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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Motor Trend.

    If the 502 hp HSV edition from Australia, is brought over here then Magneride is one of the features on that car. They said it would be on a limited edition model. The article is from about 4-5 months ago. ;)

    Now lets get this one back on the 08' CTS. Any more news on the CTS-V and when it might debut ?

    Rocky
  • ral1960ral1960 Posts: 74
    CTS Coupe and Wagon: MY 2009 at the earliest. Possible unveiling at Detroit Auto Show in Jan 08. But they may do one in 09, other in 2010. It's all rumor and speculation at this point.
  • First, this is really on topic, but I may be the only one who really cares about this. I am not a Caddy guy, and gave up on GM in the eighties when I discovered that my 86 Olds, in my mind, was glued together instead of screwed together as I expected. I also, at the time had a '83 Firebird which was a piece of junk, but, mind you, to my mind a good looking piece of junk as it careened down the road and did its level best to do it in a level line. I had a '48 Caddy as my first company car...it sure helps if your new fathet-in-law owns the company, which I loved... the Caddy, not my fathet-in-law. As a weekend vehicle, I bought a new '86 Chevy pickup for $11,000, put 95,000 miles on it and sold it in 1995 for $3000.00. I put this in for all the math freaks who can tell me if that was a good deal or not. Then I bought a 1995 GMC Tahoe. I say GMC because for some strange reason, I don't consider GMC to be part of General Motors. They just seem better. I know they're the same damn thing as a Chevy, I'm just telling you I think they're better. Sanity or logic was never s strong suit in my family.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    GMC, is better because they get a little better grade of parts. I know this because dad made parts for em all at GM/Delphi and Chevy would get GMC's parts that were a hair lower in tolerance. So while they are the same in a lot of ways GMC's are a hair better made.

    Cadillac, Buick, Saab, GMC, all get the best parts.

    The Chevy, Pontiac, Saturn, get as good parts but if the part is a hair off in spec but will pass Chevy spec it goes to Chevy. A hair off might mean a millionth of a millimeter so the performance of the part isn't jeapordized but the tolerances of Cadillac and like brands are indeed the highest. A fuel injector going into 3.6 Chevy might not pass 3.6 Cadillac specs is all. ;)

    Rocky

    P.S.

    Hummer, I don't recall where they sit on the tolerance board spectrum
  • The point of all this boring info is the I am NOT a GM or Caddy fan, until I saw the '08 CTS. KNOCKED MY SOCKS OFF!!!Hated the earlier CTS's or should say I just ignored them. I now drive a '02 MB C320 wagon which I really like..O.K., for all you cynics out there, the little tri-star at the end of the hood has something to do about it...but it's just a tad too snug, and forget about adults in the back seat. I end up with my chin on the steering wheel, and the back-seaters end up with their chins on their knee caps. Now, the interior. Loved the idea of the ambient lights and pinlights on different stuff, love the part wooden steering wheel..MB wants over $500 for one on a factory order..seats and just every thing looks plush and perfect in that light colored leather, EXCEPT for that crappy plastic gray colored piece between the top of the dash board and the bottom of the windshield. Where in the hell did that come from? You know what I piece I mean, don't you? I say piece but that sucker is big, and swoops right the whole front under the windshield. Have to see one in person, may be a deal breaker. Hope not.
  • ral1960ral1960 Posts: 74
    Do you mean the defroster grill? I don't have very good photos of it, but I hadn't even noticed it til you posted.

    I think a mid-sized wagon would be just ideal for me. GM doesn't make one now in the US (Opel has a Vectra wagon that Saturn may one day import). Perhaps the CTS wagon could start a resurgence in US wagons. Right now the Germans and Swedes own the market, which is small but lucrative. Those MB wagons were very popular in toney suburbs in the 80's.
  • No, not the defroster grill, the whole top dashboard over the instrument manual that the defroster grill sits in. Only really noticeably unsightful when you have a light colored interior color. Does that last sentence make sense? I reread it and I don't understand what the hell I mean. Anyway, I must have weird tastes because I was looking at a picture of the new Maserati coupe and it had the same gray dealy...hey, maybe it's to reduce sunlight reflection from the windshield?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    What is an "instrument manual?"
  • ral1960ral1960 Posts: 74
    You're right, it's dark to reduce glare, and also so it's own reflection in the windshield won't be as noticable. Most people seem to like the CTS's (and SRX's) new dash because it looks like hand-stitched leather (which I suspect will only be used on the V series), instead of hard or moulded plastic, which is considered cheap-looking. It's certainly better than the all-black techno-dash on the current CTS.

