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Dodge Ram Towing Questions

bigriverbigriver Posts: 1
I very recently purchased a 2006 3500 dually Mega Cab and I'm very happy with the truck so far. I've driven Chevy's for over 20 years, but with all things being considered, the Dodge won the contest in my mind with the inovation of the Mega Cab.
My question is I'm having difficulty finding the weight capacity while ingaged in 5th wheel towing. The Dodge web site indicated the weight being 13,550 lbs. ( with my 3.73 ) gear ratio. Checking out the Gm and Ford web sites, their stats show that the capacity increases while towing with a 5th wheel over conventional towing.
I spoke with someone from customer service with Dodge and they replied that 5th wheel towing doesn't add any benifit to weight capacities.
I dissagree with that due to the fact that the weight of the trailer is distributed a greater percentage over the truck with the front suspension sharing some weight.
So......, any thoughts on the subject? I'm now in the market of a very large 5th wheel travel trailer, and I hate to have to needlessly cut back on my selection due to a too consevative estimate of 5th wheel towing capacities from the manufacter. Thanks for help and opinions !!!
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  • KCRam@EdmundsKCRam@Edmunds Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,495
    Since the Mega Cab dually is a shortbox, your fifth is very likely directly over or slightly rearward of the axle centerline. This means your front suspension is not picking up any of the pin weight. As such, the tow rating difference between a fifth and a receiver is insignificant.

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  • hey guys i just bought a 1998 ram 2500 p/u 4x4 5.9L with 3.55 axle ratio 4speed auto trans.i do not see any external oil or trans. coolers. i will occasionally be towing a 29 foot travel trailer gvw is 6300lbs. will this combo.work or not thanks for your help
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    I'm not sure what the maximum towing rating is for your configuration. If this truck is going to be towing 6300 pounds for any distances, I would full maintenance the transmission and differential, and install an auxilary transmission oil cooler.

    Regards,
    Dusty
  • hey dusty thanks for the response and info. my truck does have a factory combination oil & trans. cooler,they did a real good job of hiding it between the rad.and a/c cond.i have talked to several people and they feel i am not overworking the truck. i live in ma. and only plan on going to upstate new york about 1000 miles round trip once.i did plan on flushing the trans. & diff. dodge says max. towing cap. is 8600lbs. thanks again ,kevin
  • tent2tttent2tt Posts: 46
    I am trying to find a reliable truck with as good gas mileage as possible that can tow a maximum 5,500 lbs hard sided (not fold-down) travel trailer (that's the GVWR fully loaded up + 2 passengers) without overtaxing the engine going up hill and while still getting decent gas mileage towing and around town (particularly around town). Decent gas mileage to me is at least 20 mpg when not towing. I have now heard from two people who use a Tacoma to tow up to 5,000 lbs. and feel that it works quite well while still getting 12-17 mpg. Can anyone give me a reason why I should get a Dodge Ram 2500 with Cummins Turbocharged diesel instead? I have seen numerous posts on travel trailer sites by people saying that they can get 20mpg empty and 11-15 mpg towing (heavier weights than my prospective TT)and I am impressed with the fact that these are being manufactured now to comply with 2010 clean emission standards (while the Tacomas air pollution rating sucks), but the overall reliablility ratings and the postings by current Dodge owners about the problems they are having getting Dodge to fix things under warranty make me lean toward Toyota. Are there particular Dodge Ram years, models and engines that I should look for or avoid? Are their enough 2007 owners of Crew Cab 6.7L TCD Cummins to share their experiences? Any input from Dodge owners would be appreciated! I want the best truck for the job.
  • titanium29titanium29 Posts: 38
    Good question. I have actually done both. I used to have a PreRunner Taco with the 6 cylinder engine and an auto tranny. I pulled a "ultra light" travel trailer that weighed in the 5300lbs area. While the engine would pull it, it really couldn't do so on cruise with even the slightest hills without kicking up and down. But the bigger issue I felt was stability. I had a anti-sway and leveling control on the hitch. Even with that, I was usually "white knuckled" pulling it. It just felt like the trailer was going to come past me at any moment. With my family in the truck, it just unnerved me. Then I went to the Tundra with the 4.7. Better stability, but not enough power for the fifth wheel I traded the TT in on. So, finally I arrive at the Ram with the Cummins diesel, an auto and the mega cab. I too was concerned about the quality difference. But I have to tell you, I REALLY Like this truck. The torque pulls on cruise at 70, and your biggest worry is forgetting the big thing is back there. I have about 8500 miles on it, and haven't had any issues to date with the truck. My family loves the room too. If it were a Chrysler engine, I wouldn't have considered it. But Cummins knows Diesel engines. Someday, when Toyota puts a diesel in their new Tundra, I may go back. But for now, I like this Ram. Oh, and my mileage doing 70 miles per hour is about 14, but does go as high at 16. But, diesel is a bit cheaper than unleaded these days too. Hope this helps.
  • tent2tttent2tt Posts: 46
    Thanks for your response, titanium29, you got right to the heart of my concern--and it's all the more helpful to hear from someone who has owned both. I still have a few questions, if you don't mind sharing more of your experience:

