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2008 Pontiac G8

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  • nojetsnojets Posts: 31
    Not to have a nav option on a $30,000 car just seems shortsighted in this day and age. If $100 cellphones can have GPS circuitry, it's nuts not to offer the option in this Pontiac halo model meant to represent the future of the brand. I understand that there's a lot of engineering to make it work under all climates found inside a car, but it's hardly cutting edge any more. Who's going to come over from Japanese wheels if they can't have the toys they have become accustomed to?
  • Personally, I have no interest in an OEM NAV unit in my next vehicle, so the G8 remains on my list.

    That said, I do agree that, especially in this price range, GM needs to be offering NAV if they intend to be competitive.
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    I dont necessarily agree with the NAV...how many people order nav specifically in a car...or simply accept it as a dealer ordered option from inventory stock because they simply want the car.....I saw that happened a great deal with the hybrids.....you couldnt get a hybrid toyota without Nav all ready in it.....at lease on the dealer lots in my area....

    look around you today....those who what a nav system...simply get the portable one and mount it....they are cheaper and serve the same function....but dont give the integrate look....

    the same can be said for BT as an option....as well....

    I too havent ruled the G8 off my list....Im looking at the new Malibu as well...in addition to the new CTS...again three different classes of cars...all depends on how much of my $$ I want to part with......$43k for the CTS, $28k for the G8 or $26k for the Malibu...all a few percentage points over invoice.....
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    I would probably buy a NAV system, if offered.
    I would certainly buy XM, if offered.
    Neither appear to be available in the initial build \ Job 1.

    I am somewhat more concerned about the limited choices for interior colors.
    Here in HotLanta, a dark ( black \ “onyx” or “onyx\red” ) interior just does not make much sense.

    I prefer ( an have typically bought, in my last several new cars ) a medium to light gray leather interior. The lone exception was my Grand Prix GXP – with suede inserts on the seating surfaces, this was not a huge issue – for me.

    The lack of a HUD, in addition to the above, may mean I will wait ( and hope ) until the 2009 Model Year changes are announced.

    - Ray
    Still hoping that not too long after the initial build of ‘pool’ cars, GM \ Pontiac will add options & colors . . .
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,271
    I agree. And there are many other options not yet appearing in the build list that will make the car seem somewhat cheap. It wouldn't normally be a problem, but, like you said, if this is supposed to be a halo car, buyers need to be able to option it as such. Its some simple things, too. I earlier mentioned the lack of 8-way seats. I also see no mention of seat warmers. These are features I can find on an Accord. Even the econobox mazda3 offers nav.

    I do see, however, that standard features on the GT include remote start and tire pressure monitoring. So that is appreciated. But those seem odd when the more common features listed above are overlooked. Maybe the offerings will change.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    Included with:

    PCQ = Premium Package, includes leather seating surfaces, (KA1) driver and passenger heated seats, (AJ6) 6-way power driver seat adjuster, (AQ5) 6-way power front passenger seat adjuster, rear center armrest, (VY7) leather-wrapped shift lever and (NP5) leather-wrapped steering wheel
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,271
    ah. ok. well, that takes care of 1 small feature.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    I don’t mean to be flip or offensive. Just wanted to make sure people reading here understand that heated seats are available – though not as a ‘stand-alone’ option. Yet.

    And I agree that one could argue the G8 is coming to market without several items one might reasonably expect.

    I am hoping that the lack of interior color choice and the lack of a HUD will be addressed.

    My sense is that the G8, though it became a “world car” for GM, did not have the time or the attention of US representatives early enough in the product development cycle to insure that every item of ( standard & optional ) equipment was available initially.

    Yet when we look at the number of 350+ HP, V8, RWD sedans available for less than $30K in the US, my sense is that Pontiac will sell every one they can build in Australia and ship here. Somewhat like the new 2008 CTS, there are missing pieces ( true BlueTooth integration is the one I hear most often regarding the CTS ) but the emphasis was apparently on bringing the G8 to market as soon as possible, with all of the basic features on the checklist such as drivetrain, seating, suspension, etc in place and thoroughly developed. My guess is that the G8 GT \ V8 will be a terrific car to drive, even if missing a few items many expect.

    And my hope is that initial market reception will justify additional features & options – and models ( GXP ) in short order.

    I have only 15,500 or so miles on my current ride, so I do not NEED a new car anytime soon. So ( fortunately ) I can wait to see what happens.

    - Ray
    Waiting, oh so very patiently . .
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,271
    Its true. I mean, there is no doubt that, on paper at least, it looks like it should be a good buy. I mean, if I compare a $30k G8 GT to a $30k Accord (to keep with my previous comparison), the GT may lack some ammenities, but absolutely destroys it in performance and fun.

    the only bit that worries me at this point is the seats. 6-ways might not work for me. It really depends. The only 6-way I ever tried that I felt completely comfortable in was an '02 WRX. All others have failed to give me the leg support my 6'5" frame needs.

