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2007 Jeep Wrangler

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  • intoler8intoler8 Posts: 1
    I agree with you 100%. I am 6ft 5in tall and would never be able to own such small vehicles such as a miata or 911. I just don't fit.

    Like you, I also like the bumpy ride, the way it sits higher than all other vehicles, it;s minimalistic interior made for simplicity and reduced wear and tear. The seats are very comfortable, the best I have sat in of any truck/4X4. And the unlimited powertrain warranty can't be beat. Ask GM and Toyota if they will guarantee their product this long.

    Plus, I like the rugged looks of the Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. I get tons of compliments on how cool mine looks (Jeep Green Sahara Unlimited 4X4, Khaki interior/top and MyGig, it's loaded). I plan on getting American Racing Mojave wheels in Black teflon to give it a more military look.

    If someone says it is not as refined as Brand X, etc, they need to understand that it was never made to be a luxury SUV. I always use the analogy that the Jeep Wrangler Unlimited is the swiss army knife of vehicles. While it can do many things well (and almost anything), it will never be all things (a luxury car, give the best ride, be a Mercedes, etc). I am accepting of it being built for ruggedness and abuse while sacrificing the luxury of leather, smooth ride, etc. In AZ, you need a rugged vehicle. Roads are not that great, lots of dirt roads, rocks, dust, etc. It takes the abuse and keeps going.

    If you want a luxury jeep that drives better, get a Jeep Grand Cherokee or Range Rover, but for the money, you can't beat this vehicle. I am keeping mine forever!!!
  • If you don't know what RTI is. If you don't know what approach and departure angles are. If you don't know what breakover angles are. If you don't know what locking differentials are. If you don't know what your water fjording depth is.

    There are literally dozens of people hauling SUVs out there that pamper you at 85 mph on the fwy (got one - a Saturn Outlook) but the Wrangler is not one of them. If you're looking for comfort, steer clear, this is not your ride (though it's easily the most comfortable, refined Wrangler yet, by a good margin). The Wrangler was and is the one and only true get-you-anywhere vehicle made and Jeep is selling every one of them at full pop and trying to figure out how to add a third shift to crank these hits out.

    If you want to cut it down for being rough or noisy or unrefined, you'd be right and are looking at/bought the wrong vehicle. Too bad. On the other hand, the Jeep engineer's did the miraculous. They took the great TJ (previous generation) and made it better in every empirical way including off road specifications and preformance. Furthermore, they did the near impossible by ensuring that the Wrangler soul was not lost in the process. I had a rough, hot, bumpy, loud, and very capable YJ. My new JK is truly a remarkable improvement.

    When the road gets slippery, rocky and ugly, you'll think of this post and the Wrangler you should have been in.
  • If you are considering a Jeep Wrangler you had better find and old one before 2007, They have been recalled for stalling at highway speeds, recalled for ABS errors, Dry starting 3.8 mini van engine problems with valves tapping and harsh vibrating issues, clunking and rattling inside dash boards and door pillars. We had ours for 18 months and it with many others spent all the time in the shop with no help from Chrysler warranty except we have not had any problems like this. Sold that POS last month at a $12,000 loss with only 12K miles on it. Dont believe me? check out the governments site on safety http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/. These things are poorly built and have no power, ride bad, poor MPG and are very unsafe be on highways.
  • av8tr1av8tr1 Posts: 1
    I have been a Wrangler owner since '99. I have read reviews on the '98 I bought and have heard the same complaints throughout time (to rough, to bumpy, to noisy, not enough yuppie). If you want a vehicle that rides like a luxury car with all the luxury care do-dads, well.. buy a luxury car. Please do me a favor.. soccer moms and latte sippers need not apply! I love my Wrangler. The only thing I would trade it in on is a new one. It's the only vehicle I will ever own, noisiness, bumpiness and all. I wouldn't have it any other way. So please, please stop comparing it to those princess SUV's. There is no comparison.
  • Hi all, My 07 Unlimited Wrangler has the same problem, end of summer 2007 the dealer changed the steering stabalizer. I had my 17 rims on at that time. The problem seemed to be fixed. During this last winter season i had on my 16 inch rims with winter T. Last week i put my 17 inch rims back on, taddam the problem came back. The problems seems one of bad conception. Has anyone had the same problem with 16 inch rims? :mad: The mechanic at the dealer told me that 17 inch rims and higher were probably too much for the stabalizer. Anyway this a major issue, we should all write to Chrysler to tell them that we will hold them criminally responsible if anyone should get hurt or killed because of this problem. I'm not joking when the front end of the car starts wobbling, it can scare the sh... out of you..
  • Just bought a used 2007 Jeep Wrangler X in Red Rock Pearl with Khaki Interior and black soft top. Previously owned by a military guy who stored it in his garage for a year while overseas. Only has 10,400 miles on it and is near perfect. It has the upgraded sound system with Satellite radio and sub in the back, cloth seats, cruise, tilt and A/C. 6 Speed manual. Already stopped by the Jeep dealer to check out the VIN and service advisor says it needs the brake computer "flash" which was a TSB or service campaign. Interior rear view mirror is also starting to delaminate so it should be a warranty item as well. Replacing my 2001 GMC truck with the Jeep and have a Lexus to drive too but this one is more fun that either of those.

