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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    my understanding is that a loaded 2007 is somewhere around $45k. I dont know where people are getting these figures that support the notion that the new model is $8k more than the old one. Even if that is the case I think it goes without saying the equipment levels on the 2008 are far beyond the 2007.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Fully loaded 2007 CTS: $41,275.00

    3.6L Standard MSRP $33,530.00*

    * Features shown below are in addition to, or in place of, Standard 1SA features:
    * Engine: 3.6L VVT V6 with 255 hp
    * Interior: wood trim, includes real wood steering wheel with chrome accented shift knob
    * Seating: leather seating surfaces
    * Steering wheel: leather- and wood-trimmed with Tilt-Wheel adjustable steering column

    Additional Options
    $7,745.00

    * 3.6L V6 18" Wheel Performance Package, includes (TT6) Xenon, High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps, (QGQ) P225/50R18 W-rated, performance tires, (N87) 18" (45.7 cm) 9-spoke, polished aluminum wheels, (JE5) performance brakes, (G80) limited slip differential, (JL4) StabiliTrak, (FE5) Performance handling suspension and (UJ6) Tire Pressure Monitor System
    * 3.6L V6 18" Wheel Sport Appearance Package, includes (Y43) 3.6L V6 18" Wheel Performance Package, (B56) Sport rocker moldings (NDB) chrome exhaust tips, (P40) 18" (45.7 cm) Sport, 12-spoke, polished aluminum wheels, (TL4) Sport grille with chrome mesh accents, (T43) rear spoiler and (VGE) custom rear body-color fascia
    * 3.6L V6 Luxury Package, includes (A45) Memory Package, (DD7) inside rearview auto-dimming mirror with compass display, (AH8) 8-way power front passenger seat adjuster, (AL2) 2-way power driver and front passenger lumbar control, (KA1) driver and front passenger heated seats, (UG1) Universal Home Remote (UA6) theft-deterrent alarm system, (QWJ) P225/55R16 H-rated, all-season, blackwall tires and (PX0) 16" (40.6 cm) bright machined-finish aluminum wheels
    * Audio system, , AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer and Bose 8-speaker sound system, Radio Data System (RDS) and digital signal processing
    * Bose Edition, includes (CF5) power sunroof and (U2S) AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer
    * Bose edition package discount
    * Engine, , 3.6L Variable Valve Timing V6 SFI, (255 hp [190.2 kW] @ 6200 rpm, 252 lb-ft of torque [340.1 N-m] @ 3100 rpm)
    * Premium paint
    * Seat, , rear split-folding
    * Sunroof, , power, tilt-sliding with express-open and manual sunshade
    * Transmission, , 5-speed automatic, with Driver Shift Control
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,563
    "Fully loaded 2007 CTS: $41,275.00
    3.6L Standard MSRP $33,530.00* "

    Well – although the facts you present are true & correct ( & current ) I do not think that it is quite fair to compare any ‘end of last model year’ ‘special edition \ package’ sorts of promotional pricing [ Bose Edition ] to the beginning of a first model year follow-on model.

    [[ The last year ( MY 2004 ) of the C5 Corvette resulted in monstrous discounts ( for Corvettes ) of $10K - $12K, from several reports I have seen. Just after the C6 version was introduced. ]]

    And whether or not any of the new features standard or available for 2008 ( higher HP \ TQ version of the 3.6L V6 w/Direct Injection, 6-speed automatic, really big sunroof, front seats that can be ventilated \ cooled as well as heated, navigation system, AWD ) are of interest to you, I think that when added \ selected they clearly add some cost – and offer additional value, at least to some.

    Thus, in the content sense, ‘fully loaded’ for a 2007 CTS is really not comparable to ‘fully loaded’ for a 2008.

    And I keep coming back to the rather significant gap between the base 2008 CTS and the base 2008 V6 STS.

    - Ray
    Thinking the 2008 pricing is at least reasonable – if not ‘bargain basement’. . .
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Agree.

