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2007 Jeep Wrangler

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Full Test: 2007 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara

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  • xoffroadxoffroad Posts: 4
    Rumor has it, TJ will be replaced with KJ based vehicle. Gone are solid front axles, and ladder frames with the 4.0L pushing it all. In are IFS unibody framed cute-ute styled vehicles pushed with a 2.4L 4cyl, 2.8L Desiel, or the destructable 3.7L V6.

    If you want to know what the body will look like, take a late model tracker and put the liberty front end on. Heard no more removable doors.
  • dwrestledwrestle Posts: 72
    There is no way Jeep would get rid of the Wrangler look, it's everything Jeep is, and everything Jeep was, and everything Jeep will be in the future. They would have to be nuts to get rid of the Wrangler, they might get rid of the 4.0 for the 3.7, and they might(I'm hoping)put the 2.8 Diesel in it, but they won't make that dramatic of a change, besides the vehicle you are describing is a Liberty.
  • davesbrewdavesbrew Posts: 45
    Just got my latest Car and Driver in the mail and there's a pic and blurb about the new wrangler. I'm going off memory right now, so some of this may be incorrect, but it says it will be released in early 2006 as a 2007 model. Changes include revised doors (hard to tell from pic whether they were still removable), round side mirrors, integrated front bumper/winch assembly, and new headlight/foglight assembly, and that's about all i remember off hand.
    The bumper/winch looked slick, the side mirrors very old school- think 1950's ford/chevy pickup-esque. Doors looked similar, but hard to tell because of the angle.
    The headlights were round (at least they learned that lesson), and the foglights were integrated into it a little down and to the outside, so the 2 circles (headlight and foglamp) shared a little common area in the corner. I think car and driver described it as looking "Siamese", but as I am fairly unfamiliar with folks from Siam, that term didnt mean a whole lot to me.

    Anywho, that's about all I can remember. I've been trolling this and the regular wrangler board for a while, but because I am as-of-yet jeepless, I havent had anything to post about.
    Hopefully one of these days I'll become a more regular poster.

  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    It was shown in another forum that the C&D photo is just a Photoshopped image of the Rescue concept vehicle... Photochop done by user "electric sheep".


  • fformula88fformula88 Posts: 30
    I wouldn't be surprised if the next Wrangler did incorporate a lot of styling ques from the Rescue concept, but it is not going to look as close as that pic is, unless they are going to downsize it to scale. The Rescue is huge.

    I have seen some sources indicate the Wrangler would use the libby platform, but the most recent articles I have seen have indicated that the Wrangler will remain on its own platform. I cannot remember an exact source at the moment, but I think it was in a Toledo newpaper article regarding the Jeep assembly plant expansions, and new construction. However, I am not sure.

    I know a lot of Jeep people fear what DCX will do to the Wrangler, but I also think they realize that the Wrangler represents the Jeep image, and that image is what sells all those IFS Liberty's. However, its hard to speculate what it might have or might not since DCX has been awfully quiet on the whole thing.

    Knowing what the Wrangler means to the brands image, I do not expect they will screw around with it a whole lot. They need it to comply with increasingly tighter safety standards which could end the ability to offer removeable doors. Thank the government, not Jeep for that. However, they still have a couple years to engineer a solution to it. IFS vs Axle is a big debate, and I wouldn't be surprised to see an IFS. Maybe the solution could be having an IFS installed on a subframe for the bulk of Wranglers that are bought for daily driving and do not venture far off road (ala the Mustang Cobra IRS), and a solid axle option for the off roaders.

    The 4.0L is going to die. Its an old engine that really is getting a little long in the tooth. I do not think the Libby 3.7L is a good solution, but maybe they will make improvements to that motor or come out with another. I heard rumors that DCX is looking at making a 6 cylinder version of their V8 hemi. That might be a better solution than the 3.7L.

    Most everything up to this point is still speculation. So don't panic yet, and be sure to tell DCX what you want to see, or don't want to see in the new Wrangler. They do listen!
  • dwrestledwrestle Posts: 72
    put the 2.8 CRD or some other diesel engine in it, if they are going to put a V6 Hemi engine in it why don't they just lob two cylinders off the 5.7 Hemi. Chevy lobbed two cylinders off the 5.7 Liter to make the 4.3 Liter, the 4.3 is one hell of an engine to, maybe the 5.7 Liter Hemi with two cylinders lobbed off would be a 4.3 Liter Hemi, or it would be cool if it's a 4.2 because Wranglers used to have a 4.2 anyway.

    Is there some reason they don't just lob off two cylinders, maybe that don't work for a Hemi engine, hopefully they put an MDS system in any other engine they put in any Jeep, even if it's a 4 cylinder diesel engine.

    I don't see the difference between IFS and Solid Axle except Solid Axles are older and seem better suited for the Wrangler because it's simpler, other than that I could care less, the Liberty and Grand Cherokee are great off road and both have IFS.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    on the Wrangler forum. In a replacement for a Wrangler, what features would you need for it to have to be a Jeep Wrangler (or its true replacement)?