    How easy is the soft top to take off and put back on? Seattle weather here is getting nice so it is going to have to come down soon!

    Also, even though the 7 speaker sound system is pretty good, does anybody know if changing the tweets on the dash and the other speakers is fairly easy? Might be something down the road but I want the stock look and keep the current amp/head unit.

    This forum was a big help and I will keep my eye open for some of the items mentioned to watch out for.

    Oh ya, paid $13,850 for it (It was a trade in from a Toyota dealer I work at so I got a great price on it)
  • I found issue with the OPINIONS provided on the test of the 2007 JEEP Wrangler Unlimited 4x4. The JEEP is not an SUV; and an SUV, is NOT a JEEP. I have owned a 1993 Wrangler, a 1989 Cherokee (225,000 miles on it when I sold it), a 1999 Grand Cherokee Limited, a 2003 Rubicon, and now a 2007 Rubicon Unlimited. I've driven about 47,000 miles in the Rubicon Unlimted in a hair over two years, and love it. No other vehicle can go anywhere at anytime. I drove my 1993 Wrangler through the 100 year flood in Reno, NV years ago, and watched other supposed 4x4 vehilces...SUVs, stuck in the snow, and trying to keep their tires dry. I looked for water and snow to drive through. :shades:

    I have driven through snow fall that has shut cities down in my Rubicon Unlimited, while SUVs timidly tried to drive in my path, like a toddler touches the bath water timidly with his/her toe. Hell, with a JEEP, you can faithfully just jump right in. Oh, and if you want to go topless, hey another thing an SUV can't touch.

    Remember this...a Hummer H3 has a mid-size trailblazer wheel base. Essentially they took a midsize want-a-be SUV, and put a more mannly and more JEEP-like mask to sell it.

    Then, you have the Toyota FJ, which doesn't come close to the retro FJ's that came close to competing with the JEEP. The FJ has a small/mid-size Landcruiser 120 Series Prado, or Lexis GS (US model), which is similiar to the 4-Runner wheelbase. So, they took a want-to be SUV, and put what they thought was more mannly and more JEEP-like mask to sell it.

    Hell, a mask is a mask...a PT Cruiser is a Neon with a bolder face.

    One vehicle that come close to a JEEP, and what a JEEP is built for, would be the Landrover, which in 1948 was first built, oh, using a JEEP wheelbase. Wow, imagine that. But, the Landrover of today, is maybe what an SUV is...but not a JEEP. Older Landrovers could come close to competing.

    Then you have the Mercedes G models. But for the money yo u pay for even a base model, if it comes in one, you could outfit one hell of a JEEP, that would be untouchable.

    Be smart when you buy. Know the product before you sink hard eraned money into it. Remember, a JEEP is not an SUV, and an SUV is not a JEEP.

    I love my 2007 Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited. As said, I have driven it about 47,000 miles in just over two years, as I drive it for work. I get all kinds of compliments, and questions. If you love sitting in a well heated or cooled leather-clad lobby, then buy a high-end SUV, Escalade, Landrover with all the animities. A JEEP has its purposes, and people who purchase a JEEP have there purposes.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,564
    Excellent points. I never can understand why people expect a Wrangler to handle like a Boxster S and ride like a Park Avenue. That said, I have a 1999 TJ fitted with Bilstein HD shocks and I don't think it rides all that bad- and neither do my wife and son. To hear some people talk you'd think Wranglers came with tires filled with concrete, and that simply isn't the case. Yes, it's a bit noisy at speed, but the heater easily copes with sub-zero temps and the A/C works equally well in the summer heat. The only thing I'd even remotely consider replacing it with would be a Defender 90, and they are simply too expensive for my 4X4 needs and tastes.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    The only thing I'd even remotely consider replacing it with would be a Defender 90, and they are simply too expensive for my 4X4 needs and tastes.