    I think even if the top-of-the-line, fully loaded, AWD 300HP 2008 CTS tops off at $50K it still represents a pretty good value (of course, not the out of business sales kind of bargain). The "3er kind of price for a 5er kind of car" alone is enough to make the CTS a good value for the luxury sedan buying crowds.
  • knotemknotem Posts: 62
    Until Cadillac will lunch the BLS in a few years from now, what Cadillac is trying to do now is selling the basic 363 HP with 6 speeds manual, and the 304 HP with automatic transmission to compete on price with the BMW 3 series. When adding all the luxury and the performance features, not to mention the 4 WD, and the new car size, then you can see the wide spread of price to compete with the 5 series.
  • jpennjpenn Posts: 68
    Hey Gang,

    I'm not sure if anyone is aware of the fact that the first magazine road test for the new CTS is in the Sept. issue of Winding Road Online Magazine. They tested several versions of the CTS in Germany and the Nurburgring (sic). For the most part they seem very pleased with all of the changes and improvements with the exception of the 6 speed manual shifter which is positioned poorly on the console.

    Anyhow, if you haven't seen this article check it out online. There is no charge for a subscription which gets some pretty decent information ahead of the paper mags.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    I too CAVED IN and took my whippin' as I suggested at least similar prices -- although NOT THAT high.

    It is, however, at the 3 series price point (sort of), which is, after all, the target.

    The fact that some will consider it a bargain 5 series, may still work in its favor.

    On the other hand, it can be had nicely equipped for $45K, as far as I can tell.

    :surprise:
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    Type "Zymurgy 2008 cts order guide" into your search engine. All of your questions regarding standard equipment and what option can be had with what are answered there. Add in your prices from message #1047 above, and you will know it all.
  • ortegaortega Posts: 57
    That's just a copy of the GM online order guide we already have access to. Nothing new.
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    Apparently it is new to most of the people talking about options and pricing for the past couple of days, or they would not be making so many false assumptions and mistakes in their calculations.
  • ortegaortega Posts: 57
    I'm sorry...I did not mean to sound rude. You're absolutely right. I know the the link to the order guide has been posted a few times on here, but some may have overlooked it.

    BTW...have you actually driven a car at 150mph? Just curious what that experience is like (don't think I've ever topped 115).
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    Yes, twice. First time in a Chrysler 300--quite scary. Second time in a Plymouth Superbird (nose cone, giant spoiler wing). The Superbird was more stable and thus less frightening. I guess you can figure out how long ago that was. In recent years I keep it under 90. However, I did push it close to 100 in west Texas last year.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Posts: 486
    Looks like some of the "First Drive" CTS reviews are breaking cover (Edmunds, Autoweek, Car and Driver). So far so good...some nitpicks but overall high praise. Looks like Caddy may have a winner on its hands.
  • jpstax1jpstax1 Posts: 197
    Here's MT's first-drive review:

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_cadillac_cts

    I still can't believe that normally aspirated DI V-6 engine can generate 304 HP. Its 0-60 time is also impressive.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    ...but I'm not sure it will have that "must have" attraction to change the overall sales typical for the CTS, 5-6K/mo. Sure, the first few months the sales will be up, but after that it will probably settle back to its historical sales figures. Caddy fixed the main thing lacking in the current CTS - the interior. Other than that it is merely keeping up with the competition.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I still can't believe that normally aspirated DI V-6 engine can generate 304 HP. Its 0-60 time is also impressive.

    Not hard to believe...

    The nissan 3.7L VQ WITHOUT DI can generate 330HP. :surprise:
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,030
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  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The CTS doesn't require premium fuel to do it. This means a much longer lifespan and a decent savings in fuel as well(lower compression tends to have less problems as the engine ages)
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    No, the CTS doesn't require premium fuel. But without the premium fuel, one wouldn't be able to achieve the performance numbers posted from Cadillac.

    Meaning: If you want a 300HP CTS, you have to pay for it at the pump.

    However, I do like this better than other premium brands' "one shall use premium fuel or else" policy.

    Another big plus for Caddy.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    It is keeping up with the competition that was brought to market in 2004 as a 2005 MY.

    My new CTS, assuming I do indeed go that way, will contain somewhat less content than my 2005 A6.

    This, despite what you may think I mean, is MAJOR progress for a US car mfg.

