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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,593
    No Bluetooth for a while on this car?
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    yes !!! :sick:

    Rocky
  • mediapushermediapusher Posts: 305
    There was nothing ugly about the previous models of CTS's, however some may not have cared for the razor sharp edge look of which all of the Sigma platfom cars are based.

    The only thing ugly about previous generation CTS's were the scream cheap interiors and the stupid seat mounted belts.

    Why does Cadillac do things like that? Cadillac is supposed to be the flagship luxury brand.
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  • bingomanbingoman Posts: 373
    Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I rather like the interior of my '02. I also like the seat mounted seatbelts as I can adjust the seat at any time without worrying where the belt will end up. The dash could have been done better as the pattern reflects off the windshield on a bright day and can be distracting and hard to see through. And the missing temperature gauge and the clock on the left side of the dash, out of sight of passengers, were a big mistake.
    I think the biggest mistake Cadillac makes with the CTS is to limit the available options. When you spend over $40k you want a car equipped the way you want it. It will be a mistake to leave off such things as a rear view camera when the navigation system is ordered, and the cruise control should have the adaptive option available. These things are available on lesser cars and ought to be at least optional on the CTS. The camera could even be a dealer installed option if it is a problem for the factory.
  • Anyone have any idea when GM is going to release specs and prices? MB is sending me all kinds of stuff on the redesigned C Class...from GM, wallpaper, which is driving me nuts because it looks so good. I'm always the last to know (two divorces), so apologies if this info has been posted before.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    What kind of specs ?

    http://auto.howstuffworks.com/2008-cadillac-cts.htm

    Or http://www.cadillac.com has video, gallery's, etc, at the bottom left of the website.

    I hope I was of help pal....... :)

    Rocky
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    I checked out the web sites. 300hp on regular gas is impressive.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    Yep..... ;)

    What's going to be even more impressive is when you see the 2009' CTS-V out run C5 Corvette's Z0-6's and just maybe a C6 Vette ;) It will be worth watching what the 0-60 and quarter mile times will be on the 09 "V". Some say 515 hp. Some say 550 hp. and a lot say 600 hp. I am hoping it will be 600 hp. as that would be such a awesome number in a sedan, let alone a Cadillac. :shades:

    Rocky
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    It'll be compared mostly with the G35, a similar sized and powered sedan, that offers a coupe, also has AWD, and loaded is hard pressed to reach $40k. Value is a major card for the Infiniti.

    I think this puts pressure on Lexus to add either AWD or a manual to the IS350, or more power to the 250.

    Looks like a contenda, doh. :)

    DrFill
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    I still would of liked to see them add a few more ponies under the hood. Like 330 hp would of been good. ;)

    Oh well......

    Rocky
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    I would be amazed if in reality the AWD 3 or 5 series accelerate faster than the RWD versions (unless we are talking about on snow/ice or somesuch). Those cars weigh about 200 lbs more than their RWD versions so NO WAY should they get to 60 faster, especially since the RWD versions have traction control and will not allow wheel spin. Others please post it they have other info, but I doubt it.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    at some point, people have to be a bit more realistic about HP. It sounds great to say that (whatever you have) goes 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, or whatever, but for most of us: so what? Only 20 years ago or so, it was a huge deal to go 0-60 in less than 7 seconds. Today, practically every car claiming to be "sporty" does it. Problem is that driving ability has not changed that much and we already have too many hot dogs with zero driving ability, out of control on our roads. I bet that most people on this forum who claim that they need max acceleration, have never been to a driving school and usually spend most of their drives in stop and go traffic. Doesn't mean that they should not aspire to high performance cars, but whether you need a Z06 vs. a regular Corvette, or a 328 vs. a 335 BMW is probably worth some consideration.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    You make a valid point and yes 300 hp. is plenty but power does help sell the vehicle and the 08' CTS should of took the initiative to out power BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, while they had a chance. I'm not dissapointed with "only" 300 hp. but I would of liked to see around 30 or 40 more hp. especially since the CTS-V might double the base CTS in power output and there was just plenty of room in the base CTS, to make class leading power without coming close to the "V" ;)

    Rocky
  • You definitely were, and thanks Rocky. Did I miss what the rear leg room is going to be? I just don't want to hear another backseater complaining about not being able to find room for their feet.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    It is the same as the 07' CTS. The only thing that happened is it grew 2 inches wider (off the top of my head)

    Rocky

    P.S. Glad to be of help ! ;)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I bet that most people on this forum who claim that they need max acceleration, have never been to a driving school and usually spend most of their drives in stop and go traffic. Doesn't mean that they should not aspire to high performance cars, but whether you need a Z06 vs. a regular Corvette, or a 328 vs. a 335 BMW is probably worth some consideration.

