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  • willybillwillybill Posts: 83
    OK, my friend and I have a question. The place where you insert the DVD for the navigation system has the usual DVD computer logo symbol on the drive. He contends that it would most likely play a movie DVD. I am not willing to try it.
    Has anyone ever tried it?
    Just curious..

    :confuse:
  • bmgoodmanbmgoodman Posts: 102
    I don't know for certain, but I would vote "no". Just because the drive reads DVDs does not mean that the software has the CODECs to play a movie. COULD it? I would say so, but then they would have to add an entire GUI. They would also have to ensure a movie would not play while driving. Again, not impossible, but if you go to the trouble of doing all this, why keep it secret?
  • willybillwillybill Posts: 83
    Thanks bmgoodman, that is pretty much what I concluded.. I am not sure I want to be the guy to try it either.. with my luck it would mess up the NAV system and trust me, having that is better than trying to watch a movie while sitting still.
    I think that is still a pretty goofy idea.
    I have appreciated all of your fine comments here on the forum and feel that we all benefit from those comments.. Keep up the communication !

    B
  • He contends that it would most likely play a movie DVD. I am not willing to try it.

    It will most likely work. I cannot verify since mine is not equipped with NAV. I know it works on the Land Cruiser. Although if you are not stopped and/or have the park brake applied the screen will go black. This is a safety feature to prevent the driver from being distracted. Put a movie in and see for yourself. At worst it will just spit the disc back out and ask for the NAV disc. Let us know...
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    It should play DVDs and it you want to search the many Edmund threads athere have been software hacks to override the safety features to allo the DVD to play while the car is in motion and the parking brake is not set. Works pretty good unless hte driver trys to watch. But that is hard for most drivers to do since they are already reading, driving with their knees, taking notes and talking on their cell phone while driving already.

    Having said that I don't play DVDs in my car and I don't talk on the cell phone while the car is moving. In spite of what humans think it is difficult , even with hands free blue tooth , to multitask and drive and carry on a cell phone conversation; especially those who talk with ther hands.

    Now that M.A.D.D. has gotten so much press and legislation , achochol is no longer the leading cause of fatalities. It is now a close race between fatigue and cell-phone usage. While it is dififcult to control fatigue if a person has no common snses, cell-phone usage could be curtailed with porper fines and legisaltion. Hey it is happening with seatblet usage. Now all we need is the backing of MACPD ( Mothers Against Cell Phone Drivers)

    Drive Safely by Shifting!

    MidCow
  • willybillwillybill Posts: 83
    Thanks MidCow!.. I agree with your opinion, however, the TCH does allow a single digit speed dial with totally hands free operation. Both hands on the wheel and you can still have a short phone call. I don't advocate cell phone usage while driving, but if a call comes in, you can answer it with out leaving the steering wheel with your hands and not taking your eyes off of the road.
    Regarding the DVD thing, I can't really think of a time when one would want to watch a movie while in 'park'. Unless you are a youngster and 'park' for a whole different reason.
    Besides, I am not sure the battery could sustain all the accessories running for a feature length film.
    My advise... if you want to watch a movie stay home and watch it in HD.. it is much more enjoyable.
    Still, the idea intrigues me and I may give it a shot just to see if it would work.
    Thanks MidCow.
  • gc77584gc77584 Posts: 65
    But that is hard for most drivers to do since they are already reading, driving with their knees, taking notes and talking on their cell phone while driving already.

    You forgot putting on makeup!
  • presbyterpresbyter Posts: 5
    Yes, at this time, Nav systems are not available in Canada - we can argue with the wisdom of Toyota's marketing decision, but right now you either do without Nav, or do without the TCH! My guess is that by about next model year, like about 10 months from now, the Nav system will be an option. They may even offer it as a dealer-installed option for present owners, but it sounds like that will mean taking out a perfectly good stereo, for which there will be absolutely no market, and you will pay 2 to 3 K$ (and US and Cdn will be about the same by then!) for a system that will have (then) out of date maps, and pay another 2 to 3 hundred for the DVD update.