    It is so inexpensive to add content, at least most content, it makes me wonder why not lead rather than follow.

    But, if the price is what it seems it might be, well, it still will be a winner.

    The MT write up was very revealing, encouraging and mixed.

    I would say, the verdict is positive and simultaneously cautiously optimistic.

    "I got a friend in Fremont, He sells used cars, ya know.
    Well, he calls me up twice a year
    Just ask me how'd it go. . .
    Pretty good, not bad, I can't complain
    Actually everything is just about the same. . ."


    John Prine.

    :shades:
  • bingomanbingoman Posts: 373
    On the Cadillac Drivers Blog someone complained about the DRL's as a danger to his fellow motorcyclists. Can anyone tell me how they create a danger. Considering that most cyclist run with their headlights on during the day so as to be seen I do not see what his objection is.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    the multiple reviews of the new CTS sound good; however, none are so glowing as to make any recent BMW buyers have remorse. The one thing that locked me up was the 4000+lb weight of the new CTS. Glad that it has a 300hp motor - it will need it.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I guess there's one reason to not have a manual... So much for push-starting it.

    Egads - that's approaching a 1999 S420's weight, and that thing was an absolute tank.
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    According to GM news releases, the RWD will weigh in at 3872. The AWD weighs in at 4101.
  • edkleinedklein Posts: 34
    I'll be in the market in another year or so and the new CTS is one of the cars I've been waiting to see. I must confess some dissapointment to see them adopting the BMW model - with the base price car being pretty thoroughly stripped and the price of options pushing the price up hard and fast.

    Which leads me to wonder - aside from the badge, what is supposed to make me consider a base CTS or a base 328 a premium car?
  • bingomanbingoman Posts: 373
    Louiswei

    Where did you see any information that indicated that the Direct Injection motor required premium fuel to achieve the reported performance numbers? Premium fuel has no more energy than regular fuel.

    It has a higher octane rating to prevent predetonation (otherwise known as pinging) in a high compression engine and does not add anything to the power rating.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    From Inside Line's First Drive: 2008 Cadillac CTS

    The 2.8-liter engine has been dropped from the lineup, so last year's port fuel-injected (PFI) 3.6-liter V6 carries over as the base engine, only now it makes 263 SAE-certified hp and 252 pound-feet of torque.

    New for 2008 is a direct-injected (DI) version of the 3.6-liter V6 engine. Variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust cams and an 11.3:1 compression ratio help the new engine put out 304 SAE-certified hp, and 80 percent of the peak torque output of 273 lb-ft is available at 1,000 rpm. This engine feels stout, but there's no place on this winding circuit to verify Cadillac's claim of 5.9-second performance to 60 mph and a top speed of 155 mph.

    The use of premium unleaded fuel plays a role in Cadillac's performance figures, but either V6 engine runs happily on regular. Official 2008 EPA mileage figures are unavailable, but Cadillac expects 17 mpg city and 26 mpg highway from the new DI V6.


    Apparently the 3.6L DI is optimized for premium unleaded but the regular would work as well.
  • ortegaortega Posts: 57
    The Motor Trend first look article talks about it:

    ..." GM global rear-drive chief engineer Dave Leone claims a 15-percent power increase (though you'll only get the full 304 horses if you run it on premium unleaded)"...

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_cadillac_cts/engines.ht- - ml
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,671
    Same energy, yes, but if it (through the knock sensor/engine computer) allows the engine to run at further advance, it'll develop slightly more power with premium.
  • actualsizeactualsize Santa Ana, CaliforniaPosts: 253
    Where did you see any information that indicated that the Direct Injection motor required premium fuel to achieve the reported performance numbers? Premium fuel has no more energy than regular fuel.

    It has a higher octane rating to prevent pre-detonation (otherwise known as pinging) in a high compression engine and does not add anything to the power rating.


    The reason premium fuel produces more power is this: The usual pre-detonation counter-measure is to retard the ignition timing. Since premium fuel pings/knocks at a higher threshold, more aggressive ignition timing can be used.

    More spark advance generally means more power, better fuel economy, and reduced emissions - as long as the ping/knock threshold isn't crossed.

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