    Removable doors?
    IFS or SRA?
    Roll cage?
    4.0L engine?

    What features make a Jeep a Jeep? Let's hope DC is reading this and takes serious note.

  • steven2steven2 Posts: 37
    they update the interior a bit. the rugged look works on the outside, but inside we need real seats. if its reaqlly an offroad vehicle, a navi system would be fitting on the higher end classes.
  • Navigation systems usually only have roads programmed in them. Off-roaders would find better use with a GPS, which are handheld anyways.
  • Please don't encourage DC to simply chop two cylinders off the existing Hemi to create a Hemi V6. That is what GM did with the 4.3V6 which, while a decent engine in terms of reliability, is pretty rough.

    As we all know, 90 degree V6 engines usually require a counter-rotating balance shaft to run smoothly, and even then have a hard time running like a good 60 degree motor or an inline six.

    How about this - DC should develop a 60 degree 4.0 liter SOHC 3 valve per cylinder V6 that could be used as power for the Durango, Dakota and all Jeep models. Tune it for low end torque and output figures of 235hp and 255 lb-ft of torque would not be out of the question and definitely an improvement over any current offering. AND, it would likely be silky smooth.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,887
    am i missing something? i just get a page of specs on the current wrangler through that link.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • Just wanted to let you know that the Nav system that is currently being used in Jeep vehicles is GPS based and has a Trail Feature. When you leave a road, it automatically follows your course, dropping a 'crumb' every 150 feet so it can direct you on the way back. On the way back it drops crumbs too and combines the paths. It even gives you the opportunity to save the trail in the computer's memory so that you can return to your favorite places.
         It seems like just the NAV system an offroader would be looking for.
  • Hey, just a question.
    Have you seen this in a Wrangler?
    Just asking, because I've seen the Nav system on Ebay for around $900 but wanted to make sure it worked in a wrangler. I know some other aftermarket NAV systems require a connection to some type of Speed sensor, which I guess they use in conjunction to GPS?

    Thanks in advance for any help

  • I fully agree that 90-degree V-6 engines are inherently out of balance and I wish they would be abandoned by the auto industry. In-line 6 cyl. engines are best balanced. I wish that Jeep would develop a DOHC 4-valve-per-cylinder head for its in-line 6 engine instead of looking for ways to save more money.

    As for the Hemi, I have yet to see anything from Chrysler that proves its multiple displacement technology is fail-safe. I understand that, at cruising speeds, a pin is used to deactivate the valves on 4 of the 8 cylinders. I would like to know what happens if that pin wears out or breaks or gets stuck somehow. Come on DC, prove that it is fail safe. I also note that the AMG versions of certain Mercedes cars never adopted this technology although it appeared on other Mercedes models.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    usually do not require a connection to the speed system - they use calculations based on positions from the GPS satellite. Even my handheld Magellan does that. You can get the nav system from Mopar as well I believe.

  • No I haven't seen a Factory system (what we call an RB1 radio) in a Wrangler, but here's what I is not listed as an option in the newly published order guides...the mopar section of the jeep website lists a special bracket that you need if you are installing the RB1 in a wrangler, so it may be available soon. My original answer, as I'm sure you realize, was general...but the RB1 seems to be comong in the Wrangler soon - its a great system with many, many useful features for both on and off road.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    "I don't see the difference between IFS and Solid Axle except Solid Axles are older and seem better suited for the Wrangler because it's simpler, other than that I could care less, the Liberty and Grand Cherokee are great off road and both have IFS."


    I know this isn't exactly a timely reply, but this is my first visit to this discussion and I just read your post.

    Man, I can't believe you said that you can't see the difference between IFS and solid axle! There is all the difference in the world in articulation. IFS is terrible for off roading compared to solid axle!

    A Wrangler will go places a vehicle with IFS can only dream about!

    Also, unless they have changed them, and they very well might have, the Grands have solid front axles. Have they changed them to IFS?

    If I wanted to spend more time looking, I could probably find even better pictures to show the flex that I get with my Wrangler. This one below will have to do for now. Think you could get that kind of flex out of IFS? NO WAY! A vehicle with IFS is going to be nose down and leaned over to the right in that situation, or, it would be nose high and leaned to the left. In other words, the weight of the vehicle would all be on the right rear and left front tires.



    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    The 2005 GC has IFS. Think I'll be keeping my 2000 GC for a while to sit in the garage next to the Wrangler. :)

  • boredbored Posts: 300
    Nice pictures of Thelma Jane as usual, Tom. Looks like I can post again too. :-)

    However the front suspension may turn out, at least it has been confirmed that it will be body on frame... I seriously believe solid axles will live on in the 2007 Wrangler.

    As for the RB1, several people have been installing this system in their 2003-5 Wranglers already, with zero problems.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
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