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2008 Cadillac CTS

pearlpearl Posts: 336
edited March 18 in Cadillac
since the "sneak peak" of the 08 CTS on the "60 Minutes" TV show, there has been quite a bit of discussion suggesting that Cadillac needs to get this car out as soon as possible. I have heard that they may try to get it out early (late Spring 07). The idea of this thread is to give people a place to post what they have heard about the upcoming CTS model change.
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  • I've seen the spy photos...not completely sold on it just yet. I've sat in a 2005/6/7 CTS and believe Cadillac is on the right track as they seem to get a little better and better. My biggie is how the interior will look. So far, the CTS, in my opinion, is way behind their competitors (G35, I250/350, TL, 3 Series). I've seen one spy picture of the 08 CTS and really can't judge it yet. I've been told that the 08 CTS interior may mimic the new Escalade and/or the SRX. But I have yet to sit in one of those.
  • jpennjpenn Posts: 68
    Not to beat a dead horse but, can anyone give some definitive information on the new CTS's. I've read several reports stating the new CTS will have awd also saw an article which stated that Caddy will be building new CTS's to compete head to head with BMW 3's and MB C's with awd, coupe, convert and crossover. The BMW 3 coupe comes in several variations, turbo, awd, luxury and convert. Will Caddy offer this much variety? (hope so).

    My situation is, I'll be in the market for a new car in 07, I've convinced myself that the CTS sedan is my next car, then came the news that the coupe was a viable product for 09 coming in 08. My first love has always been coupes. Does anyone have information on these concepts?
  • From the spy shots I saw, I thought I saw paddle shifters on the steering wheel. However, everything's mum. I guess we will have to wait until the Detroit Auto Show for more. :cry:
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    I agree that Caddy, so far, is behind their competitors. As just one example, the current CTS does not even have a tilt/telescoping steering column. When I sat in it, I could not get the seat adjusted so that I was comfortable and at the same time have my arms in a comfortable position. This may sound like a minor issue, but the others have it and Caddy doesn't. It would have been enough of a reason for me not to buy the car. Hopefully, Cadillac will lock the bean counters in the back room and FIX the 08 CTS in every possible way. If people like the car they will buy it, even if it costs a little more (see BMW, Lexus, etc).
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    I keep hearing that the new CTS will offer AWD is this true? That would be great since RWD is useless when it snows or the road is slippery or icy. Also will it offer a 300+ HP engine and the new 6 speed auto they keep talking about?

    Personally I always thought the CTS was a great car what I would like it to offer is Voice Activated Systems (I.E. Climate Controls, Audio, Nav System, etc). Now a days you can get those features on a $30k car so this car should offer it with the Nav system.

    What I would also really like is a HUD. I think that it's a great feature and it allows you to keep your eyes on the road.

    I know some people might say the bean counters won't allow these features so if that is the case make them OPTIONAL.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The 3.6 liter V6 will have direct injection and will have 15% more power as per a PowerTrain news release.The six speed auto will be offered. There are rumors that AWD will be optional. I would not agree that RWD is helpless in snow, as I have driven RWD cars for many years in snowy weather. There may be a wagon model too - rumors.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    Direct Injection like in the Red Line version of the Saturn Sky? That would suck because then you need to put premium gas into it. I hope AWD is optional since for me that is a desirable feature for me. The last RWD car I drove skid like I was in a ice rink. I had to put hundreds of pounds of weight to make sure the car had traction. Never again will I own a RWD car. I think a wagon is a great idea for some people but for me I just want the sedan.
  • Lets hope that the rear of the new CTS in no way resembles the BORING rear end of the STS. Lets hope the new CTS retains some of the "cuts and folds" that are present in the trunk hood of the current CTS. The STS rear lid is as bland as a truck lid can be and would be a killer to the pizzazz of the CTS. I also hope that the new rear bumper is less suseptible to dings from the licence plate screws of other cars that give it a minor bump. A $40K car should not get "bumper acne". Also as everyone seems to concure, the interior has to improve significantly and live up to the uniqueness of cadillac interiors going way back in time, which were always the best appointed and most luxurious. The current CTS interior, though unique, is not at all luxurious. It is very underwhelmingly appointed, and has almost no storage (not even for sunglasses). The seat stitching and door panels have as much "awe-factor" as some cheap compact car and does not not make the Cadillac name-plate proud. THINK LUXURY (as well as sporty) live up to the Cadillac name.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I hope it competes with the BMW 3. It will need over 300 hp. to do that though. ;)

    Rocky
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    Yea it really needs that. I just hope they can do that without premium fuel.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Does the current 3.6 "HF" V-6 require premium ?

    If it does is it really that big of a deal ? All the competition I have read about uses premium. I personally can't wait to read more about the new CTS, since I'm considering it as my next vehicle of choice if I don't go 2007' GMC Sierra Denali first. :shades:

    Rocky
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    I don't think direct injection has to require premium fuel, the compression ratio and tuning also determine octane needs. But if you want to keep the engine small, and want more power, higher octane fuel may be required.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    One of the big strengths I always thought the CTS had is that it can give you all the luxury without paying for it at the pump. I would never buy a car that needs premium unless its gets 50 MPG City/Highway. The current CTS can run on 87.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    Well the Sky Redline and Mazda CX-7 uses direct injection and they both require premium fuel. From that I drew a conclusion that all cars with direct injection required premium.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    sls002 is correct - direct injection by itself has nothing to do with needing premium fuel - it is simply a very efficient means to get the gas into the combustion chamber. However, so far, manufacturers have mostly used it on their pricier performance models where they also tend to jack up the compression ratio - which DOES often require premium depending upon cam timing, etc. I don't know what Caddy will do here. Clearly there is a marketing advantage to having the engine use regular fuel; however, this means that they will probably also have to "detune" other aspects of the engine (timing, compression, etc) to make it run on regular thereby giving up some horsepower/performance. Since virtually all of the CTS's main competitors demand premium fuel, Caddy may just decide to go for performance and require it too. We will have to see.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well 300+ hp. can be done without using premium. I however agree with others that direct injection could require premium to get the performance and if so it's not all that more expensive. It does save you a mile or 2 in fuel economy on GM cars.

    Rocky
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    The difference between premium and regular fuel is usually about twenty cents. If you had a 20 gallon tank, it would cost 4 more bucks to fill the tank. If four bucks is an issue, then one sould probably assess other areas of their financial profile. I know that I waste at least four bucks a day on someting without a doubt. That's not really a enough to worry about. Do the math, and you too will find a considerable waste as well.

    thebug...
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    yes, I agree that unless one drives an incredible number of miles per year, the difference in premium vs. regular is probably no more than around $200/year or so for most people - and if the car is a better performer (power and fuel mileage) as a result - no big deal? However, I think the thing that kicked off this discussion was whether or not using direct injection would require premium fuel - answer: no, by itself - but Caddy may decide to require premium if they also do some other engine performance tuning like upping the compression ratio or specifying hotter cam timing, etc, to get more power.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    I just feel that premium gas is a waste of money. I can afford it but think that it shouldn't be necessary. Just like I can afford to fuel a Suburban but it doesn't mean I will since I feel I am wasting my money.

    Where I live also we need to drive every day so overall we would lose allot of money on the deal. They made the CTS in the past run fine on regular I just don't see why they can't do it again?
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    pearl, good post. That might be what they do to squeeze more horses from the 3.6 "high feature" ;)

    I also think we will see a hybrid version of the CTS. The CTS-V will be between 500-600 horsepower the rumor mill says.

    Rocky
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