    Is that 14-16 mpg empty or towing with the Dodge Ram 2500? I read somewhere that the older 12 valve Cummins diesels actually got better gas milage than the newer 24 valve ones, but I am not sure what year they changed over to the 24 and wouldn't want to get too old of one used (plus buying used is more of a gamble, so I do lean toward new unless there's a particular prior year that shines).

    In the 07 models, I was looking at the 2500 SLT Quad cab with either of the Cummins engines. Which Cummins engine did you get--the 5.9L HO or the 6.7L? Do you know if there a difference in quality and/or fuel efficiency between the two?

    I have heard that a long bed increases stability, but would I notice it towing a 5000 lb TT?

    Did you go with 2 x 4 or 4 x 4? I am going on dirt roads with washboards and some sand (i.e Southern Utah backroads), but am concerned about losing even more fuel economy with a 4 x 4 (although if I were getting a Tacoma, I would go with the 4WD because it probably would really help a smaller truck to have that extra traction to tow a 5K lb. load on rougher dirt roads) But is a 4 x 4 is really necessary in this big a truck?

    Aside from the tow package, are there specific options that you would recommend for travel trailer towing?

    Thanks for any/all additional input you can provide! It's really a stretch for me to imagine owning a diesel, but there is a first time for everything.
  • titanium29titanium29 Posts: 38
    Glad to offer any insight I can, tent2tt. I meant to address some of what you ask in your second post, but forgot to get it all. So here goes...I have a '06 3500 with the 5.7HO. Since I have the mega cab, it has the chassis of the long bed (they just put a short box on a long bed chassis to make room for the mega cab over the quad cab). So that may play into stability a little. But since I am towing a fifth wheel, I have less behind me in trailer. If you went with the LB chassis, the back of your trailer is going to back there a bit. Just something to think about. I have 24 feet behind the truck, but I haven't really seen any issues moving it around. It is a 4x4. Sometimes, backing a loaded trailer into a gravel slot with a slight grade, it is good to lock up all four wheels for traction. So I would go 4x4. It also helps with resale down the road. My understanding of the differences between the 06 5.7 CID and the '07 6.7L, is the newer one has some aluminum component in the engine to "benefit" from the new Ultra low sulphur diesel. A good dealer could probably tell you more, but I wouldn't shy away from either. Both these engines are quieter than their predecesors, and way more quiet than the Chevy and Ford Diesels. I also prefer the in-line 6 from cummins over the v8's in those brands. It is SAID to be a more reliable configuration offering better torque. The torgue numbers prove it, and I have a brotherinlaw who has a CID with 185000 on it, and it still growls like new.
    I wondered about a one-ton diesel myself. They're not cheap. But if you are going to tow any significant amount, I personally wouldn't go gasoline engines now that I've done both. I have also been told here and from owners that my "real" gas mileage won't occur for 30,000 miles or so on this engine. It takes CID engines a good while to fully break in. If I had it to do all over again, I'd do the same thing. The 2500 would probably be sufficient, but I didn't want any more capacity issues, so I went one-ton. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up. If you can find a 5 star dealer, I would recommend that too. Some of the others just want to make a quick sale. Thanks...T29
  • tent2tttent2tt Posts: 46
    Thank you, Titanium29, I am getting quite an education.

