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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    They said the same thing about the Corvette. I hope if they include a hybrid its one that is a high performance model.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
  • white6white6 Posts: 588
    Sky Redline and Mazda CX-7 direct injected engines also use a turbocharger to increase power; that is their primary reason for premium fuel requirement. Direct injection significantly improves mileage, power, and exhaust emissions (all else being equal) by more precise fuel injection timing and location application within the combustion chamber. It will be an industry-wide standard within a decade. New CTS 3.6 DI should come in around 290 hp on regular fuel and use the new 6-speed auto to improve both performance (at least a half-second and as much as a full second off current 0-60) and fuel economy (5-7% improvement).
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    Well 290 HP is probably more than enough for me to keep me happy. If it can go on 87 then great. I like the fact that direct injection can get 240 and 260 HP out of these engines but I feel with a V6 you can get the same power and fuel economy while using 87.

    It's just that 93-94 cost 20-30 more cents per gallon and if you drive allot it will cost you. By "industry wide standard" does that mean all V4 engines will offer this option? If so I think its great for people willing to pay more for 93-94 while giving more power. I just wonder how much more power they can milk out of a V4?
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    It needs atleast 307 hp and 301 lbs of torque to become class leading. GM, needs to "best" the best in this segment to earn some respect. The 335i sedan's performance figures should be Cadillacs goal to overcome IMHO. ;)

    Rocky
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    Do you think it will be done with a 6 or 8?
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    It will have to be done with the 3.6 "high feature" V-6. They can easily make the horsepower and torque if they want chris. Good example is the Twin-Turbo 3.6 V-6 from the Velite which had 400 hp and 400 lbs of tq. The Grand National GNX concept with the same engine had 450 hp and 450 lbs. of tq using the Holden Monaro as the frame. The Buick Velite idea would be better idea since it's a modern looking Buick on the Zeta. However my point is the 3.6 is a good application and can easily exceed the competition if GM, chooses to do so. ;)

    If I was GM, I use the TT 3.6 V-6 for the CTS to take on the 335i and the 7.0 600 hp. engine for the BMW M ;)
    We then could claim the benchmark from BMW :shades:

    Rocky

    Rocky
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I guess no one was able to get any pics from the recent dealer meeting/preview of the 08' CTS? Not even Autospies has anything.

    M
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    merc,

    Yeah I agree it's pretty crazy that even autospies wasn't able to get any pics. That doesn't happen very often. :surprise:

    Rocky
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Stopped in at my local Caddy dealer over the weekend and the sales rep said that they are expecting to see the 08 CTS out early, probably late Spring. I think this would be great. Anyone else hearing anything more definitive on this?
  • An early launch wouldn't be surprising. The CTS's original 2003 year launched in January, and ever since the next model year has appeared in Early June at the dealers.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Posts: 114
    If thats true why are pictures and information so hard to find? I can't even build one.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    does anyone have experience with the Caddy Nav vs. others from Japanese or German makes? Comments? My next car will have a nav for sure, but while there are tons of comments on German vs. Japanese Navs (e.g. I-drive vs. Lexus Gen 5, etc), I rarely ever hear anyone talk about American Navs, in particular, Cadillac's.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    The Caddy navigations are about as user friendly as Acura's. The STS, Escalade, have voice recognition technology which speeds up certain functions. I'd assume the 08' CTS will finally feature this technology, along with alot more competitive advances. If the 08' CTS, gets enough technology, I will more than likely park one in my driveway/garage. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    We are finally starting to see news trickel out about this car. So far I see nothing but a winner and a much bigger sales success than the last CTS and CTS-V. :shades:

    Rocky
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Cadillac clearly has a chance to hit a homerun here. They absolutely MUST not screw this up by letting the bean counters run the show and forcing the engineers to give up things which are already standard on the competition (e.g. tilt/telescopic steering columns; high quality "feel" on internal switches, knobs, etc; fit/finish). If this costs a few hundreds bucks more - DO IT. More people will buy a true luxo car than one that pretends to be one, but skimps on the basics.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Pearl, I 100% agree even a few thousand more they could get away with it.

    There is no reason why this car shouldn't have a powerful DVD-Audio surround sound system, heated+ ventilated(AC) seats, pwr tilt/telescoping wheel, multi adjustment seats w/ pwr lumbar, voice recognition that controls the audio, climate, bluetooth, navigation system, adaptive cruise control, and IMHO they need to use the swivel headlamps. A pre-collison system along with the latest advances in braking technology that pre-charge the brakes for emergency stops. A rear view camera along with sensors would also be nice. TYou are right the bean counters need to stay away from this one. However, if Cadillac even just had the same technology found in the Lincoln MKZ along with voice recognition I'd be plenty happy. I guess the CTS, is the most important model but I'd expect 310 or better hp. Personally I'd like to see GM use the Buick Velite & GNX concept's 3.6 Twin Turbo that achieved 450 hp. However the 7.0 V-8 will do plenty fine in a CTS-V. I'm just saying a V-8 isn't neccessary when you add a couple of turbos to a V-6 which yields better mpg and saves weight. If GM, was very smart like I'd be with this model I'd add the 2-stage hybrid package to this car which would help further balance the car out and keep weight as close as possible to 50/50.

    Okay pearl I'm done rambling pal. I think we can agree most of the time on this topic. I'm getting excited to see the final piece since the all-new 2008-2009 CTS-V is at the top of my short-list of 11-ars. :shades:

    Rocky
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,273
    I agree that GM has to put all the features into the car, but further they have to improve the materials. The first bean-counter who says "this switch has been used in millions of Chevys and Pontiacs, and is plenty good enough for this car" or "this is the material that we have used for the consoles in millions of Chevys and Pontiacs, and is plenty good enough for this car" should be shot, and their head put on a fencepost where it can be seen by all of the other bean-counters. I drove a new STS last weekend. It is a very good-driving car, but I could look around the interior and see every such compromise made in the name of cost cutting. It was an ugly sight.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I like the interior design and lay-out but agree the bean-counters did cheapen the car. All I can do is hope they do a upgrade on the refresh. For as much as the STS cost's it should have a 07' Volvo S80 type of a interior. One that impresses and sets a standard for all others to meet. ;)

    I really can't wait to get some good interior shots of the new CTS. It will probably be January, at the Detroit autoshow before we get our chance. :(

    Rocky
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