    I could not agree more. I am a certified track instructor with SCCA and NASA and it's hilariously funny when people come to the track for the first time, usually 2 groups, punky kids with their rice-rocket fast and furious cars or middle aged guys with their BMW 5 series, Caddy CTS, or Dodge Charger SRT8s. I have on more than one occasion gotten out there in the "novice" group with my 150,000 miles Subaru Legacy putting out 165 hp when new in 1994 and ran laps around these guys.

    It's amazing how humbling it can be during the course of the day to see these very confident cocky people (both the younguns and the middle age folks) turn around and really realize that they need to concentrate on their skills more than what modifications they can do to their car or which new expensive sporty ride they want to buy, depening which demographic they are in.

    As we say at the track school "fix the nut behind the wheel" The best part of actually learning to performance drive especially a car like the CTS or CTS V is that you can actually take advantage of all these new and technologically advanced cars have to offer, along with the fact that you can actually transfer your skill set from car to car. :)

    -mike
    Motorsports and Tuning Host
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,530
    “I would be amazed if in reality the AWD 3 or 5 series accelerate faster than the RWD versions . . . especially since the RWD versions have traction control and will not allow wheel spin. Others please post it they have other info, but I doubt it.”

    Your post reminded me of the one thing that could possibly result in the AWD version being quicker in the ‘real world’ despite the additional weight & rotating mass:

    The 335i has no LSD. And with that much torque, that low down in the RPM range, it appears possible that the addition of AWD might increase the launch traction sufficiently to reduce the 0-60 time with all 4 tires applying TQ. Traction control typically will not allow ( too much ) wheel spin – but will often reduce power & cost time in the process. And most published numbers are obtained with Traction Control turned ‘off’.

    I doubt we’ll see a published test with a RWD & AWD version of the 3, or a CTS running back-to-back on the same day\track.

    - Ray
    Happy to keep traction control ‘on’ in the real world . . .
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    For me 0 to 60 is a meaningless number left over from the drag strip culture of the 50' & 60's. My car does a 6.8. So what if yours does a 7 or a 6.5.

    I want to know what is the 45 to 75 time. That is what lets me pass one semi without becoming a splat on the grill of the on coming semi. I think 300hp, 270 torque, and six speeds should get me by that semi rather quickly, but I would still like to see and compare those numbers.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yup, also I'd like to know what it runs on a road course such as Laguna Seca, Limerock, or Watkins Glen, this will give you a more "real world" performance rating since it includes hills and turns. :)

    -mike
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,605
    The best story I read on that was at a Toyota new model preview at a road track, held for magazine writers. One writer thought he was doing well in the then-new Supra, when he looked in his mirror and saw the Tercel slowly closing on him. It was Phil Hill at the wheel, and he passed the Supra and went on his way. Skill trumps equipment...
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    "Skill trumps equipment..." good comment, but I will take the Supra when I want to pass a semi on a 2 lane road.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    "Skill trumps equipment..." good comment, but I will take the Supra when I want to pass a semi on a 2 lane road.

    Here is where skill comes into play. Skill and judgement, even with the Supra or in this case 2008 CTS, poor judgement could leave you kissing the front end of the oncoming Semi, despite the extra power.

    -mike
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I fully agree as well.

    - 0-60 times are meaningless because with most modern cars, it's like pushing the auto-launch button on a F1 racecar. Whomp on the accelerator and make the engine scream. Presto - really fast in a straight line.

    Take that same Camry into city traffic and try to get it to do 20-40 and so on and it might as well be a Buick. It's big, heavy, and cumbersome. Slow to shift as well unless you hammer it and it goes into "0-60 mode". (problem is a transmission that tries to out-think you and silly tall gearing with an overly agressive torque converter/overdrive)

    - And of course, you can't get past the skill point, either. The last time I drove 0-60 in under *ten* seconds was when... ah yes... Pasadena Freeway. 20 ft onramp(yes, no joke - 20 ft). But that's a singularly bad example, to be sure(only the freeways in San Fransisco are uglier, IMO, than this one freeway)

    Not, that's not to say that I won't go down twisty roads at silly speeds from time to time, but I'm not surprized in the least that those tools with their overpowered rockets can't keep up with a smaller and lighter sedan. My ancient Volvo 164E I had in college even drove circles around most people due to skill and a decent design.(Volvo's copy of the BMW Bavaria/3.0) I mention it because it was a big heavy 3000lb tank compared to something like a 2400lb BMW 2002Tii. A good driver could probably beat a rich guy with his CTS at the track in a Sentra. :P

    Me? I don't NEED 300HP. In fact, that's far too much power to actually have a decent driving experience. See, it's a big engine, has too tall gearing, weighs almost two tons, and has a very muscle-car era behavior. Stomp on it too hard and the car lurches and the tires chirp if you have traction control off.