    I agree. The Defender 90 is probably the most similar in terms of both size and spec out there.
    Both have evolved in a similar manner, with a transition to coils after many years on leaf springs, and the options of large and small gas engines but with the Land Rover having also had the option of a diesel for many years.
    The Defender is only expensive here because of its rarity. In the UK they're as common and comparably priced to the way Wranglers are here.
  • I just had the death wobble happen to my wife while I was following her down Rt 95. It scared the hell out of her. The steering wheel almost shook out of her hands. She did everything she could to maintain control of the jeep. It is at the dealer now and they said it is a bad steering dampener. I have contacted a lemon law attorney and made a complaint to the hwts dot . they said this is a common complaint. I have read multiple post in regards to people having this repair made and only 6 mon. later it happens again. I am extremely concerned with my wife and 11 yr old son driving in this vehicle. This is a potential matter of life and death. Thank God it was not raining when this happened to her.
  • I can't begin to tell you all how pissed off I am about the "death wobble" of my 2007 Jeep Wrangler 4 door. This is my 3rd Jeep. I have been happy in the past with all my other Jeeps. This time I purchased a used 2007 4 door. I ask the dealer why someone would trade in such a new vehicle (only 20,000) miles? Now I see why this woman (the previous owner) traded it in. After me owning this vehicle for 3 months (just in time for the warranty to end) my Jeep starts shaking when I get up around 45 mph. It started out not so bad, but last night I was driving home late from work and it was shaking so bad that I pulled off to the side of the road and had to sit for awhile until I decided to get back on the road and drive home going under 40 mph on the highway.
    Now I see that many others are having this problem. I am so angry that I was taken advantage of by this dealer that I will be up there in the morning and letting them know that they should be fixing this for free.

    I would really like to know if any others have contacted Jeep itself and if they were more help than the dealerships, for I don't see the dealer helping me to fix this and that I might need to go to the source. PLEASE CONTACT ME at surgigirl@comcast.net if you can help me.
    Thanks
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  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Upgrading the speakers shouldn't be a problem. I personally love Kicker speakers due to their construction and frequency responses. I have Kicker 6x9's in my TJ and they've been putting out the sound since 2003. :) My fronts are being replaced with Kickers as well.

    -Paul
  • All Credit to planman from jk-forum for this information. if you need more information I suggest heading over there but this is the revised edition of the solution.

    NOTE### the steering stabilizer should be the last thing you replace not the first as it will more than likely cover up the real issue and cause more problems to your vehicle or safety when it returns again

    DIAGNOSIS LIST
    Assuming your tire psi is 28-30, your tires/wheels have been balanced and rotated to make sure the wobble doesn't move with the rotation, here would be my order:

    1. Remove the steering stabilizer.
    2. Have someone turn the engine on and turn slowly from full lock to full lock while I visually, manually (with my hands on the components), and auditorily inspect for any play in the tie rod ends, drag link ends, sector shaft, trackbar ends/bolts/brackets, and trackbar welds.
    3. Then, do the same thing but with short, sharp, quick back and forth turns of the steering wheel instead of the slow, lock to lock approach.
    4. Then, I would remove the front trackbar to inspect the bolt holes for ovaling and inspect the trackbar bushings for separation or cracking with a long screw driver through the bolt sleeve and the trackbar in a vise to leverage against the bushing in all directions. If all is good, I would reinstall the trackbar with the tires on the ground at ride height to 125 lbs.
    5. Then, I would inspect the drag link end joints by using a large channel lock wrench that gave me enough leverage to check for up and down play in the drag link ends. There should not be any meaningful up and down play. If there is, the joints should be replaced or a new drag link with heavy duty joints should be installed. After, I would check the torque of the drag link ends. There should be no meaningful up and down, no side to side, and only rotational movement in the drag link ends.
    6. Then, I would inspect the tie rod ends with the channel lock wrench for up and down movement. There should be no meaningful up and down play. There should only be rotational movement in the joint end.
    7. Then, I would put the front axle on jack stands and check the front ball joints by using a long pry bar as a lever under the front tires to lift them up to inspect for up and down play in the lower ball joints. There shouldn't be more than maybe 1-2 mm.
    8. Then, I would use the prybar/lever against the frame and the top of the tire to inspect for lateral movement of the top ball joints. There shouldn't be any.
    9. Then, I would remove the front tires/wheels and remove the front tie rod--one knuckle at a time. Then with a large wrench or vice grips, I would inspect the end for side to side play. Then I would reinstall the end and torque to spec and repeat on the other side.
    10. Then, I would remove the brake calipers and brake disks to inspect the unitbearings for play.
    11. Then, I would reinstall the discs, brake calipers, and tires/wheels and set the axle back on the ground.
    12. Then, I would support but not lift the front axle with a floor jack and loosen the front lower control arm bolts. One at a time, I would drop the lower control arms to inspect the bolt holes and bushings (similar to with the trackbar), reinstall without torquing, and do the next one. Afterwards, remove the floor jack so the suspension is at ride height, vigorously rock the vehicle side to side and front and back, then torque to spec.
    13. Next, I would inspect the sector shaft that comes out of the steering box for cracking or twisting.
    14. Then, I would take a test drive without the steering stablizer to feel for any wobbles.
    15. Finally, I would reinstall the steering stablizer or spring $40 for a heavy duty steering stablizer.