    Oh, one other thing I noticed that it does have, though, is a tilt AND telescoping steering wheel. This is also very important for my personal driving comfort.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    The aftermarket navigation systems provide superior functionality, and cost no more than typical factory systems, so the lack of factory navigation in the G8 should not be a problem. I have a Pioneer AVIC-Z1 system in my 2006 Explorer, and it is equipped with the XM, XM NavTraffic, Bluetooth, and rear camera options. It has a hard disc to store the map data and to store music "ripped" from CDs or DVDs. With four excellent speakers, the who system came to about $2,500.
  • jpstax1jpstax1 Posts: 197
    Come on people! What about On-Star? It's free for 1 year. I just bought a 2008 LaX Super and got lost driving around South Bend, IN (when it was pitch dark). All I did was call O/S and they told me exactly where I was and then gave me directions (turn-by-turn) on how to get to the tollway.
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    buty after that first year..I beleive its $24.95 a month for turn by turn option......On-Star is the true reason I beleive GM is hesitant about BT integration IMHO...since they have the verizon calling......but too many people want BT as an option these days
  • jbar2jbar2 Posts: 8
    I love having On-Star. The last NAV I had proved to be a distraction and got little use. I currently pay for turn-by turn as I need it since it is not contractual so the $24.95/month never bothers me. I would like confirmation on the availability of XM because I am not interested in additional equipment in the car to make this possible (the dash is too pretty for cluter). For those determined to get NAV, I haven't seen the option listed anywhere but it would seem possilbe with the 6.5" color LCD in the dash.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    See my post #329 above.
    Still current.....
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    guess Im confused by what you mean as OnStar is not contractual..since it requires a monthly subscription...and I was wrong about the pricing...its 28.90 a month..and for the first year of safe and sound given to you for buying GM equipped Onstar vehicle...its a $100 upgrade....per the Onstar website....
  • actualsizeactualsize Santa Ana, CaliforniaPosts: 136
    I'm not a fan of audio-only turn-by-turn navigation. I'm a visual person. I HAVE to see a map.

    Twitter: @Edmunds_Test

  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Plus, XM-Navtraffic, a feature available on many aftermarket systems, helps avoid traffic messes. Just last week it helped us avoid a wreck on I-5 south, allowing us to know about it and exit onto PCH to go around the backup. Our Pioneer AVIC-Z1 will also plan the route using NavTraffic data, and offer to change the route based on changing traffic data.

    None of the navigation systems have a way to account for being in the HOV lane, so you to factor that into your decisions on routing.
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    It's rather funny that the discussion about this car is revolving around the functions of a rather obsolete communications device.

    If I want a phone or directions ... I think I'd rather go with a relatively inexpensive, mobile option like a Blackberry or IPhone. The cost is much less, you can upgrade every year or 2 as technology and options change, etc.

    Why do you want an expensive unit buuilt-in to the dashboard, that may require expensive repair someday, and will be obsolete quickly? Give me a decent stand-alone sound-system and a manual HVAC system, and a few power ports, and I'll bring the MP3 player, the phone, the NAV, and the DVD players for the kids.

    Now speaking of the car - I like the white, with the red/black interior. The fact it uses 87 octane is nice too. I wonder how much the tires will cost, and how fast they'll wear out; being Z-rated on a 2 ton car?
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    “It's rather funny that the discussion about this car is revolving around the functions of a rather obsolete communications device.”

    I think that is largely due to the fact that we are ( or at least I am ) waiting for actual driving impressions & test results of production examples, from Edmunds & The Print Media. Or test drives by potential purchasers.

    Until then, there is not really much of anything new to discuss.

    And the first published tests appear to be at least another month away – and no one knows exactly when dealers will have units available to examine. To see what the production fit & finish & materials look like. How well the suspension ride \ handling compromise works for us. What the acceleration feels like. Whether or not the seats offer sufficient support & adjustability for our particular height & build. Etc.

    I don’t happen to care a lot one way or the other about a Navigation System.
    And I don’t happen to care about BlueTooth, at all.

    But I do care
    ( for example )
    that XM appears not to be available at introduction . . .
    And I find ** THAT ** very odd, indeed.

    - Ray
    Waiting.
    Still.
  • i'm going to go out on a limb and predict that as nice a package as the g8 appears to be at first blush, it's going to be a flop.....why?.....first, the logistics of the car: the car itself is produced in australia, the engine (atleast the v8, is produced in mexico....in these days of 98 dollar barrel of oil...this does not sound like a recipe for success...i don' t know where the 3.6 (which is one hell of a motor) is produced, but if it's also made in mexico...that's another strike against it.

    the other point is the limited selection of options on either the 3.6 or the v8...to not even offer hid's or a heated steeering wheel or limited slip on the 3.6...these are glaring ommissions.

    the car will sell well in the beginning, like the gto did, but i think the sales numbers will drop off dramatically after a short period of time.

    it's too bad, a rwd platform with these power trains should be a real draw...let's hope i'm wrong and gm will fatten up the option list. who knows, maybe oil will go back to 55 a barrel....yeah, right.

    jackg
    06sts6
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,271
    atleast the v8, is produced in mexico....in these days of 98 dollar barrel of oil...this does not sound like a recipe for success

    I don't think I'm following your train of thought here. What does the price of oil have to do with where the engine is manufactured?