    I do prefer the door latches on the current car, however. The placement of the window controls also worries me, but it's 5 hours to Atlanta to see it in person this weekend, when I should be doing my taxes.

    I'm glad to see more poly-chromatic interiors. I'm tired of the multiple shades of gray I've had the last 23 years (which is better than all one shade of gray).

    I wonder how dark the Mulberry leather interior will be. I'm guessing it replaces black as a choice, which means it will be pretty dark.
  • piasonpiason Posts: 55
    Has there been any test drives on the new 2008 CTS?
  • Excellent question, Mark. The answer is "beats the hell out of me." My mind meant to send the message to my fingers to type "instrument panel." Somehow it didn't happen that way. I blame the computer but I apologize for the confusion. Getting old sucks
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    no, the car isnt out yet and wont be until late summer. You wont see test drives until July or August.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    I am 55, which, if I read my magazines correctly is the new 35.

    Thank god!

    All the buzz right now is about the new 535 with the 300HP turbo and nearly weapons grade torque. The new A5 and S5 from Audi are certainly getting lots of buzz too.

    This upcoming CTS -- assuming it is priced like many here think it will be, could be at least a little bit of a spoiler for the Germans.

    I would assume folks might NOT cross shop the CTS w/300HP w the 535, but they sure might cross shop the CTS against the A4's and A5's from the four interlocking rings, and the 3's from the blue propeller company.

    I keep reading and reading all the specs and from a size standpoint the new CTS seems to be an A6 and 5 series rival. Perhaps it is just me, perhaps I am becoming -- of all things -- pragmatic, but other than my own cross shopping, I just can't imagine folks will look at the middle child of the Germans against the CTS, even with 300HP and AWD.

    Fully loaded, I'll wager (nothing of great $ value), the new 300HP AWD CTS will be tickling the underbelly of $50K -- I mean how can this car have all this content and SIZE and performance (on paper at least) and not zoom right past $45K like it was a nearly flattened speed bump?

    I hope ye Cadillac faithful are correct that one will be sold at a mid $40's price with all that content.

    Other than the A5/S5, this new CTS is the one that seems worth a long look.

    Of course the 535 will be awesome -- but heck, it'll be $60K without even trying.

    I just configured a 530xi, and I didn't even -- to my tastes -- option it out heavily and ZOOOOOOOM it was right up there HELLO at nearly 60 large.

    Of course load up a 3 series -- and kissing $50K is pretty easy, too.

    The CTS could win a few comparos price factored in, if it does all that its early press claims at prices the faithful believe will prevail.

    11 months to go on the A6!

    Tick tock.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,708
    I just don't get the attraction, no, more like affliction people have with all-wheel-drive.

    Subaru has a nice video about AWD systems on Google. It's biased, naturally, but the wet and hill climb tests aren't fudged at all. The AWD systems in 90% of all vehicles are a complete joke in actual use. They just, plainly put, don't work at all. Mercedes, BMW, GM - it makes no difference except in a few specific examples which never happen in real life. Looks good in a commercial, but with the traction control, limited slip diff, and the AWD computers all fighting each other, by the time it figures it all out... it's far too late.(driving on ice and snow in the winter is about all it does halfway well, though snow tires will do twice as much for you)

    The CTS should start at about 35K and be a massive thorn in the base 5 series' side.
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250
    pletko,

    It might be useful to start an AWD versus RWD thread if one does not already exist.

    I am one who prefers AWD, but realize its not for everyone. Reason for me is I want a car that I can rely on as much as possible for driving all year long in any road condition. I understand the performance advantages of RWD, and have owned many RWD cars in the past and successfully driven them in the snow. But I like the higher assurance of AWD in non optimal road conditions.

    With everything else being equal, such as the same tires, then AWD has 4 wheels versus 2 to search for traction, and I feel AWD is more stable when the tires do lose traction. I have an 06 330Xi and in several icy conditions this past winter, my car lost traction a few times even though I was feathering the gas and driving with due diligence. The nice thing was, the car did not slide, the rear end did not kick out, and the car did nothing erratic except basically spin the tires for the very short amount of time it took me to let up on the gas. I am sure modern stability controls are very helpful, but I don't consider them a panacea.

    I've had several other personal experiences where I was able to throttle my AWD BMWs (had an 01 before the current car) around corners and through slippery spots in the snow when I had all season tires and even summer performance tires. I would not have attempted to do that with a RWD car with those same tires.

