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2008 Pontiac G8



  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    I was hoping for a Chevy-badged G8 with Chevy ergonomics inside but I guess it will never be. I'm leaning over the edge right now, and will either pull the trigger or pass by Tuesday when the incentives end.

    I don't like Pontiac styling and it is more than just the surface aesthetics. A Pontiac has a certain style/reputation that I've never been a fan of...I'll take Chevy style with Cadillac (or better) materials over anything. I consider myself a "regular guy" with a taste for quality. I don't particularly want a Pontiac OR Cadillac. Toyota might fit me individually but the average arrogance of it's dealers and/or owners is a huge turn off. Other foreign brands suffer the same issue to varying degrees.

    So, I will also go with the stance that looks DO matter as does brand. If this were a Chevy, aside from the front-end not being an issue, I would have already overlooked the Aussie quirks inside rather than dwelling on them. It's psychological but it doesn't make it any less "real." :)
  • carstrykecarstryke Posts: 168
    manual transmission is available on the lower and higher end models(holden commordore) why doesnt the g8 offer it in the GT and base models. Perhaps the market for manual transmissions are better in AUS, however me personally wouldnt buy a g8 auto :/ if i wanted to drive a automatic id keep driving my boring basic poor mans chev impala ><. I mean this car is beautiful and is pretty much what im looking for minus the auto tranny flaw :/ (not everyone can afford a gxp). O well hopefully these pick up in sales or it does get rebadged into a chev though, cuz id be damned if i will ever be a eco freak in a prius or volt.
  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    I can definitely see your point. I am pretty sure the manual transmission is only a performance thing these days (at least in profit margin car). The cost of automatic transmissions has come down enough that the option becomes more expensive in the way of calculating the cost of supporting two (or more) options (as you state, you're paying a premium to get the GXP). Unfortunately, it seems you either have to go large or small for a manual these days. Although, once the price premium goes away, the new Camaro could work. I would probably buy one of those now but the dealers are demanding $7K+ over the sticker. I'd love to have the newest thing on the road but not for that kind of money.
    As for going eco-freak, I would definitely consider something like a Volt or other high-tech/high-efficiency option. However, it will be a second car, parked neatly beside my new G8 (which I'm leaning more and more towards). I've heard of other older generation motor heads that have become eco-crazy with hyper-miling. They now strive for maximum miles per gallon rather than the opposite. The first Prius owner our company hired was that way. That trait is in me as well as I enjoy the power of these cars but also try to maximize fuel mileage most of the time. In my current car ('06 Chevy Impala SS), I keep my display in the "Inst Economy" mode so I can continuously monitor my fuel mileage. It's taught me a few tricks at maximizing mileage even though there isn't much leeway.
    Anyway, back to the manual option, I don't see it coming mainstream. There's just not enough people who actually prefer it. I once did but back problems make me want to keep my legs in the few comfortable positions I have left and that doesn't include manual shifting. :sick: As for the younger generation, they are less and less in touch with their cars so the appeal is lost on them.
  • carstrykecarstryke Posts: 168
    I agree, especially with bit about the younger generation being less and less in touch with their cars. I wanna slap 4-5 of my friends upside the head who have spent $35,000-$45,000 (cdn $)on smaller to midsize suv's. Not to mention a good chunk of my friends never have and never will drive a manual tranny. As for me i will wait and hopefully gm will give me a vehicle like the g8 that i can afford that comes with a manual tranny but that is a very unrealistic thing to think :/ I guess it all boils down to vehicles are just appliances for us north americans(yes there are exceptions but to most people), the less work the better. Im pretty sure we will have couches that scratch our own butt's for us in 10 years anyways.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,828
    carstryke, i'd probably be driving a G8 Gt (or V6!) if it were available with manual trans.
    the homologation cost for an additional manual-trans drivetrain probably no worth it for GM for such low production #s..
    we're lucky to have a chance to buy the car with the 4 drivetrains they did/do homologate&offer! cheers...
  • wideglidewideglide Posts: 146
    GM seems to have sort of adopted The Henry Ford approach; You can have it any way you want, as long as it has an auto transmission and a black interior. And they wonder why they're bankrupt! Give people what they want, or they will find someone who will! :mad:
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    Too bad they have not adopted the Porsche 911 approach:

    "Options Code: 99
    Leather Interior To Sample
    Includes leather trim interior color to match customer's unique color sample. (Subject to restriction - please see dealer for details; may add additional 3 to 6 months to complete order."
    [[ ONLY $1,750 MSRP ]]
    - Ray
    Happy with black & red seats in my silver G8 GT...
  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    Took delivery of my '09 G8 GT on 30 Jun and I'm lovin' it. I have babied it up to 600 miles but did inadvertently break the rules regarding driving over 68 mph for extended periods. I re-read the manual last night and realized that we're not supposed to exceed 68 mph (for more than 5 minutes) until we get to 3000. I think I'll be ok, though. :) Does anyone know what is so special about 68 mph?