    May I suggest an alternative that works for me.

    I have a Garmin Nuvi 350 that I transferred from my previous car. This has touch-screen programming, gives voice commands with a choice of accent (I've decided I like the English lady best), and can be mounted in your line-of-sight, rather than in the centre of the dash where you look down. Cost is $800 Canadian, and depending on where you buy it, shipping may be minimal. I got mine out of province, so did not pay PST, and with shipping the total cost was about $860 Canadian. (Do NOT get the Nuvi 360, which has Bluetooth phone integration - which would be redundant.)

    The maps are as up to date as anything on the market, and Garmin will let you download the first map update for free, unlike Toyota, who charge for each and every DVD. My experience has been that everything in my town more than 18 months old is on the build-in map (which covers all of North America). I've used this unit for about 2500 km now, and it has yet to lead me astray - and sometimes it has found routes that are actually better than the ones I have been using for years.

    It can be installed almost "invisibly" in the TCH. here is a rough outline of the process:

    -plug the 12 V power adaptor into the outlet inside the compartment at the bottom of the dash centre stack.

    -run the power wire down to the left, and through a gap which will bring it out somewhere near the "gas" pedal - you may have to reach in and fish for it, which might cause some lacerations - thin gloves are recommended.

    -now run the power cable across the driver's side of the car, and up to the top of the dash, without worrying about how that looks

    -mount the suction cup mount on the windshield in your line of vision just to the left of the instrument mount - be careful to leave enough room for the side airbag to deploy - about 3 inches in from the edge should do it (in the event of a driver's side collision the Nuvi will probably get trashed, but that will be the least of your problems.

    -leaving a little slack, run the power cable to the corner where the dash, windshield surround, and door meet (with door open)

    -there is a soft seal strip on the dash side running down the side of the dash, and the power cable can easily be pushed in between that and the dash, holding it, and totally concealing it.

    -at the bottom, simply gather up the slack, secure it by whatever means - tape, cable ties, velcro ties - and then run it underneath the dash, securing it to wiring and under-dash supports with ties to keep it up and out of the way.

    You can leave the 12V adaptor plugged in, as the power goes on and off with the "Start" button. The Nuvi head-unit is detachable, and you can take it with you when you leave the car parked in vulnerable areas. You can also detach it to connect it to your computer for software and map updates. If you like, you can purchase value added stuff, like electronic books that will be read to you while driving, language translators, tourist information, etc.

    It works for me, your mileage may vary!
  • navguynavguy Posts: 61
    The navigation unit in the Hybrid Camry will not play DVD movies. The DVD-ROM drive is specifically for the DVD map disc.
  • hueristixhueristix Posts: 30
    I disagree that bluetooth etc. causes any more distraction than the ladies kids in the car next to me. If my cell phone is going to become illegal, then so should driving without a nanny! I have been talking, text messaging, checking stocks, eating, and more on our nation's highways for some time now- with no problems.

    Some key points about this:

    * I have used a headset for years, more recently a bluetooth headset.

    * The reason I feel I can do this safely is I PUT DRIVING FIRST. Most people probably notice the difference when I am driving as I pause more, and sometimes pull the "IGOTTAGONOW!" A text message taking a few secs normally might take 5 mins when driving.

    * The weather and traffic, and my familiarity with the area are factors I consider. Also the importance of the commmunication I embark upon.

    * I hope most drivers don't do what I do as we all have different skills and capabilities. In fact, I don;t know how some of these knuckleheads get licensed- but if there were a "multitasking" test I guarantee I would pass.

    At any rate, to stay relevant, the TCH with the integrated hands free, voice commands, and the steering wheel buttons helps immensely.

    DVD's should clearly not be watched by any driver.
  • alp8alp8 Posts: 656
    See, the problem is that the cell phone is an ADDITIONAL distraction, not the ONLY distraction (for most people).

    Drivers are distracted by their hot coffee or Big Gulp. And by the radio. And by their cigarette. Add the cell phone and a screaming kid. It's not just ONE distraction.

