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2006 BMW X3 vs Acura RDX

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "Particularly the part where it dials '911' when your airbags deploy...."

    It does that??! :surprise: :blush:

    Now, regarding voice command on the TL, I tend to agree with you on this one. I still feel kinda dumb when there are other passesngers in the car, when I suddenly bark out, in a loud, monotone, robotic voice, "Air Conditioner On", or "CD Play Disc 1", or "Fan Speed 2", or..... :blush:
  • When airbags deploy on an On Star equipped vehicle a signal is sent to On Star. They call the car via the system. If you don't respond to tell them you're OK, they notify authorities with your location and tell them that there appears to have been an accident. Sounds like a great feature to me - one that could really save your bacon.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    are really handy for my wife and I. With the seat in her position I cannot even get into the RX, have to "reset" it to my position first.
  • Good post. There is a feel to driving a European car that the Japanese just haven't decoded yet.

    I know the RDX is the "right" vehicle to replace/upgrade my Jeep Liberty (which has been excellent) when it comes off lease next year, and I've had Hondas. But I'm likely going with the Land Rover LR2 or BMW X3 instead. A few trips to the dealer? A small price for something that gives me pleasure everytime I drive it.
    :)
  • I'm considering replacement for my 2001 Lexus RX300. Thought RDX was logical because it is same size as the "old" RX 300, and I want something with a bit more in the "fun to drive" quotient. Thanks to the folks at Curry Acura in NYC suburbs, was able to take a 30 minute test drive today in a Tech-package RDX (gussied up with running boards, roof rack and odd wood grained dash pieces) in unbelievable "real world" conditions: torrential rains, twisties with wet leaves, interstates, parkways with ponded water.

    Here are some impressions:

    Pros: Phenomenal stability and acceleration, rock solid cornering, fantastic traction, intuitive ergonomics. Seems roomy enough for my family of 3.

    Cons: Sorry, but the ride is simply too stiff for me... I felt every seam and bump in the road, and I can't imagine taking a really long ride on secondary roads, as I do when we visit in-laws in Vermont. Because of the turbo "bump" on the hood, had trouble seeing over it for good visibility. Thought the side view mirrors were way too small, compared to the Lexus.

    So I'm back to square one... had really hoped this would be slam-dunk for me, but think that the stiff ride is a deal-breaker. Any thoughts from the group?

    ed
  • I have to agree on the value of memory seats. I park in NYC garages 5 days a week, and the seats and mirrors are always adjusted.
    The value of voice command depends on the features in the car (and the owner's willingness to learn how to use it). For cars equipped with navigation and satellite radio, speaking a few words is safer and easier than using the dials and buttons while driving.

    Homelink, auto-dimming mirrors, auto climate control - of course none of it is absolutely necessary, but they are nice to have.
  • Did the car you drove happen to have the 19" wheels? I think with the std 18" wheels, the ride is not as stiff. If you decide to go for a 2nd test drive, bring your tire pressure gauge to make sure the tires are not over inflated.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I test drove one with the standard 18" wheels and thought the ride was plenty stiff. However, as you suggested, the tires may have been over-inflated.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    You're really not very likely to find an SUV that compares favorably with your RX300 insofar as ride comfort and softness are concerned. I keep vacilating between converting mine to rear biased AWD or going with the X3.
  • Does the 07 X3 have a softer ride than the RDX?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    The Silliest Feature of All Time award goes to Acura's voice command brain on its recent cars.

    I couldn't disagree more. After driving my 06 TL for couple of months, I now talk to everybody like I do to my TL. Wait, that could be considered a drawback. BUT, I prefer voice commands to fiddling with buttons now. There are instances when the NAV forces me to use the buttons (to enter city/street number/name, that I wish could be done using voice too.

    And I'm hoping moonroof and windows will also be tied to voice commands soon. :blush:
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    But it will only get better with/as technology improves.

    There are lots of distractions, way too many, in driving a car that would be best if that/those, ancillary functions requiring manual intervention, could go away. One of the reasons I dearly LOVE cruise control, allows me to devote more of my senses to actual driving issues.
  • 2007 X3 vs. RDX - I've looked at (but not driven) both vehicles. I actually prefer the exterior looks and interior ergonomics of the Acura, but think the "je ne sais quoi" of the X3 seems more luxurious/sophisticated in that European way (what's up with the tacky pinstripes on the RDX!). Based on what I've read, my main concern with the RDX is the inconsistent gas mileage (I can live with the rated EPA) and the reliability of a first year car. I know Acuras are generally at the top of reliability ranks, but does anyone know Acura's track record for first year products? What have new X3 buyers been experiencing with gas mileage? Also, I'm planning to purchase the vehicle for the long haul (8 to 10 years), and I have heard terrible things about BMW long term reliability and repair costs. The X3 receives an "average" reliability rating from Consumer Reports, being no better or worse than similar cars. What should I expect in terms of long term costs for the X3 vs. RDX? I heard BMW offers long term service contracts; if so, would this be a good idea? Thanks.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...inconsistent gas mileage..."