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    OK. I’ll play this game.

    I will go out on ** MY ** limb & predict:

    1) That the 2008 G8 will sell very well.

    2) That the 2009 will include some of the ‘missing items’ some people are looking for \ waiting for. The M6, among them. And XM. And a wider array of interior colors.

    3) That HIDs & a heated steering wheel are not in the cards - at least for '08 or '09.

    4) That we will not see oil at $55/bbl again in our lifetime . . . If ever.

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    We’ll see how accurate we both are – in a year or so . . .
  • the cost of a barrel of oil was mentioned due to the shipping costs of sending the motors from mexico to australia....and then shipping the completed product to america...all things that will escalate the cost of the vehicle...not to mention the decreasing value of the dollar against other currencies.

    i hope i'm wrong on my predictions as far as the sales go, there can't be too many rwd v6/v8 platforms in my book. i just don't think the car will sell in numbers that gm will support the vehicle...they will bail on it...on the other hand, what else will they have to offer, to replace the grand prix.

    jackg
    06sts6
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,271
    AHHH... ok. I got ya.

    Well, I'm sure the bean counters watch that stuff very closely. If it becomes more expensive to manufacture in Mexico than the US, you can be sure they would change that. I believe oil would have to surpass its current cost by a very very wide margin to make that a reality, however, given what I am assuming are remarkably low labor costs in Mexico compared to the UAW.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    I am certain that the costs of shipping were carefully considered when the MSRPs were set. I am also reasonably certain that GM \ Pontiac considered such other factors as:

    1) Pontiac needs a sales success. The G8 needs to sell, needs to live up to the pre-introduction expectations regarding performance, quality, etc.

    2) In addition to a very competent Sports Sedan, aggressive pricing is also part of what Pontiac probably needs to begin to (re-)establish itself as a Performance Division of GM.

    3) If the G8 is not a success for Pontiac, I expect that in 3 to 5 years, then the Pontiac Brand will go the way of the Dodo – and Oldsmobile.

    Regarding sales numbers & “support the vehicle”: Keep in mind that the G8 is ( only ) a N.A. version of a platform that is expected to sell in relatively large numbers, globally.

    http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0709_2008_pontiac_g8

    And there is an expectation that production of North American destined G8s will move to the Oshawa, Canada plant at some point. Where the GP has been built.

    Even if the G8 is not a terrific sales success initially, GM simply cannot afford to ‘bail’ on the platform.

    - Ray
    End predictions . . .
  • actualsizeactualsize Santa Ana, CaliforniaPosts: 136
    Despite the presence or absence of specific detail features, I think the G8 will fly off showroom floors.

    It looks great. It drives and handles very well and is plenty fast (I drove a Commodore when I visited Oz). It has a functional interior with a decent sized back seat. And the price is reasonable.

    I expect the G8 GT will be 98% the same. It's the GM-flavored rear-drive sports sedan a lot of us have been waiting for for a long time.

    To the 6'5" driver concerned about the 6-ways: No problem. Aussies are big, so you're within the design envelope. I'm 6'2" myself and I had plenty of space to spare. I don't remember needing to put the seat all the way back and the telescopic wheel pulled plenty out far enough.

    Twitter: @Edmunds_Test

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123602?tid=edm- - unds.il.home.photopanel..3.*

    I am posting this without specific reference to the fact that this test is on the “UTE” version, because I am going to focus on what I see as likely predictors of what I’d actually buy: A G8 GT with automatic.

    The 0 – 60 time is a bit less quick than GM \ Pontiac is advertising.

    But the Quarter Mile time of 13.8 is reasonable. Wonder what the trap speed was?

    Anyway – this is the first US based [ test by a US based publication ] test I have seen that seems to tell me something about what a G8 GT will likely produce for acceleration numbers.

    AND: “throttle blips on downshifts” I find very encouraging.

    - Ray
    Waiting, still . . .
  • I bought a GXP in 2005, mainly because of the looks. The dealer had a GXP AND a GTO in the showroom, and frankly, the GTO just didnt do anything for me. It looked too bland, which is why I think it didnt sell well. The other thing that persuaded me was that GM had just started their "employee discount" program to everyone, and the $32,000 GXP was marked down to $26,000, but the $32,000 GTO was NOT discounted.

    I will def. look into the G8's in another year or 2 when I'll be ready to trade again, but only if they keep the styling typical of pontiac, and the price is competitive.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    OK, I'll bite, too.

    Remember the GTO? Same formula to me.

    If not made in the US, how can it compete against the other imports?

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,372
    The dealer had a GXP AND a GTO in the showroom, and frankly, the GTO just didnt do anything for me.

    I felt EXACTLY the same way. Since I already owned a GTP, I declined Pontiac altogether back in 2006. I'll check out the G8 but it does look promising. If they play the same game as the GTO with pricing, I simply will walk away.

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    Regards,
    OW<
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