    Volvo has been given access to all the vehicular accidents in/around Stockholm for the last 20 years or so (longer, I think). They study all of them. Word is that a rising % are cell-phone related. Most accidents occur in interesections or within a short distance from intersections. They learned that many of those people were receiving calls just before the accident. So Volvo plans to have a feature that puts your cell phone reception on hold before you eneter an intersection and until you are safely through that intersection. Yeah yeah, big brother, I know. So what. Once you are through the intersection, your phone will ring and the caller who called you - his phone will ring, and you will be connected. Sounds like a great use of technology to save lives (and money).
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Hueristix said: "I disagree that bluetooth etc. causes any more distraction than the ladies kids in the car next to me. If my cell phone is going to become illegal, then so should driving without a nanny! I have been talking, text messaging, checking stocks, eating, and more on our nation's highways for some time now- with no problems."

    Let's talk about your statements.

    In a way you are agreeing that "blue tooth" and "ladies kids" both cause a driving distraction. I agree!

    However, driving with a nanny might be too expensive and there would still be some distraction. Many times, driving with or without kids is not an option. Yes, it is more dangerous than driving in a car alone.

    However, driving with or without a bluetooth phone in use is the decision of the driver and can be controlled.

    In spite of your superb multi-tasking capability, talking on a cell-phone takes away from the primary mission to drive safely. Even you admit to this with your "IGOTTAGONOW!" tex message response. Some drivers who are less multi-tasking capapable are even m more dangerous on a cell phone bluetooth or not. And you thaink that: text messaging , checking stocks and more is safe woah I hope we do not travle the same roads.

    You further state "DVD's should clearly not be watched by any driver." Doe that mean I need to get rid of all the DVS I watch in my media room at home just because I am a driver?

    I am going to buy the new Toyota Camry diesel hybrid with manual shift that is coming out in 2007. It has a 2.2 liter engine, goes for 0-60 in 7.5 seconds and gets 57 miles per gallon on the highway. It is called for short TCDH

    Motor on Shift More,

    MidCow
  • I am going to buy the new Toyota Camry diesel hybrid with manual shift that is coming out in 2007. It has a 2.2 liter engine, goes for 0-60 in 7.5 seconds and gets 57 miles per gallon on the highway. It is called for short TCDH

    I went to Google to look into this. Nothing turned up. Where did you find out about it?
  • bmgoodmanbmgoodman Posts: 102
    This site could use some threading and some type of filter! ;)
  • gampagampa Posts: 78
    ...the Camry Diesel Hybrid...

    Sound like "wishful thinking"

    Maybe in five years

    Gampa
  • hueristixhueristix Posts: 30
    A rising % will "involve" cell phones because a rising # of people have the phones! That and a modern form of operator error. But don;t punish the rest of us.

    If they release that kind of BS I will hack it.

    Look, I choose to use my radio AC and phone WHEN SAFE.
    If I TXT it boils down to 1 character here and there,
    my eyes are off the road for a glance at a time.

    If other people can't handle it, please, please hang up.

    I see people talking, no headset, and swerving around, and I don't want anyone to think I am as such.
  • hueristixhueristix Posts: 30
    LOL I knew people would imagine all kinds of dangerous stuff in their heads.

    "Even you admit to this with your "IGOTTAGONOW!" tex message response"

    I was referring to voice, the txt equivalent is just driving and foretting about it.

    "You further state "DVD's should clearly not be watched by any driver." Doe that mean I need to get rid of all the DVS I watch in my media room at home just because I am a driver?"

    Are you trying to be silly? You know I meant- driving at the time.
  • alp8alp8 Posts: 656
    A rising % will "involve" cell phones because a rising # of people have the phones!

    I am pretty confident that Volvo considered that when doing their analysis.

    but maybe they missed it, and it has nothing to do with being distracted by the cell phone ringing

    but that was Volvo's finding

    interesting stuff, and, if true, a good use of technology

    not as good as the camera that looks at your eyes, and when you become inattentive it jars you awake. That baby will be saving lives soon enough. (of course, how many nimrods will then drive-while-tired because they think the car will wake them if they doze off?)
  • hueristixhueristix Posts: 30
    It is hard to prove stuff like this. Correlation does not imply causation.

