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2008 Pontiac G8

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  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    .. I am happy with my G8 GT.
    I am happy with the Deal.
    - Ray
    Happy, happy, happy.....
  • Ray, I couldn't be happier with the G8 myself. A buddy of mine purchased a WRX STi. He quoted all kinds of ridiculous 0-60 times, handling numbers, braking distances, etc. I fixed him by taking it for a ride, only I brought my stopwatch. As it turns out, testers achieved the glories numbers with the WRX by revving the engine to redline while proceeding to dump the clutch. They rely on AWD and a wound up elastic band to achieve a good 0-15MPH time and then the wimpy 4 banger proceeds to carry through to 60. The car sounds like it is going to fall apart when you dump the clutch. Well my buddy could never achieve close what the magazines posted. As a matter of fact one magazines admitted that the car was faster with the smaller tires. Others said it was faster on slippery surfaces. The idea was not to slow the engine down too much after dumping the clutch because it has no torque what so ever in the lower RPM (4 cyl, turbo) )range. Other things to note about the STi is the cheap feeling interior, economy car looks and crappy gas mileage for a torqueless 4 cylinder and poor stopping distances.

    I was miles ahead of him when he thought he could take on my C5 on the highway. I am sure the G8 would produce similar results.

    So you are happy because you bought a V8 RWD vehicle for around 30k that is built and drives more like a BMW & Mercedes than a cheap economy car with a 4 CYL turbo. Seriously, there is such a difference in feel between the two cars. It is like night and day. Only one of the vehicles delivers consistent pull at any speed which is what you get when you opt for the V8.

    Bottom line, I would have given GM an extra 10k to not have to settle for a 4 CYL that drinks gas like an 8.

    I think Paisan has been writing GM and recommending they put a 4 CYL tubo in the GXP and Z06 and also to increase the stopping distances so he can pay 26k for it.

    The G8 is an excellent value for the money. In my opinion it competes with cars costing 10k more.

    Just one more comment. The prices Paisan quoted for a fully loaded g8 are plain wrong. Loaded a 2008 lists for about 33k and the 2009 lists for about 35k. I purchased both an 08 and a 09. the 30k price for the 09 is stripped. I priced it on several websites and I have my original window stickers. Some people are masters of missinformation. And he is doing it so he can drive the country into the ground.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,020
    I was going to move a lot of the posts from this past weekend over to Auto News Do you favor a government loan to the Big 3?, but decided that one is going off the charts with postings and adding the off topic posts from here would be too confusing. However, if you wish to contemplate the future of America's auto industry, it should be in the Auto News forum and not here.

    Happy hoidays and thanks for your future cooperation!

    Community Manager If you have any questions or concerns about the Forums, send me an email, karen@edmunds.com, or click on my screen name to send a personal message.

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    Clearly, one can choose whatever one would like to spend your $$s on. For whatever reasons make sense to you.

    The Impreza WRX STi seems rather a stretch to compare with a G8 GT, but whatever . . .
    [ G8 wheelbase is almost a foot longer!
    Length almost 2 feet longer !!
    G8 is approx. 500 pounds heavier.
    Etc.
    These are enormous differences! ]

    And if you really want AWD and a manual trans, clearly the G8 is a non-starter.

    Even if the acceleration numbers ( with comparable launch techniques ) are reasonably close – the character of the driving experience is likely very different than a G8 GT. I am just really surprised that if either one really appeals to you – the other one does, too. Seems very odd, to me.

    [ I do not want or need the complexity of AWD, and I have no desire for a manual trans – so the Subaru never was even on my radar. ]

    If that is what you want – best of luck!

    - Ray
    Enjoy!
  • You know, I'm shocked at your outlook on dealerships and what they should be giving you when most the guys are starving right now. Just because the auto business is in trouble doesn't mean it is going away, even with a bankruptcy. With all your chest banging, I'd think you would know that. Nevertheless, as a sales associate at a dealership who sells the car in question, you are dreaming. These guys are commission only. You know what they make if they sell a new car right now??? If they are lucky, about 100 bucks. How many cars do you think they are selling right now? Take a wild freaking guess.

    And you want a deal??? Unbelievable. If you want a deal, buy a used g8 gt. with 15,000 to 17,000 miles; they are going for about 23k.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,320
    Karen: It has been interesting to read the [non-permissible content removed] tats because it confirms my 40 year belief that the cheapest screws out there are Preachers, Teachers, & Engineers.

    The above three occupations were always so self centered, self important, and always knew my product better than I, or so they thought.

    They took the most of my time, but after I sold them on my product, they stayed with me for years and we have become friends and are now labled as "good stewards of their Christian tithe".

