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2008 Pontiac G8

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  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    “If not made in the US, how can it compete against the other imports?”

    Hmmm.
    Apparently I am dense.
    If the G8 is ( for a while, at least ) built in Australia & imported, how does that make it unable to compete against other imports?

    Whether made in Japan, Korea, Germany or England – how does that mean a better competitive position vs a sedan made in Australia?

    And I have read quotes from Lutz indication that GM \ Pontiac has learned from some ( unfortunate ) GTO experience.

    Dealers still have final say in setting actual transaction pricing, but MSRPs for the 2008 model run of G8 GTs appear reasonable & competitive, to me.

    Can you help me understand what you mean in your statement?

    Thanks,
    - Ray
    Confused, as usual . . .
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,353
    Sorry for the confusion. My bad for not being more clear.

    I assume the other import brands that produce in the US. Some of them do not have union contracts so I am thinking it will be harder to compete on price.

    I hope they did learn from the GTO. But I need to feel that when I walk into a dealer. I have super-high expectation form the OLD big 3 so please excuse my obvious skepticism. Everyone deserves a second chance but blunder after blunder got real old to me and I am full.

    Also, it might be just me but I see a Saturn-like resemblance from the rear view of this car.?

    Regards,
    OW
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,141
    The price has already been announced.

    So what RWD V8 imports are they not competitively priced against at $30k?

    Or are we talking about bread n' butter V6 models? In which case, considering something like an Accord is over $30k full loaded, that would indicate to me that I could step over to the Pontiac dealer and get a RWD V8 for the same money. Seems good to me.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Funny thing is that I like to drive my 400hp cars fast. The GTO being stealthy and NOT sticking out would have been an advantage in my book. :)

    I'm the guy who buys an STi and takes off the wing and big scoop, takes off the gold wheels, and paints the gold brakes black.

    -mike
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,141
    I'm the guy who buys an STi and takes off the wing and big scoop, takes off the gold wheels, and paints the gold brakes black.

    well that's just good taste on your part. ;b

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    “The price has already been announced.

    So what RWD V8 imports are they not competitively priced against at $30k?”

    Exactly. The MSRP has been set. For now, I think we need to set aside speculation about what dealers might charge. Pontiac has set what I see as aggressive pricing, given the basic specifications & the reports I have read.

    The G8 V8 looks likely to post acceleration numbers comparable to a BMW 545 \ 550 V8 or an Infiniti M45.

    It would clearly be unrealistic to expect BMW 5 series levels of ** EVERYTHING **, but the remaining questions in my mind are:

    Will the G8 GT provide something that is ‘good enough’ ( for me ) in the areas of ride, handling & braking. Rev matching on manumatic downshifts. Interior materials, fit & finish. Ergonomics. Front seat comfort, support & adjustability. Control relationships & ‘feel’. Outward vision. Etc.

    All stuff that requires I actually drive one.

    The first question, more generally, is going to be whether or not Pontiac is able to provide both very good acceleration numbers ( looks very likely ) in combination with something like 85 or 90% of the “BMW goodness” in things like feel and refinement – for a very substantially reduced price.

    And, if the answer to the first question is: Yes. Then the second question is what dealers will actually ( try to ) charge.

    For several reasons, when I last purchased a Pontiac ( 2005 ) I ended up disgusted with all local dealers here near Atlanta & I negotiated via e-mail & telephone with a “$49 over invoice & no additional fees” dealer just over 100 miles north of where I live. The deal when very smoothly, and if I do buy a G8 I will likely buy from them again.

    We shall see . . .

    - Ray
    Waiting to see . . .
  • I like lots of horsepower too, but there's more to a car than just having the hp, IMO. I want something that LOOKS good also. That is why I decided a long time ago to buy Pontiac cars. They are known for their styling, as well as performance. What they did w/ their last attempt at the GTO would be comparable to Chevy designing the Corvette to look like an Accord, but keeping the same engine! Yeah, it might still be fun to drive, but wouldnt look nearly as cool!

