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2008 Pontiac G8

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,916
    Part of this could be attributed to the overwhelming failure of the Chevy SSR.

    And (if true) this is the usual BS move by automakers who really screw up a good concept and throw their hands up in the air that it isn't a big seller and decide americans just don't want that type of vehicle, although the real reason is that we don't want that vehicle because they did something horribly wrong like make it overweight and overpriced.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • jbar2jbar2 Posts: 8
    GM is using the G8 as a test bed in the same manner they are using the Saturn Astra (Vauxhall / Opel Astra) and if things go well we may see the wagon or Ute version of the G8 over the next couple of models years. I agree with the Pontiac badging of the Ute, GMC has not seen a car-truck since the Sprint in 1977 and given it's truck only line-up it wouldn't make sense. Chevy has become the basic, bargain GM and volume / exchange rates aside, this vehicle would go un-noticed by the Chevy buyer (SSR). For now, I am eagerly awaiting the day I can park a G8 in my drive-way. :shades:
  • jbar2jbar2 Posts: 8
    I agree with the error on GM's part when looking at the weight and price of the SSR, especially price. How many buyers do you think spent two to five thousand more for the Corvette Coupe? That said, let's all hope the same decision making is not applied to the new Camaro....that would be sacrilege.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    Posted on another board - seem reasonable, but I cannot say that they are 'official'...

    G8 GT - ($29,310)
    Prem Package - ($1250)
    Sport Package - ($600)
    Sunroof - ($900)
    All Season Tires - ($150)

    Freight - $685
  • nojetsnojets Posts: 31
    Is this car going to have a nav option tucked into that screen on the dash?
  • Greetings,

    Does anyone know for sure if the G8 GT will be offered with XM and/or NAV? I have read that they are...and aren't. Trying to keep the price down and simplify the options, I could understand no NAV when the G8 launches but no XM? That makes no sense as it is a simple and cheap addition. Any information would be appreciated.

    As far as the failure/success of the UTE, it comes down to price/engine availabity...just like the SSR & GTO (IMHO). If the SSR had launched with a price in the high 20's/low 30's AND a high HP engine,things might have turned out much differently. To launch with that ridiculous price and the crap engine was folly of the worse sort. A lower cost hardtop version would have helped. An LS2, hardtop and a price of 27k, and they would have sold like hotcakes. Chevrolet is NOT a brand that can charge 40k for something that is basically a toy.

    The GTO was simply priced WAY to high when it launched. The staid looks didn't help either...not even the (required) twin intakes on the hood? Anyhow, the main killer was price. Compared to the price of a Mustang GT, 7k more, give or take, was just silly. I love the way the GTO drives, but at 20k used, not 30k+ new. A 25k GT with lower depreciation make a lot more sense (if you're buying new)..and looked "hotter". It wasn't, but it looked it. By the time they fixed some of the "problems" with the GTO, the Pontiac dealers were having fire sale prices on the '04s, just about making certain that the resale would be horrible and thus stopping many from buying the later, improved models. It does, however, make for a GREAT used bargain and the interior is just lovely, especially for a GM car (I know they're getting better, but perceptions die hard).

    End opinion, thanks for reading. Any info on the XM and NAV would be appreicated.

    Cheers, Anteken
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    The Order Guide ( last updated a week ago ) lists neither.

    My ** GUESS ** is that neither will be available at launch.

    MY 2009, anybody’s guess. . . .
    - Ray
    Hoping for both of those AND a HUD – for 2009 . . .
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    BTW: You are correct that GM initially announced XM as a production model feature for the G8. ( From February: See partial list below, quoted from GM’s first press release. )

    My ** GUESS ** is that the XM issue is related to the fact that the initial build will apparently include a Blaupunkt audio head unit – and the fact that I don’t believe that XM is available in Australia . . .

    - Ray
    Still hoping that 2009 will bring enhancements . . .

    = = =

    http://www.media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/autoshows/07chicago/brands/pontiac/- #top

    Production model details
    The 2008 Pontiac G8 lineup will offer two models: G8 and G8 GT. Each will come with a host of standard performance, convenience and safety features, including:

    . . .
    Roof rail side-impact air bags for both seating rows
    OnStar
    XM Satellite Radio
    Power-adjustable front seats
    Fog lamps
  • jbar2jbar2 Posts: 8
    You can get some answers by going to GM's Pontiac website, http://www.pontiac.com/ ,and clicking on G8 (early 2008) under the "Pontiac Vehicles" tab. The first thing some folks may notice is that the Commodore's tall wing is not pictured, only a spoiler nearley flush with the deck-lid.

    Sorry, no listing for NAV or XM in any packages or by themselves at this time. No HUD listed either. There is an IPod / MP3 jack in the specs, which is fine by me since this is all I use anymore.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    From Edmunds.com

    Price with Options
    2008 Pontiac G8
    GT 4dr Sedan (6.0L 8cyl 6A)
    . . . . . . . MSRP . . . . .Invoice

    . . . . . . . . $29,310 . . . . .$27,698
    Select Options
    PCQ Premium Package info $1,250 $1,038
    CF5 Power Tilt-Sliding Sunroof info $900 $747
    PDX Sport Package info $600 $498
    QFX P245/45R18-96V All-Season Blackwall Tires info $150 $125
  • nojetsnojets Posts: 31
    Not to have a nav option on a $30,000 car just seems shortsighted in this day and age. If $100 cellphones can have GPS circuitry, it's nuts not to offer the option in this Pontiac halo model meant to represent the future of the brand. I understand that there's a lot of engineering to make it work under all climates found inside a car, but it's hardly cutting edge any more. Who's going to come over from Japanese wheels if they can't have the toys they have become accustomed to?
  • Personally, I have no interest in an OEM NAV unit in my next vehicle, so the G8 remains on my list.