    Previous posts subjects: Pontiac and Subaru

    Subaru spelled backwards= You are a bus and

    P O N T I A C = "Poor old Norwegian thinks its a Cadillac" :)
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    Paison by cwonder
    Dec 22, 2008 (1:21 pm)

    Replying to: rayainsw (Dec 22, 2008 10:07 am)
    You know, I'm shocked at your outlook on dealerships and what they should be giving you when most the guys are starving right now. Just because the auto business is in trouble doesn't mean it is going away, even with a bankruptcy. With all your chest banging, I'd think you would know that. Nevertheless, as a sales associate at a dealership who sells the car in question, you are dreaming. These guys are commission only. You know what they make if they sell a new car right now??? If they are lucky, about 100 bucks. How many cars do you think they are selling right now? Take a wild freaking guess.

    And you want a deal??? Unbelievable. If you want a deal, buy a used g8 gt. with 15,000 to 17,000 miles; they are going for about 23k.


    In my neck of the woods, I can pick up a 2008 G8 GT with under 20,000 miles for less than 20k.

    I will have to wait, however, because 96% of them are former rental cars, which I definitely will not buy given that they've been beat on.

    I'm sure if I wait a year, 16k for an under 26,000 miles or so G8 GT will be more than possible.
  • Gold commodities have been a loosing proposition for years. The only thing that has under performed gold in the last 30 years is the US auto industry. What you have to ask yourself is how would Paison would handle the situation if a prospective customer offered to buy gold off of him at a loss?

    Picture it: you work really hard 40-50 hours a week barley squeaking by and somebody walks into your place of business and calls you an arrogant American because you won't sell him an ounce of bullion $750.

    His argument is "times are tough", take it or leave it.

    This country is going to the dogs because of the way we treat it. Paison is the typical American that tries every thing he can to take down his own country with ignorance. How many Americans know that Fords quality is equal to Toyota and Honda and actually surpasses Nissan. How many Americans know that American vehicles have surpassed vehicles made in Europe on quality for years. What is the gain to scare people into thinking American cars fall apart when it isn't true anymore? Some people just love to hear themselves talk; Right or wrong.

    I have heard every engineer joke out there but engineers strive for accuracy by research. If they don't, believe me a peer will and put egg all over your face in front of your team and manager. Thats how you get ahead.

    I once argued with my wifes uncle for two hours trying to convince him that a Cadillac CTS or even a G8 may be an alternate vehicle to his Acura TL. He has purchased Acuras for years now. He started to get mad and said the conversation is over because we would never come to agreement. This is the killer. Both his TL and the G8 were parked outside in the parking lot. Have I driven a TL before, YES. Has he ever driven a CTS or G8, NO.

    I couldn't believe he just assumed he was right with just perception backing his argument. Myself, the first thing I would have done is asked to try the G8.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,354
    Could be he had an American car fall apart on him in the last few years. Just like me.

    It's a shame nice people work for dealers and manufacturers who carry inferior products. The market place weeds them out sooner or later. Just like the folks who bought too much on credit. It catches up.

    Was it OK that I priced a G8 GT in August and it had a $3,000 MAP price tacked on to the sticker price? All's fair in Love and War, my friend. The tables have turned and it's a buyer's market now. I LOVE IT!

    Regards,
    OW
  • Could be he had an American car fall apart on him in the last few years.


    Was it a Camry???? I know Toyota was on Consumer reports unreliable (NOT RECOMMEND) list for a couple of years. Test drove one myself for my niece, we couldn't get by the crunches we heard from the front suspension. She opted for the much more reliable Ford Fusion.

    Did you two buy an American made Camry??? Or did you by a Tundra and have a cam shaft failure???
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Could be he had an American car fall apart on him in the last few years. Just like me.

    It's a shame nice people work for dealers and manufacturers who carry inferior products. The market place weeds them out sooner or later. Just like the folks who bought too much on credit. It catches up.

    Was it OK that I priced a G8 GT in August and it had a $3,000 MAP price tacked on to the sticker price? All's fair in Love and War, my friend. The tables have turned and it's a buyer's market now. I LOVE IT!

    Regards,
    OW


    Several American cars have fallen apart on me. The dealers are cocky, and don't understand "customer service", and hence why I personally wouldn't buy one unless the price was reflective of said build quality.

    You guys can spout numbers, and what not, but just like anything in life, perception is reality, and American car companies are percieved to be of lower quality. Kinda like that girl in school who got around, no matter how much of a "new leaf" she has turned, it's hard to shake a bad rep.

    I'm no fan of FWD cars, so the Camcordima doesn't really phase me.

    As for comparing 0-60 or rolling start straightline highway numbers of an STi to a RWD V8 is kinda dumb. However throw in some twisties and some elevation changes and those brembo brakes, awd and handling would definitely out-drive the G8.

    For those who are curious, this is my 3rd car, hence why the G8, STi, and a lot of other cars are in the running for my $. My 05 LGT does my daily driving, my 04 Armada tows my cigarette boat, and has gotten a ton of props from the guys towing with Ford/GM/Dodges at the boat ramps...

