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2008 Pontiac G8



  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Heck ya! You can get a G8 for literally dirt cheap on Ebay! Loaded V8's. Or a base model G8 for about $15k. Thats great! Why in the world would one buy a G6 when you can get a loaded or similarly featured car for less. Though, you can get a G6 for cheap too! Like new 2008 models. I would certainly pick a G8 over the G6 today. Though this is a real bummer about the market values of the car, but great for the buyer. If you happen to buy used, you essentially avoided most of the hit in depreciation. I do believe the values will get better. Also if Pontiac is removed from the GM name, the G8 will become a better value. "maybe".

    Also, I know that they are offering leasing opportunities on GM cars, but I think this is only a special, and will soon pull the plug on that. I think that is what was keeping the G6 going so well. When I had my 06 Honda Accord, I kid you not, it was a year later, and I was in a position to trade with no negative equity. You cannot say that about GM as often. I will trade my 08 G6 in the Spring, by then it will be a year, it should look decent by then to get out. I do not plan to keep it the full lease. I am actually appreciating all the features that GM put in the car! Very smart. But, to be honest, when I am done with this GM car, I probably won't be back. I am a Honda guy, but with other cars looking so sleek and modern, it'll be tough!
  • If GM goes under what am I going to drive?

    What am I going to trade my G8 in for a Accord??? Or my vette in for a TL? Maybe a Avalon would make a nice family car. I could let my mother do the driving.
  • Ray -

    Along with mpg, I'd appreciate your thoughts on the seating position.

    I'm 6'3" and head and shoulder room are important to me.

  • actualsizeactualsize Santa Ana, CaliforniaPosts: 124
    No problem at all Gene. I'm 6'2" and I fit easily. I also have tons of room in the back seat when the front is still adjusted to suit me.

    And the sunroof isn't a problem, either.


    Twitter: @Edmunds_Test

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    I took my first trip in the new G8 GT “ex-urban” = outside the Atlanta metro area last weekend.

    I drove a total of over 700 miles.
    My drive, each way ( Duluth, GA to the Fla. Panhandle ) is almost exactly 350 miles each way. One ‘leg’ = 3 hours is approx. 200 miles of interstate, with limits varying from 55 in a few construction zones to 70 MPH. The other leg is approx. 150 miles, also 3 hours, because it is primarily speed limited to no more than 55 MPH, and includes a significant amount of 2 lane, through small towns & around Tallahassee - with even lower limits.

    The V8 is still quite ‘green’.

    In 2 fills ( the first = approx. one half tank and second = approx. three quarters ) each averaged between 22 and 23 MPG, calculated by Excel. [ I had reset the MPG several times, so no verification of DIC display accuracy, yet. ] I did run some errands around where my friends live, and even ran 12 or 15 miles or so in & around Tate’s Hell – on fairly smooth but dirt roads, at 15 to 25 MPH, but otherwise, these were ‘easy’ miles & relatively good conditions, from a fuel economy standpoint.

    At one level, I find these results somewhat disappointing. As I have written here, I expected that AFM \ DoD would allow 'real world' cruising MPG to meet or exceed the EPA number of 24. This trip, I was in no great hurry & did not cruise at much above “2 or 3 MPH over the limit”. I tried no ‘hypermiling tricks’, but drove conservatively.

    The temp was moderate and A/C was off for most of the time.
    I kept the gear lever in “S” – not “M” to insure that AFM would engage whenever appropriate.
    I utilized WOT ( or nearly ) only a few times during each tank’s run – typically to merge onto Interstates.
    Over half the driving is over fairly level terrain.
    I used cruise control wherever safe.

    I was expecting higher numbers.

    I have driven the exact same route about a dozen times, and this is the fifth car I have driven to my friends’ house. I had expected 25. 22.5 does not thrill me. My Corvette returned just over 28 under near identical conditions – even when nearly new.

    Tests at steady cruise on straight, level deserted roads:
    Cruise set at 60\61 = 25-26 MPG.
    Cruise set at 62\63 = 26-27 MPG.
    Cruise set at 65\66 = 25-26 MPG.

    Again, A/C = off, Cruise = on, and enough DIC display cycles to verify reasonable accuracy. . .
    These are all I had time for, before traffic intruded.

    That’s all I know.
    I will add, as I have posted here before, that I certainly did NOT select the G8 GT expecting the same MPG as my Corvette. I did expect to meet or exceed the EPA number, under conditions like these.
    And, with premium gasoline currently near $2.00 / gallon, an additional 2 or 3 MPG would only save me something like $5.00/week – driving 15,000 miles per year.
    Not enough to trouble me much . . .
    - Ray
    Still hoping for an improvement as break-in proceeds . . .
  • Ray, How many miles were on the G8. You say the AC was off, but were the windows open?
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    Miles @ start of trip: 234 miles.
    Sunroof open @ "full vent", other windows closed.
    Seats = I found them very comfortable & supportive...
    - Ray
    Another tank fill scheduled for tomorrow AM...
  • I did expect to meet or exceed the EPA number, under conditions like these.