    If this front end inspection does not diagnose and/or solve it, then I would move to an alignment.

    1. I would use adjustable lower front control arms to set my caster spec between 4 and 5 degrees--with a cross caster that has less on the driver side than the passenger side. I would personally not do more or less, with a target around 4.5-4.7 degrees caster.
    2. If my camber is out of spec, but it is not due to failed ball joints, I would install offset ball joints to get my camber in spec.
    3. I would set my toe-in to spec on the machine--which is about a 1/8" toe-in.
    4. If my front to rear alignment is off, I would install rear lower adjustable control arms to fix this.
  • I strongly suggest that a front end shop deal with steering problems for safety reasons.
  • My 2007 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited has a little over 25K and I've had no steering problems and the steering damper does not need replacing. I drive it on the highway, back roads in the Colorado Rockies, in snow, ice-whatever. It is a great highway and off-road vehicle.

    A bubble balance does not work for rims and tires on newer vehicles. They have to be balanced with the tire on a traction surface. Goodyear calls in "road force" balancing. It is excellent smooth as glass and prevents the hyperbole "death wobble".

    The problem is, and any tire shop or dealership out to know, that if tires are not balanced properly from the start they get flat spots and get out of round and balancing of any kind won't help.

    This kind of balancing was done routinely before bubble balance came into vogue. It requires more skill and it is a little more hazardous for the technician. It is a matter of feel.

    Most dealerships for all brands don't take the time to know what to do and to do it right from the get go. It is certainly not limited to Jeep.

    I suspect that very few steering dampers have needed to be replaced.

    Write Caveat emptor on the front of the owner's manual.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    edited October 2010
    My 2007 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited has a little over 25K and I've had no steering problems and the steering damper does not need replacing. I drive it on the highway, back roads in the Colorado Rockies, in snow, ice-whatever. It is a great highway and off-road vehicle.

    That's good to hear.

    A bubble balance does not work for rims and tires on newer vehicles. They have to be balanced with the tire on a traction surface. Goodyear calls in "road force" balancing. It is excellent smooth as glass and prevents the hyperbole "death wobble".

    A bubble balancer works on modern rims and tires as well as it did 70 or 80 years ago when it was the only type of balancer available. It hasn't recently come into vogue, in fact it was the only means of balancing originally
    However, a rim/tire combination can only be balanced statically in that way, which is why the rotating balancer commonly see in tire shops was developed.

    The rotating balancer dynamically balances the wheel resulting in much improved rotational stability.
    The next and latest development to the balancer is the Hunter GSP9700 Roadforce machine.
    This has nothing to do with Goodyear and is a trademark registered to Hunter.
    This machine performs many functions including balancing the wheel under load as though it was being driven on the road.
    It also measures any side to side runout of the tread, and can independently measure the imbalance of the rim and the tire, allowing the the tire to be positioned at the best possible location on the rim so that little or no weight will be needed to complete the balance.
    You can read all about it and find one near you here: Hunter Roadforce
    (I have no connection with Hunter.)

    Yes, it's the ultimate in wheel balancing, but it's incorrect to say it's a requirement for all modern wheels and tires. There are many millions of vehicles running very smoothly and getting full tire life with tires balanced on a conventional rotational balancer.

    I suspect that very few steering dampers have needed to be replaced.

    I think Jeep would disagree, which is why they came out with a modified damper.

    The occasional uncontrollable progressive cyclic oscillation of the front wheels ('death wobble') in JKs is a product of suspension design, not wheel balance, although an imbalance can trigger the process.
    In TJs it's usually worn steering and suspension components (often coupled with larger tires and a suspension lift) that cause the problem.

    A heavier duty damper will mask the issue, which is Jeep's answer for the JK issue.
    However, on a TJ it makes much more sense to replace the worn parts first.