    Anyway, I'm done with this discussion, as it's both off topic and circular reasoning, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the quality of american v. foreign cars.

    Hopefully GM/Ford/Chrysler can pull out of this, as I'd love nothing more than to buy a car that is high quality at a good price...

    -mike
    Subaru Guru and Track Instructor
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,354
    I bought a Yukon Denali which is up to $3,6000 worth of repairs in 6 years. What a joke.

    No more GM, that's for certain.

    Regards,
    OW
  • Hi, no offense here, but I have to disagree with you on the "customer service" area of your comment. I have owned/leased/had daily access to over 20 vehicles, mostly GM, 1 Toyota and 1 Honda, and had more difficulty getting problems resolved with the foreign makes than the GM cars combined.

    Also, I just purchased a G8, and love it. Depending on your tastes it makes a great car. I also got 26% off of sticker price on a new '09. That totaled about $7900 off. Plus, I love the car, did I mention that. Hopefully GM will be around long enough to handle any unforeseen needs down the road. I would hate to see them or either other make fail. It is truly sad.
  • bought a Yukon Denali which is up to $3,6000 worth of repairs in 6 years. What a joke.

    No more GM, that's for certain.

    Regards,
    OW

    Well you had better stay away from the impreza STI too if reliability is top on your list.The Suby is rated ONLY AVERAGE for 07 & 08 according to Consumer reports.

    It falls short in Paint/Trim and Squeaks & rattles. Transmission troubles also plagued some of the older models.

    The squeaks and rattles I can attest to on the model I drove. Again, pop the clutch and listen to what is happening. You would have to be deaf to buy that car after trying that out.

    On the other hand the cheap Ford Fusion should be at top of your list if reliability is important as it received "Much Better Than Average" in CR for 07 & 08.

    The G8 is one of the tightest vehicles I have every owned. Absolutely no squeaks and rattles on any of the 4 models I have driven

    Squeaks and rattles are a big turn off to me. It seems that the STI is better suited for someone who can't hear (squeaks and rattles) or see (poor paint & trim). These issues are mostly impossible to fix.

    As far as AWD vs RWD for me it is a matter of fun and being practical. I think you can change the track around and get AWD to beat just about any RWD. That said, I drive on the street where I think RWD is more fun, plus it allows a for better a better fuel economy/acceleration compromise. It is also more reliable (all things being equal.

    It is interesting to see the 09 ZO6 go up against GT-R. Again, I think the test track can sway the results one way or the other.

    Another item I refuse to give up is neck snapping torque. STI is not even an option.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,354
    I am glad the G8 reports are good so far. It is the first car in years that lives up to an form of excitement for GM. Too bad it was too little too late. The mark of quality and high price finally bit them in the end.

    AWD is an option that works well. That's why it sells. I saw a video where a Carrera S lost to a C4S. All things being equal, it is very usable for AWD to help drivers keep control. RWD is way for fun.

    Regards,
    OW
  • It is just me? Shouldn't the top of the line G8 offer Nav as an option? Tremendous oversight for those who travel extensively for business. RWD, great motor, good looking inside and out with no Nav......I know you can get a Garmin, etc for less but who wants the wires running all over the place. Hard to beat a factory look for Nav. Had a '96 Bonneville and loved it. Ran it 75K in two years (company paid mileage penalty) and bought it off lease for the wife. She ran it to 122K with no major problems. Small aggravating things from time to time, yes. 3.8L ran well and handling was a bit sporty for a full size car. I lost interest in Pontiac till the G8. No Nav is a deal breaker. I will keep running my Honda till 200K hopefully until domestic car business shakes out. Cheers!
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    I have found the OnStar "Turn-by-turn" with
    approaching turns displayed in the DIC to be all I need...

    As always, YMMV.
    - Ray
    Happy @ 1,800 miles & counting....
  • Finally, no argument here. The G8 should have a Nav system and most importantly a bluetooth sync system such as fords Microsoft deal. I have top of the line garmim with bluetooth and voice commands. The bluetooth speaker/mic couldn't hold a candle to the onstar phone system in the G8. I never use the Garmin, but I really like using the hands free Onstar phone.

    That said the garmin does traffic, weather, stock, news, etc. It also has a wireless remote that attaches to the steering wheel. Still, GM should offer the Nav and sync.

    16k miles on two G8s, very happy for the money.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I think the new G8 is an example of what they could accomplish across the board. I think it will be a strong contender. It is a great start. But, with GM and its problems now, it will leave a lasting impression on future buyers. Consumers will not let GM live this down for a long time. I too, will more than likely not be back to GM after I am through with my 08. They will really have to up their game to win me over. I don't feel that I should have to pay over $40k for a GM car to get the quality that should be on all of their cars. Not aimed on the GM, more towards the CTS. That is a real issue.
  • I agree, the G8 is a fine car. It really shows that America can do it. They need to make it lower price, reliable, and as good if not better than BMW in a nutshell.
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