    Does your gas contain ethanol? The gas mileage of my three cars drops from 7% to 10% when using E10. Modern engines are optimized for gasoline. It's hard to tell, but I suspect E10 interferes with the cylinder shutoff in my 300C on interstate highways.
  • You will exceed the highway MPG by 1. The vehicle needs to be broken in. I tested two broken-in G8s and achieved 25mpg.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    "Does your gas contain ethanol? "
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    Two more data points, for those playing along at home:

    Point 1:
    I filled the tank early this AM.
    Traveled 296 miles since filled.
    Gage showed just under a quarter tank remaining.
    “RANGE” showed 87 miles.
    Fill took 14.0 gallons of premium – at $1.86.9/gal.
    That is 21.1 MPG.
    DIC showed 21.7 MPG.
    Approx two thirds of this tank was a portion of the Interstate leg driving home from my Florida trip = 65 to 73 MPH.
    The other third was my usual commute, in & out of MidTown Atlanta.

    Point 2:
    As soon as I filled the tank, I drove my typical inbound commute.
    Warm engine, A/C off.
    This is approx 18+ miles of Interstate, starting at approx 5:45AM – so reasonable traffic – no cruise control – speeds generally 60 to 75 MPH.
    When I left the Interstate, for the final 3 miles or so of surface street driving, the DIC showed 22.4 MPG.
    Driven identically, under the same conditions, my Corvette’s DIC would show 28 to 29 MPG.

    Car: 2009 G8 GT – just passed 1,000 miles.
    - Ray
    Hoping for some improvement, once she is broken-in . . .
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,898
    rayain software, how do ya know the fuel doesn't contain ethanol?
    is there a specific-gravity test like the little turkey-baster with tiny floating balls inside for testing car batteries?
    i understand that all "gasoline" in USA has a nonzero and nontrivial amount of ethanol, but i'd prefer to be wrong about that.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    My understanding is that many states
    ( including GA ) must label if \ when any
    significant amount:

    Georgia - GA (1.5 % or higher)
  • how do ya know the fuel doesn't contain ethanol

    The E10 pumps in Florida should have a sticker (sometimes very hard to spot) stating "contains up to 10% ethanol". It is getting very hard to find pure gasoline in much of Florida because the State Energy Act lawmakers passed this spring requires all gasoline sold in Florida be 10% ethanol by 2010. This will give a huge boost to the auto, boat, and small engine repair industry.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Pontiac is not going anywhere. That said, it will likely get down sized to 2-3 cars and merge with Buick or Saturn. I don't believe GM will kill any brands but merging them and keeping the best models makes a lot of sense for restructuring.

    G8 and Solstice are the only 2 Pontiacs I like but I do like them A LOT!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    From everything I'm reading, Pontiac and Buick will get axed, even if GM doesn't go bankrupt.

    Either way, the Pontiac dealers here in NY/NJ will not budge below the Red Tag Pricing, so I've changed my mind completely, not only because they won't bargain, but they have a very cocky, unhumble attitude for a company on the brink of collapse! So instead I'll pickup an STi with 63 months of 0% financing!

  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I think you will realize you made a better choice for your money right now. Its too bad, those people are going against their own company. Its too late to salvage any pride now, they'll have to scrape themselves off the cement and try again. You subaru will be worth more in the long run too.

    I am really bummed that I cannot get out of my 08 G6 now, because Honda is offering amazing deals on their Accord, and 09 Acura TSX. I would imagine they would still be good in the Spring.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    “Either way, the Pontiac dealers here in NY/NJ will not budge below the Red Tag Pricing, so I've changed my mind completely, not only because they won't bargain, but they have a very cocky, unhumble attitude for a company on the brink of collapse! So instead I'll pickup an STi with 63 months of 0% financing!”

    Well – do what you want, obviously.
    I do find this odd.
    Every dealer in NY & NJ has this attitude?
    You talked with someone at each?

    But seriously, I have purchased out of state
    [ NC – I live in GA ]
    not that long ago, due to the local
    dealers attitudes, etc.

    I find it odd that anyone would walk away from
    a car they had actually decided was the best fit,
    for them, based on
    interactions with local dealers.

    I bought my G8 from a dealer further away from me
    than at least 6 other dealers that handle the
    Pontiac brand . .

    I was treated well & I was satisfied with the fair
    [ and fairly aggressive ] price and also the
    overall transaction & experience.

    My experience has been that sales reps attitude,
    knowledge & willingness to work for a sale vary
    rather dramatically even within a dealership.

    The ** ONLY ** person at the dealership where I
    bought my Corvette that I would ever consider
    buying another vehicle from [ I have had interactions
    with most of the rest of the sales staff,
    often while the ‘Vette was in for service ]
    was the one I did buy from. The rest were [ ahem ]
    not worth anything.

    YMMV – rather widely.

    - Ray
    Enjoy the Sti !!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    While I didn't go to *Every* dealer in NY/NJ area, I did hit up about 8-10 of them. All with almost the same attitude. Cocky, I don't have to deal, we aren't going anywhere, you can take it or leave it at the Red-Tag price attitude.

    Now how is this going to be when it comes time to get my car serviced, or if I should need warranty work? Will they cop the same attitude? Highly likely.

    If I were to have 8-10 bad servers at Applebees, I think that I would pretty much nix that chain off my list. Same goes for Pontiac. As much as I did like the car, I am not of the camp that there is only 1 car out there. I realize that buying a car also means how well will I be taken care of when I have 90,000 miles and need to get a part replaced under my extended factory warranty, etc.

    I really really wanted to buy an American-branded car this time around, but just as I was about to pull the trigger, I was reminded like a slap in the face, why I had left the American Car Market in the first place.

    Oh well! Maybe in 5 years they will have gotten their act together when I'm next due for a car.

  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Yep, I would avoid GM. I know I won't be back when I leave my 08 GM car anytime now.
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