    I love the exclusivity of this car. I saw a total of three on my 500 mile trip this weekend. All were different colors (including mine). I've waited a long time for a car that fits what I want. Aside from the daytime visibility of the dash, this car is nearly perfect.

    Anyone know of a way to lock the driver's door other than using the FOB or key? I liked the delayed locking feature on my Impala but if I'm forced to use the FOB, at least it gives me an excuse to look back at my baby each time. :)
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    I recently returned from a round trip drive to visit friends on the Florida [ panhandle ] coast &#150; and passed 9,500 miles on the return leg. So &#150; as I approach 10,000 miles, I decided to document a few impressions of my 2009 G8 GT.

    Executive Summary: I enjoy every drive in this car & it has met or exceeded every expectation. If it was flattened by a meteorite in the parking lot today, I&#146;d make every effort to replace it with an identical G8 GT &#150; same color & equipment. That is very high praise, indeed.

    Car: Sport Package, Premium Package, Sunroof.

    A few details: MPG has risen slowly but steadily, as I have added miles. In my first 3,000 miles, including a virtually identical trip to visit the same friends in Florida, I was averaging 18 MPG overall &#150; and that trip MPG was approx. 22.5. This past trip &#150; driving exactly the same route @ the same speeds, & under somewhat less favorable weather conditions [ much hotter ] for fuel mileage, I averaged approx. 25.0.

    My overall average has gradually risen to nearly 20 MPG [ 19.97 according to my Excel spreadsheet ], from about 18 early on.

    My &#145;best&#146; MPG, under near ideal conditions has risen also. Typically once each week I stop at the same station & fill at the same pump &#150; then immediately drive 20 or so Interstate miles as the first portion of my commute to work, leaving before 6AM and entering the highway when traffic is relatively light and I can generally maintain 65 to 70 MPH. I reset the DIC at the fill. When I exit the highway portion of my commute I check the DIC. When new, the MPG would display 22 to 23. I have seen this rise to 25 then to 26 then to 28 &#150; and this morning, best ever, it displayed 29.4 MPG. Not bad at all, in my view.

    Dynamically, I still see this as the closest thing to a four door Corvette [ I traded in a C6 &#145;Vette Coupe ] on the market in the U.S. of A. - for a reasonable price. And I see the actually transaction prices, now that the initial MSRP + + nonsense has long disappeared, as a screaming bargain.

    I do have some concerns about long term parts availability & service &#150; we shall see.

    Driving 6+ hours at a time, to and from Florida on this past trip, I was reminded of several things:

    1 - How comfortable the cabin is. The seats remain comfortable & supportive even after long stretches of seat time. The seat, steering wheel, pedals relationship is ergonomically excellent, for me. I find the quality of the interior materials, fit & finish to be very acceptable. And I have experienced no squeaks, rattles, moans or groans &#150; even when driven over poor road surfaces.

    2 &#150; How terrific the performance of this drivetrain is. For example, I had occasion a couple of times during this trip, on rural 2 lane roads, to blast past someone dawdling at 5 or 10 MPH below the speed limit. By the time my foot moves from steady quarter throttle in sixth gear to WOT and I start to swing into the other lane, the 6L80 trans. has quickly dropped to second or third gear and the acceleration rate is quite satisfying. Very nice.

    3 &#150; How steady & secure the handling is. I hit over an hour of steady [ often monsoon ] rain on the return leg of the trip. The car handles this annoyance very well &#150; feels precise & secure at all times. In my daily driving, the Sport suspension performs with a near ideal compromise [ for me ] between firmness \ responsiveness and comfort. I find that the damping rates, bushings, springs and tires work very well together.

    4 &#150; I have had my issues with XM marketing \ sales \ [ automatic re-]billing, but on such a trip, I really enjoy and appreciate the choices & the good reception outside metropolitan Atlanta.

    5 &#150; The Turn-By-Turn directions are useful & generally well implemented.

    6 &#150; I enjoy having a sunroof again - with the option of closed, open, multiple vent positions, sunshade, etc. This is one feature I really missed driving the Corvette &#150; the coupe&#146;s removable roof I found basically useless.

    7 &#150; Fun. This car is remarkable fun to drive.
    And that is very important to me.