    The truth is mixed- I am not saying all mobile phone using drivers are indeed safe, but I am saying they are not all unsafe.

    I promise you all I will minimize distractions while I drive. I love to make controversial statements and get flamed sometimes.

    I used to like Volvo's quite a bit until Ford came along.
    I would actually feel safer in a Toyota or Subaru.

    Another cool tech. is the cruise control that senses oncoming objects and shuts off- but like you were saying, could that encourage inattentiveness?

    If all of this technology keeps up, the car will insist on driving itself like Knight Rider for "maximum safety" and I will be free to video/txt message, play mindless video games, or catch up on the latest crisis in the Middle East... :sick:
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    The truth is mixed- I am not saying all mobile phone using drivers are indeed safe, but I am saying they are not all unsafe.

    There is no need to try to justify an argument like that. Anything you do while driving other than paying attention to the road and surroundings is UNSAFE.

    My opinion is that people will continue to take chances and endanger other peoples lives. That's probably more fact than opinion but since I have not polled all people it is opinion.

    You and others (myself included) will make decisions based upon our preceptions of our abilities (right or wrong)and continue to take chances.

    I can't justify it, but I won't say it's not an unsafe action.

    Personnally, I can eat a Big Mac with one hand and not drop lettuce and secret sauce on myself while driving. I don't know of anyone else that can do that. Am I incrediably talented? No, it came through practice and driving off the edge of the road a couple of times or learning not to jerk when I did drop something and wanted to see how bad the mess was. My opinion is that this is an unsafe practice. However will I stop? Probably not, but I do try to do it in the safest way possible. meaning I prepare the sandwich in my hand before pulling out onto the road.

    Same with a phone. If I can answer with a push then I will. If I need to look away and dial I pull off the road (unless the road is an empty 4 lane - often the case in my part of the country). I endanger my life, it's a choice. I try to minimizethe times I may endanger someone else, seeing as it's not their choice. However either way it is not a safe practice.

    No flaming here or we'd all burn in He_ _.
  • spiff72spiff72 Posts: 179
    Here is my new form of entertainment as I drive:

    When I am sitting at a red light at an intersection (especially if I am first in line), and there is a string of cars turning left from the right of me onto the road I am on (does that make sense?), I like to watch all of the drivers as they pass in front of me making their turns. This works best when these cars are all going on a left-turn "green arrow" so they are all coming in quick succession.

    I watch to see how many of them are holding a cell phone up to their heads. The other day (actually the first time I actually counted) I counted 4 of 8 as being on the phone. I was surprised (even though I shouldn't have been) by the 50% "success" rate!

    I don't know why I am sharing this, but it seemed to fit in with this conversation!
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    You are absolutely right. There are a lot of posts that do not say or contribute anything. Two quick examples #2006 and #2008.

    What safety issues does the THC have?
    (1) Heavier ? braking and handling problems
    (2) Battery explosions
    (3) software fialure of HSD similar to Prius "
    (4) safety corners cut to achieve high MPG ?


    Concerning a better mouse trap, post #2004, pipe dream yes about a Hybrid Diesel, but Toyota designers and developers read these forums and obtain future ideas. Build it and they will come. LOL Google doesn't work for pre-prototype models.

    YMMV,

    MidCow
  • hamm3rhamm3r Posts: 55
    These forums make thread-following very ugly!

    The place where you insert the DVD for the navigation system has the usual DVD computer logo symbol on the drive. He contends that it would most likely play a movie DVD. I am not willing to try it. Has anyone ever tried it?

    Response 1
    I don't know for certain, but I would vote "no". Just because the drive reads DVDs does not mean that the software has the CODECs to play a movie.