    My son-in-law just bought a BMW convertible. After driving the one with manual transmission he chose the Tiptronic one because he felt that with the manual he would be too often tempted to "go for it".

    I don't disagree.

    Self-discipline.

    Probably the same problem with a twin turbo engine.

    I wonder if one could easily modify the RDX's onset of turbo boost to say, beyond half-throttle.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "I wonder if one could easily modify the RDX's onset of turbo boost to say, beyond half-throttle."

    That would be like getting a date with the prettiest girl in school, but promising her dad you wouldn't kiss her! :blush:
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    No, that would just enable me to NOT kiss her in front of her dad.
  • ...pinstripes on the RDX!

    What pinstripes? I've been to several dealers in LA/OC area & non of the RDXs I've seen have pin stripes. It may be something your dealer is adding, or the region of the country your in.

    ...does anyone know Acura's track record for first year products?

    Consumer Reports, October 2005 shows 1st, 2nd & 3rd year reliability for newly designed models from most car manufacturers. It does not list Acura separately from Honda.
    Their chart shows the average number of problems per 100 vehicles.

    Honda had the fewest problems with 20 for the 1st yr & about the same for the 2nd & 3rd yr. BMW had the most problems with approx 80 for the 1st yr, 70 for the 2nd yr, & 35 for the 3rd yr.

    The avg for all mfrs was 40 for the 1st yr, 35 for the 2nd yr & 30 for the 3rd yr.

    So if you've got to have that BMW, wait until at least the 3rd model yr, when they are only slightly worse than avg.
  • At the dealer near me in Baltimore, all RDX on lot have double pinstripes at top crease along body. The pinstripes are not color coded to body color and have an Acura "A" on front door panel within pinstripes.

    Thanks for the helpful Consumer Reports info. I think that's a great testiment to expected reliability of Honda/Acura in first year and beyond. You have put that concern to rest for me.

    Now, the gas mileage thing...

    Any expectation that RDXs might be discounted by a few thousand sooner rather than later?
  • $34.7k for the tech package, is the best I've seen so far. It was posted on another site.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    You wascally wabbit! :P
  • bikerjohn,

    I cannot comment on the 07 X3 ride vs the RDX, but ride quality was a concern of ours when we were considering purchasing a 2006 X3 for my wife. I had read so many articles on the stiff ride of the X3 that I was not originally considering it. But the salesman at the BMW dealer convinced my wife and I to take a test drive, and we immediately liked the X3 and bought one (2006 model).

    The X3 we test drove had the standard 17" wheels and no sport suspension. Tne one we bought has the optional 18" wheels but without the sport suspension which we purposely avoided.

    I also have a 2006 330Xi, and on less than ideal roads, such as pot holes, construction anomolies, etc., my wife's X3 rides more comfortably than my 330Xi, as its more compliant and handles severe bumps better.

    Bruce
  • I've always liked the X3 very much. And in honesty, the RDX I purchased recently had more to do with not being able to afford the BMW price of entry on the X3 than anything else (I purchase/finance, no desire to lease). From that angle the RDX is a massive no-brainer. BMW's are pricey. The only Bimmer that I'd pay a premium for might be a 3 series sedan, which even @ $40K may be the best damn sedan on the planet.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "(I purchase/finance, no desire to lease)."

    BMWs often present a better deal thru leasing though.
  • >>BMWs often present a better deal thru leasing though.<<

    Not for me. Buy 'em, pay 'em off, drive 'em for 100-200K miles. Which will work with Japanese cars. Gets a bit dicey with some Euro cars unfortunately. Nothing is better than a high quality import that's PAID FOR. Quite a concept if you're into leasing. I used to be.

    College costs loom. Try leasing THAT.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Nothing is better than a high quality import car that's PAID FOR.

    I second that. As it stands now, bought a 1998 Accord nine years ago, paid it off in 2.5 years, and 163K miles later couldn't be happier. More so, not having to make a car payment in 6.5 years.

    Looking forward to similar experience with 2006 TL (and Accord will continue to be driven on the side).
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,972
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  • I stopped @ the BMW showroom today and gave the 2007 X3 a close look. GORGEOUS car. I can see why somebody might go for that over an RDX. Is it worth the $7K premium over a comparably equipped RDX? As always, it's your dough. But if I were leasing instead of buying that might be very tempting.

    It's all good. I like my RDX too. Not quite as nice as a BMW in some respects - on the other hand within 3-4 years the car will be PAID FOR : ). An novel concept to half the BMW drivers out there I suspect (I was one of them, I leased my 2001 BMW 540i for 3 years).

    By the way the RDX and the new 260hp BMW X3 are just about identical in performance specifications...
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Also keep in mind when weighting competitive values that the X3 is available with a manual transmission. And since it is rear torque biased it is therefore most definitely a much safer SUV choice than ANY front torque biased one

    Biggest (only?) shortcoming for me is the inability of buying a set of actual BMW repair/shop manuals.
  • >> And since it is rear torque biased it is therefore most definitely a much safer SUV choice than ANY front torque biased one <<

    I really think that's mostly hooey. The SH AWD on the Acura is rock solid.
  • Safer? Perhaps Peppy!
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