    - Ray
    No buyers remorse here . . .
  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    Excellent review and at approx 1300 miles, I'm in full agreement. It's good to hear the solidness of this chassis remains in tact up to at least 10,000 miles. My Impala impressed me with the lack of squeaks and rattles, especially for all the cheap plastic used in it's dash and door panels. Based upon that car's durability and my impression of this car's construction and more than sufficient quality of parts, I foresee no real problems ahead.
    I take my car in to the Chevy dealer here in my hometown of Parkersburg, WV tomorrow. I'm having the brakes and transmission checked (vibration and "slipping", respectively). These are minor nuisances and I expect to be fully satisfied with them either fixing the problems or possibly being unable to duplicate. (This is a freebie visit since I don't live here and have had great service from them in the past). I will expect the problems resolved from the selling dealer but if tomorrow's visit is successful, I'll have peace of mind a little sooner.
    One final note, I hope that others speak up more here. I really enjoyed the comradery in the Impala forums. With such a great car, I figured this board would be very busy...even with the low sales numbers. If you're out there reading, please contribute. We all will enjoy hearing your experiences and may even turn you on to something new with your car.

    Have a great day, all! :)
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,703
    I would opt for a G8 if they offered a lease on them. I would have a little fun with the V8!
  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    Great news! I was waiting for a new Impala based on the Holden but went with the G8 when it looked like it was going away altogether. Based upon the pictures, I'll stick with the G8 BUT...if I can manage to get the DIC (and possibly stereo) out of a Caprice, I'll be fully satisfied. The G8's looks have grown on me but that STUPID dim red display is plain idiotic, Pontiac at its worst. Maybe my G8 will turn into a "hybrid" of sorts with Pontiac/Chevy/and possibly Holden parts before it's all over. :)
  • sporin71sporin71 Posts: 26
    This is great news for sure. :)

    Bear in mind that the Middle East Caprice is NOT our G8. In the ME, the car that our G8 is based on is their Lumina. The ME Caprice is based on the stretched Commodore, not the one that underpins our G8. tml?cntryCd=KW

    I only point this out because I see them being confused a lot on other forums and blogs.
  • etcarrolletcarroll Posts: 87
    That's great to hear, however, I wish it had happened sooner, I couldn't nurse my 2001 Impala any further, so just exchanged it for a 2003.

    Guess this will serve as my 'bridge' car till the Caprice SS, (maybe Impala SS???) or 2011 Genesis arrive.
  • cracoviancracovian Posts: 337
    2001 and it already needed nursing (?) a bit unsettling, I guess... I often catch myself still thinking about my 2002 Trooper as a new car :)

    Korean (and the upcoming Chinese wave) is where I draw the line. I don't mind "foreign" but buying Hyundai or Kia (technically one company) is just wrong. Seeing how GM is setting up its shop in Korea (while VW, BMW, and Toyota expand its factory network in the US) is also sad.
  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    At the risk of going political, health care is the key difference that is leading the domestics elsewhere while foreign brands thrive. Notice that the foreign brands set up shop in the south where labor laws are more conducive to non-union (read no health care) labor.

    Things may change in time to save American auto manufacturing but only time will tell.
  • jlaszlojlaszlo Posts: 30
    Trying to decide between a fully loaded GT (sports, premium and sunroof) and a GT with no options. I could care less about leather seats, power seats, sport pedals, etc) but do care about a leather steering wheel and if the 18" wheels look too small on the car. I would like a sunroof but it's not a deal-breaker. The price difference between the two cars, after taxes and discounts, is about $2500.

    I noticed on the option packages that the Sport package lists a "leather wrapped sport steering wheel." Does it look or feel different than the standard GT steering wheel? Also, do the 18s look appreciably smaller than the 19s? I believe they're the same design.

    The only remaining GTs in Atlanta have both option packages so I haven't seen one without them to compare. A dealer out of town has these two cars in stock so I'm doing this semi-blind. Thanks
  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    I haven't seen a non-leather steering wheel but I did ask. The non-leather steering wheels have the basic soft/foam/rubber coating around the entire wheel. On mine, the perforated leather is definitely noticeable. On the left side of mine, the pin holes are a little noticeable (may have been stretched a little too tight?) but it's not a problem. I definitely prefer it over the standard wheel, though. I think you're forgetting the leather shifter, as well. Another plus that I would definitely want.

    I don't know that the 18s look much smaller but the design is noticeably different. I don't exactly LOVE the 19" wheels but the 18" wheels are not for me (not sure why...maybe they look "dated" to me?). The 19s are smooth surfaced where the 18s have an indented surface on each spoke. You should be able to see both on the Pontiac web site and decide.

    Overall, the added extras make the car look a bit classier, in my opinion. Either way, though, I think you'll really be happy with it. I love mine. :) ;)
  • Bob Lutz reversed himself today and said the G8 is gone and will not reappear in any form after all....that must have been an "interesting" meeting with Fritz. So anyone who wants a new G8, get one while you can. I like mine a lot so far; however prices of parts unique to this car (which is most of 'em) will only get more expensive and less readily available.
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