    Finally, in regard to hyperbole; while I haven't heard of a fatal accident being caused by 'death wobble' I think the term is quite appropriate as the driver usually feel like they're going to die.
    The steering wheel is often wrenched from the hands, the vehicle often changes lanes, sometimes ending up on the median or at the side of the road, and the only control the driver has is over the brakes.
    It definitely comes under the heading of 'a bad day at the office'!
  • I own a 07 with 80,000 mi, we bought it new and travel from western Ma.to Cape cod sometimes several times a week. I did notice the problem you mentioned. I brought it to a friend of mine and he rebalanced the tires, which took the problem away. He said the 17 rimes need to be rebalanced more often. I also had a low tire which also compounded the problem and I fixed that problem as well. I love the jeep,,,,
  • bear0413bear0413 Posts: 2
    edited January 2011
    My wife and i almost Died it just happened again for the 20th time this time could not hold on to wheel we bounced than spun one whole revolution hit frwy wall than i regained control and was able to stop the jeep these are Death Machines have paid for 4 different fixes none work also are Jeep has stalled at 75 miles an hour or how about the ignition that continues to try to engage randomly as you start it, mine is still under Warranty Dearlers no there is no fix report to National Saftey Commision and also Federal Trade Commision these Vehicals need to be Replaced my Wife will not ride in it Again 35,000 dollars of Junk
  • There is no Fix call National Saftey Commision make report also call Federal Trade Commision and make report, mine is the same way and almost killed myself and my wife last weekend at 70 we hit pot hole shaked so violently i lost control we did one complete revolution hit frwy wall i was able to regain control of jeep and stop drove home 70 miles at 35 these are Death Machines
  • I'm sorry you had a less than desirable experience with a salesman. That is unacceptable.

    "Where God, Family and YOU come first" is our slogan. In our opinion, those things are important, and that's what we want to build our business on.

    Did anyone mention God, family or "country?" Or try to "stuff religion, country and family into the deal?"
  • dmoseley1dmoseley1 Posts: 2
    i just got off the phone with the Chrysler Customer Resolution Group...
    888-922-7329 and spoke with rep. " Adam".. i told him about my issue with
    the wobble and he is calling my dealership to try to cover the repair expenses... at the very least if i am killed in an accident due to the " death wobble"... i have a case number verifying that the problem was reported to Chrysler Jeep... a start.. will let you know how it goes..
    this should be a recall issue !!
    Good Luck....
  • steve370steve370 Posts: 2
    Hi,

    I am a recent owner of a 2007 Jeep Sahara with 61,000 miles. Just recently, I am feeling a knocking feeling in the steering. When I slow down I can almost hear the knocking sound coming from the wheel. I took it to the dealer and they said what I am experiencing is normal for an off road vehicle. There needs to be play in the wheel. Something just doesn't feel right...Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Steve
  • dmoseley1dmoseley1 Posts: 2
    my wobble started off smaller, it steadily worsened
    tell your dealership to type in jeep/ death
    wobble and many many sites describing
    the problem are on the Internet
    I would suggest you call the crysler number above
    -- your steering wheel is NoT supposed to
    shake so badly you can' t hold on
    tell the dealership you want the
    damper changed check your trac bar and
    heck that the screws are not wallowed
    they did give me dealer price. Approx
    300..said I could send in for about 25%
    reimbursement or wait to see if there is a recall
    and get full refund. thats why
    its good to have a case number docume ti ng
    the problem. someone is going to be hurt
    very badly...
  • steve370steve370 Posts: 2
    Thanks but my problem is not as you described. I an feeling a slight knocking in the steering. It is intermittent, and can also hear a slight knocking sound when I slow down. There is a lot of play in the wheel, and it almost feels as if I can feel the gears changing in the steering wheel, if that makes sense?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    It will probably be something associated with one of the wheels, maybe a bearing, or maybe a 'U' joint, either on the front propeller shaft or one of the front half shafts.
  • pipe06pipe06 Posts: 1
    Tried your number, but that is the 'high' level guys/gals. The lady was really polite, but sent me to the beginning level. Once you have a case number and it doesn't work out you can call that number. But great find regardless!

    They don't take direct calls.

    So I called 800-992-1997 and talked to someone in service. Told them I had the death wobble and got a ticket number and a phone call from the dealer to bring it it for repair....

    (2008 4dr Sahara Jeep Wrangler - another victim of the DEATH WOBBLE!! or TSB 19-003-06 as it was formally called! for '97-'06 models)
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