    By the way, traction control isn't required on a properly made car. But stuff a huge HP engine in a FWD car and.. yeah - it becomes necesarry.

    Me? I'd take a 1995 or so M3 over any of the newer modern toys. Well, except for maybe a S2000 ;) Lovely car.
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,359
    The best story I read on that was at a Toyota new model preview at a road track, held for magazine writers. One writer thought he was doing well in the then-new Supra, when he looked in his mirror and saw the Tercel slowly closing on him. It was Phil Hill at the wheel, and he passed the Supra and went on his way. Skill trumps equipment...

    But in fact, a situation like this occurs very seldom in normal driving. Put Phil Hill in his Tercel and the writer in the Supra and have them both try to merge from an onramp into a hole in traffic travelling at 65-70 mph, and the outcome is likely to be different.

    Actually, here is where the 0-60 time is useful information. It is not that you often go from 0 to 60 as fast as you can, but the 0-60 time gives you a reasonable idea of how fast it will go from 20-60 or 20-70 (merging) or 30-80 (passing). Actually, 5-60 or 10-60 (i.e. rolling start) would be even better because it eliminates the "floor it and drop the clutch" or the "brake-torque it and slip your foot off the brake" element.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • texasestexases Posts: 5,605
    Of course you're correct re: Tercel. Just trying to make a point. I will say I never had problems merging my 90HP '83 GTI. I very much question any 'need' for more than 200 HP, especially given the current situation re: gas prices, etc. I wish automakers had stuck with the previous 3 liter standard on V6's instead of moving to 3.5 liter.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,088
    I have been told -- by folks right here on this very site, that my belief in the new higher prices for the '08 CTS are unlikely.

    I believe the new CTS will be, [non-permissible content removed] for tat, several thousand dollars more (at MSRP) than the outgoing CTS.

    I want to be wrong.

    The content of the new CTS as outlined and detailed, in some cases, on the Cadillac web site (the micro site) is a step up. This will cost, yes?

    The real proof will be to configure a 2007 CTS with "all the toys" and a similarly equipped 2008 CTS -- in my case I would add the 300HP engine and AWD which I am confident will add cost, but that is not the cost I am speaking of -- I think the new CTS is more car in every way, it just HAS to cost more.

    Again, I hope to be wrong.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,088
    With four Audi schools and one BMW school under our belts, my wife and I come away from these schools, er, "afraid, very afraid."

    Perhaps ignorance is bliss, after all.

    On day one of the most recent BMW school in South Carolina, the first exercise is "simple." The object is to fully engage the ABS to a full and complete stop.

    If I'm lying, I'm dyin' -- even with four runs and up to four repeat tries -- about 1/2 the class either could not or would not engage ABS fully and maintain full engagement to a full and complete stop.

    That was the first exercise the first morning. Inducing and controlling understeer? Fughetaboudit!

    High speed lane changes -- OMG, the flying cones!

    Yes, we ALL improved -- I was hardly the class champeen, don't think that. What was most disturbing was the apparent inability or lack of willingness to even attempt to learn how ABS (or whatever the exercise was) feels, or how to undo understeering, etc.

    My wife and I left wondering how the rest of the population really reacts when full on breaking or understeer recovery would come in "handy."

    It would seem to me, our conclusions or observations (many of us here, that is) in terms of driving skills are dead on.

    We need to make getting a driving permit much more of a skills based endeavor. Not likely to happen -- yet we continue to produce more "capable" cars for drivers who don't keep up.

    The CTS will just add to the number of capable cars driven by, apparently, people with decades old driving skills.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I will add that it's those small cars with manual gearboxes and not a lot of power that makes you learn those skills early on. Now, with everyone driving a monster boat-o-barge SUV, skills go out the window.

    The truth is... how they react is.. they don't and end up crashing.

    With the proper technique, you could manage to ride a *motorcycle* in the snow or on ice. With the wrong technique, you can fly off the road on a nice sunny day.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    With four Audi schools and one BMW school under our belts, my wife and I come away from these schools, er, "afraid, very afraid."

    As a little plug, those who are interested in discussion track days, HPDEs, racing, and just about any other motorsports or performance oriented driving, we have a Motorsports section now open! I'd really like to focus on HPDEs, Drag Racing, Auto-x etc. So c'mon over!

    -Mike
    Motorsports and Tuning Host
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    Mike, have you ever taken a CTS-V, for a spin pal ?

    Rocky
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