    Thats one of the biggest reasons I will never own a "foreign" car, is because of the styling. If you line them all up side by side, they all blend in with everything else on the road and have no details that make them stand out in a crowd. I for one still love to look out in my driveway and see my GXP all shined up just sitting there, as well as driving it. How many people can say that about their Honda or Toyota? LOL

    I still turn my head when I see a nicely styled car on the road, or drive by a dealership and something catches my eye, even though it doesnt happen as much as it used to because lets face it, car styling isnt what it used to be, thats why I still stay with Pontiac. Im not a big Dodge fan, but over the summer a dealership nearby had a lime-green Charger SRT sitting out by the road, and I could spot it from half a mile away! It was a nice looking car, something that would look cool driving down the street, as well as turn a few heads in the process. To me, THAT is cool.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Now that we know that the G8 ST car-truck will also be available, Those of us who need the utility it offers will be able to buy a G8.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    No MT available? Is that what I read there? That's a bummer.

    -mike
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,141
    not yet. they've been saying from the get-go that the 6-MT will come some time after initial launch.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Ah ha, so it will come, just not initially. Hopefully they actually do that and it's not a scam....

    -mike
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    ... now posted on fueleconomy.gov.

    Here is the context I see for these ( now ‘official’ ) EPA numbers:

    G8 A6 = 15 \ 24 [ 2008 ]

    Corvette A6 = 15 \ 25 [ 2008 ]
    Corvette A6 [ 2007 ] WAS 17 \ 27
    Would have been 15 \ 25 under the new \ 2008 EPA scheme

    So.

    I happened to fill my Corvette ( 2007 with essentially the same A6 trans. as the G8 GT \ V8 will have ) with gas on Wednesday morning & drove from where I live, northeast of Atlanta, to Macon & back. As I was approaching Atlanta on the return leg – after approx. 185 miles, the Driver Information Center AVG MPG read just over 31. This was driving ‘with traffic’ – mostly 65 to 75 MPH on the highway portions, with 10 or 15 miles of in-town traffic driving thrown in. Looking at the both the run down & back cancels out any effect of elevation change.

    Thus, if the EPA highway rating for the G8 is accurate, I could expect roughly 30 MPG, in an identical run.

    That’d be OK with me . . .

    - Ray
    We’ll see what owners report in the real world . . .
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,898
    30 mpg in a G8? not going to happen...
    25 mpg is also unlikely, based on my GTO-naro 6-spd experience.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,353
    I assume the weight of the G8 will be 500 - 600 lbs. more than your 'Vette. That calculates to about 19 mpg combined driving in my book.

    Regards,
    OW
  • actualsizeactualsize Santa Ana, CaliforniaPosts: 124
    The G8 GT is essentially a largish, sport-oriented rear-drive sedan with a Corvette motor in it. Expecting it to also be a thrifty MPG machine is missing the point, I think. Buy something else if a consistent 25 to 30 mpg is important to you.

    Twitter: @Edmunds_Test

  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,353
    Agreed. You don't buy a 'Vette for the efficiency either.

    ReGARDS,
    ow
  • mrsyjmrsyj Posts: 77
    does anyone know when this car can be tested by the media? I am curious.
  • shaigshaig Posts: 14
    I stopped by my dealer (Kirkland, WA). They claim they will have a base G8 in the showroom within 30 days .He did not have any of the G8 collateral available, only some generic Pontiac mag that featured the G8 on its cover. Availability of the first few models was tagged for March, at which point he would have a GT model in the showroom. The first shipment of G8's was claimed to contain only 800 for distribution to all Pontiac dealers.

    He warned me that the car would be in "high demand" and that it would be hot! I could see the $$$ signs dripping from his eyes.

    The interesting point is that he claimed his dealership had an allocation of only 20 GT models in the 2008 model year, and that only because they are the leading Pontiac dealer in the PacNW (the latter is a factual claim). So, does anyone know what the production volume for the GTs is expected to be? The numbers would argue no more than 15,000. Can anyone confirm or rebut?
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,353
    Look at the GTO history. 15,000 would be a lot. Judging from the Lambda 3 CUV's distribution in their first model year, expect to see price gouging from this import.

    Nothing new, really.

    BMW's will look like a bargain vs. the G8 in '08!!

    Regards,
    OW
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