    I think I have been doing myself a disservice reading some of the Dodge forums, because of course they are discussing problems, not how reliable these trucks are. But when I talk with people out and about, I hear time and again that you can't go wrong with the Dodge Ram Cummins TCD.

    I will definitely heed your advice and go with a reputable 5 star dealer, because some of the Dodge dealers I have read about in the forums sound terrible. Support and service are vital, especially for a newbie like me.

    I am psyched to get the Dodge Ram and TT and get out into the world in a whole new way! Thanks again and Happy Trails!
  • araber89araber89 Posts: 1
    I have a Dodge 1500 and need to know a little about the towing power it has. I will be pulling a horse trailer this weekend and wanted to know if this truck will work. It easyily pulls our boat but I don't know the weight on the horse trailer. The truck has the 5.9 liter and is the quad cab. The reason I'm thinking the trailer is big is because it takes the biggest ball possible for a hitch and it needs the round light plug on the truck not the flat four. Also whats the difference between the flat four plug and the round one? Also will the truck do the job?
  • dgomandgoman Posts: 1
    I want to tow a 3 car wedge hauler (3 Axles) for which the just the trailer weight will be up to 23,000 lbs (Not including the weight of the truck).

    I do not know what truck I need to buy. I have seen pictures of people hauling this type of trailers using a Ram 3500, F 350 and Sierra 3500.

    I would appreciate any advise. Thnxs.
  • bobm11bobm11 Posts: 2
    Hi: My wife and I are about to buy a slide on and we are having a hard time with the right vehicle to haul it with. I have always heard Dodge with the cummings was the best. I dont want the new Ford 350/450 because all I read about is TROUBLE with the engine. I dont know that much about the Duramax. The camper we will be placing in the truck bed is about 5200lbs when everything is said and done. My question is; will a 3500 be enough truock for us? We plan to go out for about 2-3 months at a time, come home for about 2 months and go out again for 2-3 months and continue that cycle. Any help would be appreaciated. Thanks Bob M
  • I have a 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad cab with a tow package and can't find the plug for the brake controller, my 2005 had it right next to the steering column on the left side near firewall and it was blue. Can't see it anywhere, any help.
  • I had the same problem with my '08 1500 Ram as well. First of all the dealer removed the controller plug that is supplied in the golve box on all RAMs with a towing package and had it in their parts department for sale. After a conversation with them, they gave it to me and said it was a mistake by the guy that prepares the truck for delivery...Yeah right!

    Anyway, I went to hook it up and I could not find the plug under the dash. After a friend told me where it was it was still hard to find as when they assembled the truck it was tucked in behind the electronic module. The module has a bunch of wires coming into/out of it up under the drivers dash between the side wall and the steering column. If you can't see it, reach behind for a loose connector and pull it out in front. Again, You may not have it if you did not purchase the manufacturer's towing package.

    Good luck. If you still can't find it I can get a picture to you if you ping me offline at gsireove@rogers.com.

    Gary
  • email is gsirove@rogers.com
  • Funny you should say that because there was no harness in my truck either, when I asked about it they said that was funny and proceeded to get me one. I have the same manufacturers tow package that I had on my 05. Will have a look in the a.m. and let you know, thanks for the help.
  • Well to say it was hid was putting it mildly, they must of handed out maps at the plant to put that away, never the less end result is I now have my brake control harness plug and I appreciate all your help. Thanks again.
  • Glad to help. Just passing on a favour as someone else had to tell me where it was.
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