    That said, I do agree that, especially in this price range, GM needs to be offering NAV if they intend to be competitive.
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    I dont necessarily agree with the NAV...how many people order nav specifically in a car...or simply accept it as a dealer ordered option from inventory stock because they simply want the car.....I saw that happened a great deal with the hybrids.....you couldnt get a hybrid toyota without Nav all ready in it.....at lease on the dealer lots in my area....

    look around you today....those who what a nav system...simply get the portable one and mount it....they are cheaper and serve the same function....but dont give the integrate look....

    the same can be said for BT as an option....as well....

    I too havent ruled the G8 off my list....Im looking at the new Malibu as well...in addition to the new CTS...again three different classes of cars...all depends on how much of my $$ I want to part with......$43k for the CTS, $28k for the G8 or $26k for the Malibu...all a few percentage points over invoice.....
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    I would probably buy a NAV system, if offered.
    I would certainly buy XM, if offered.
    Neither appear to be available in the initial build \ Job 1.

    I am somewhat more concerned about the limited choices for interior colors.
    Here in HotLanta, a dark ( black \ “onyx” or “onyx\red” ) interior just does not make much sense.

    I prefer ( an have typically bought, in my last several new cars ) a medium to light gray leather interior. The lone exception was my Grand Prix GXP – with suede inserts on the seating surfaces, this was not a huge issue – for me.

    The lack of a HUD, in addition to the above, may mean I will wait ( and hope ) until the 2009 Model Year changes are announced.

    - Ray
    Still hoping that not too long after the initial build of ‘pool’ cars, GM \ Pontiac will add options & colors . . .
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,916
    I agree. And there are many other options not yet appearing in the build list that will make the car seem somewhat cheap. It wouldn't normally be a problem, but, like you said, if this is supposed to be a halo car, buyers need to be able to option it as such. Its some simple things, too. I earlier mentioned the lack of 8-way seats. I also see no mention of seat warmers. These are features I can find on an Accord. Even the econobox mazda3 offers nav.

    I do see, however, that standard features on the GT include remote start and tire pressure monitoring. So that is appreciated. But those seem odd when the more common features listed above are overlooked. Maybe the offerings will change.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    Included with:

    PCQ = Premium Package, includes leather seating surfaces, (KA1) driver and passenger heated seats, (AJ6) 6-way power driver seat adjuster, (AQ5) 6-way power front passenger seat adjuster, rear center armrest, (VY7) leather-wrapped shift lever and (NP5) leather-wrapped steering wheel
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,916
    ah. ok. well, that takes care of 1 small feature.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,477
    I don’t mean to be flip or offensive. Just wanted to make sure people reading here understand that heated seats are available – though not as a ‘stand-alone’ option. Yet.

    And I agree that one could argue the G8 is coming to market without several items one might reasonably expect.

    I am hoping that the lack of interior color choice and the lack of a HUD will be addressed.

    My sense is that the G8, though it became a “world car” for GM, did not have the time or the attention of US representatives early enough in the product development cycle to insure that every item of ( standard & optional ) equipment was available initially.

    Yet when we look at the number of 350+ HP, V8, RWD sedans available for less than $30K in the US, my sense is that Pontiac will sell every one they can build in Australia and ship here. Somewhat like the new 2008 CTS, there are missing pieces ( true BlueTooth integration is the one I hear most often regarding the CTS ) but the emphasis was apparently on bringing the G8 to market as soon as possible, with all of the basic features on the checklist such as drivetrain, seating, suspension, etc in place and thoroughly developed. My guess is that the G8 GT \ V8 will be a terrific car to drive, even if missing a few items many expect.

    And my hope is that initial market reception will justify additional features & options – and models ( GXP ) in short order.

    I have only 15,500 or so miles on my current ride, so I do not NEED a new car anytime soon. So ( fortunately ) I can wait to see what happens.

    - Ray
    Waiting, oh so very patiently . .
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,916
    Its true. I mean, there is no doubt that, on paper at least, it looks like it should be a good buy. I mean, if I compare a $30k G8 GT to a $30k Accord (to keep with my previous comparison), the GT may lack some ammenities, but absolutely destroys it in performance and fun.

    the only bit that worries me at this point is the seats. 6-ways might not work for me. It really depends. The only 6-way I ever tried that I felt completely comfortable in was an '02 WRX. All others have failed to give me the leg support my 6'5" frame needs.

    Oh, one other thing I noticed that it does have, though, is a tilt AND telescoping steering wheel. This is also very important for my personal driving comfort.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    The aftermarket navigation systems provide superior functionality, and cost no more than typical factory systems, so the lack of factory navigation in the G8 should not be a problem. I have a Pioneer AVIC-Z1 system in my 2006 Explorer, and it is equipped with the XM, XM NavTraffic, Bluetooth, and rear camera options. It has a hard disc to store the map data and to store music "ripped" from CDs or DVDs. With four excellent speakers, the who system came to about $2,500.
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