing an extensive investigation hand in hand with National Highway Traffic Safety

    Due to parts availability, corrective action will occur in two stages. First, a “customer advisory letter” is being sent to each involved customer of
    record. This letter will explain the situation and provide precautionary measures that a customer can take until their vehicle is repaired. The letter was
    mailed on March 13, 2008.

    The second stage will be the release of Safety Recall Bulletin #07035 to all Pontiac and Buick dealers. This will occur once an adequate supply of
    recall parts is available. At that time, all involved customers of record will be notified via a second letter to bring their vehicle in for the required repair.

    As per our conversation a while ago, I advise you to wait for further notification from General Motors. I have created a file regarding this matter and the
    Service request number is 71-612614273. This serves as your reference number regarding this issue.

    If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message or call our Pontiac Customer Assistance Center at 1- 800-762-2737.
    Customer Relationship Specialists are available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

    Again, thank you for contacting Pontiac.
    The Pontiac Consumer Support Team
  • I had a 99 GTP engine fire in April 2006. I contacted GM at the time of the fire but I had already turned the car over to my insurance company so nothing could really be done...until now. After receiving notification of the recall I contacted GM. They have been more than helpful. I am in the process of getting together all of the documents they requested (ie: insurance claim, letter outlining loss degree, etc.). I am confident GM will be reimbursing me my insurance deductible ($500) at the very least. A class action suit could take years. Yes, the idea of it sounds appealing but I plan to see what GM will do for me first. I reccommend contacting GM if you experienced a total loss. For everyone else, get the problem fixed asap and be thankful you didn't lose your car yet!!!! Thank goodness for this forum, I have been following it since the fire!
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