    Response 2
    It should play DVDs and it you want to search the many Edmund threads athere have been software hacks to override the safety features to allo the DVD to play while the car is in motion

    Response 3
    It will most likely work. I cannot verify since mine is not equipped with NAV. I know it works on the Land Cruiser

    Repsonses regarding safety and multitasking while driving have been omitted :P

    OK, I put the DVD "Dora The Explorer" into the DVD/Map slot and the system started smoking and burnt out my whole audio and NAV system!

    All kidding aside...I did put the Dora DVD in, and all that happened was that I got a message on the screen that said something like "invalid map DVD". The system would not continue until I ejected Dora and put the map DVD back in.
  • willybillwillybill Posts: 83
    VERY FUNNY !!! I thought your response was terrific. Thanks for confirming what we all thought would happen.
    SOOOO glad the drive DIDN'T smoke !
    :-)
  • hueristixhueristix Posts: 30
    yeah but you gotta hack it first!

    this was expected.
  • hamm3rhamm3r Posts: 55

    Concerning a better mouse trap, post #2004, pipe dream yes about a Hybrid Diesel, but Toyota designers and developers read these forums and obtain future ideas. Build it and they will come. LOL Google doesn't work for pre-prototype models.


    Apparently, diesel-hybrid has been built before in limited numbers. The timing on this is uncanny. I was going through some old magazines today to cut out articles and throw away the rest of the magazine and I found this in the Feb '05 Pop. Mechanics regarding this issue:

    For those who don't want to view the image, here's what it says:

    The Best of Both Worlds
    If diesel is good and hybrid is good, why not a diesel/electric hybrid? Actually, diesel/electric combinations abound: Most diesel locomotives are really diesel/electric. There are now several diesel/electric hybrid buses operating in U.S. cities. But there are problems with creating a diesel/electric hybrid family hauler. Diesel engines are heavier than their gasoline counterparts, creating packaging prolems when coupled with an electric motor. The Dodge Ram Contractor Special offers a diesel with an electric motor. But only a handful were built. As diesels are refined and the electronics that allow smooth hybrid operation improve, we hope to see more.
    http://ww2.itguy.net:81/diesel-elect.jpg
  • The latest diesel engines from the fatherland are aluminum block with iron cylinder sleeves. So you get the bost of both worlds. For example, the new Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel that's coming out in a few months has a 3.0L Mercedes diesel, putting out 215HP and 376 lb-ft of torque.

    So in a nutshell they are MUCH lighter than diesel engines of yore....And ripe for being incorporated into a hybrid system!
  • alp8alp8 Posts: 656
    RIPE!!!

    (I just like to say "RIPE!")
    :P
  • jjfcincyjjfcincy Posts: 7
    I am trying to assess the value of having the NAV on the TCH I am ordering. Dealer can only get the color (Mag Grey) without NAV after being on the list for three months. I do not need NAV for driving instructions as rarely travel out of the city I have lived in for many years. Primary reason for justifying it is that I currently use bluetooth on my current vehicle (Acura TL) as well as XM radio and was assuming the display of the NAV on the TCH would be far better for these two purposes. However I test drove a TCH recently with NAV and during the test drive my salesperson riding with me said that when driving the only thing showing on the NAV is the street map (for safety reasons). Neither the bluetooth or XM were enabled. Not worth the extra 1800 option if I can't see phone book information, get in depth satellite radio info etc. Would appreciate it if someone with NAV would enlighten me as to the advantages of this option.
  • mharris813mharris813 Posts: 20
    Wow, you sound like THE person to ask... I am driving a TL on loan from the dealer, and actually drove a TCH today, and am seriously considering changing my mind to buy a TCH. I love the performance of the TL, but do not like the stiff ride.

    We have a 99 camry, and love the car. The ride is great. We were both taken by the amazing ride and the way the TCH drove!

    I did ask to look at the toyota NAV, cause I LOVE the way the TL nav works, and wondered if the toyota would be the same. There WERE some differences! I'd really like to see the ACTUAL TCH NAV too! You bring up valid points, so you think that you cannot access the XM or phonebook while in NAV???

    Any input you could give on your opinions of the ride in the TL, and how you see the two compare?

    THANKS!!!!
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