    I do think its an interesting discussion comparing RWD with winter tires to AWD with all season tires. But I am trying to address differences in AWD versus RWD per se.

    In the area that I live, Wash DC metro area, we have as much problem with sleet, freezing rain and ice as we do snow. This is compounded by it not being all that cold here - ice at 32 degrees is more slippery than at 0 degrees. The other problem we have is high traffic density combined with drivers who panic at the first hint of snow. That means you can't do common sense things like maintain momentum when approaching a hill because the road is blocked with stalled cars. Or, you're forced to come to a stop on a hill and start from a dead stop.

    In addition to the challenges of commuting in the DC area itself, we like to take weekend trips to include going into the local mini-mountains, where I feel more confortable with AWD.

    These are the reasons for AWD for my own priorities and preferences. YMMV.

    Thanks
    Bruce
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    AWD also provides superior grip in the dry. I race an AWD racecar at the road race courses and even in the dry it gives me significantly better advantage over my competition. Not to mention in the rain, we basically will run down all the other FWD and RWD cars on the track.

    -mike
  • I know this is an old message, but it mentions a really cool feature about the new CTS which is comming on new cars and will change the driving expeirience almost as much as the self parking system from lexus...

    the Hard drive!

    Yes, the new CTS will have a 40gig hard drive, so you can rip songs on a cd or meybe even dvd, and dounload them right to your car! It will keep them in memeory how cool is that!

    Also, at 40 gigs you can fit alot of songs, but also I heard that this CTS may have those cornering lights, as you turn your steering wheel. if thats true that would be awesome.

    Hey, for anyone interested in the base version of this car with 258 hp, the standard interrior trim is CARBON FIBER, and there is plenty of it!

    I heard that the CTS-V version will have 550hp and in 2 years they will have a coupe version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yes, I spoke to a representative :D
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yes, the new CTS will have a 40gig hard drive, so you can rip songs on a cd or meybe even dvd, and dounload them right to your car! It will keep them in memeory how cool is that!

    The eclipse head units have had these for a few years already. 20GB for the Navigation, the rest will be for music/videos, you put a CD in and it'll rip it. Cool, but not "revolutionary"

    I heard that this CTS may have those cornering lights, as you turn your steering wheel. if thats true that would be awesome.

    Another feature I had on my 1974 Oldsmobile 98, also had on my 2000 Isuzu Trooper. The 1994-2001 Troopers also had power retracting mirrors that finally hit the SUV market in like 2003ish.

    -mike
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,708
    The difference between an AWD racecar which has full-time 4x4 versus those part-time systems is that the part-time systems just don't work.

    (I'm going to call it 4x4 since that's what the full-time systems really are as opposed to decide which set of wheels gets how much power some of the time "AWD")

    Here's an all too typical scenario.
    - You are going 60mph. You hit a bit of ice on the road. Now, this translates to 88 feet per second.
    - The AWD tries to do its job 1/4 second later, but by this time, you are 22ft beyond the icy patch and sliding sideways.
    - The traction-control has to try to wrestle the car back into line. And as seen on the Subaru videos, if it's wet or you hit more ice, it all falls apart, since nothing happens for half a second, which is 44ft - about two car lengths. You end up going sideways.

    Compare that to full-time 4x4:
    You hit the patch of ice and the car adds a bit more power to the affected wheel. The traction control kicks in 1/4 second later to adjust things back into line and that's it. Slight wobble and business as usual.

    The problem is the computers and the time it takes to turn the system on and off. They fight each other or react too slow to work with part-time systems except in one specific case, snow. If you have to move around on a snowy street at less than ~20mph, they do help somewhat, but not half as much as full-time 4x4. Many people say, not as much as good snow tires, but I've seen 4x4s up above 6000ft running around in snow with all-seasons just fine, so 4x4 beats even snow tires.

    Subaru, Audi, and Jeep in 4wd "lock" mode are the only choices that actually work in bad weather besides snow, because they are on all the time - giving power to all four wheels more or less equally.

    It's well worth your time as a consumer to research this and buy a proper full-time 4x4 vehicle instead of believing the marketing hype.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Agreed, if you have a system with <10% power going to a particular axle it's pretty much worthless for highspeed on-road.

    Audi (some audis)
    Subarus
    Jeep (some jeep systems)
    Isuzu (TOD)
    Nissans (at least in the Armada)
    Toyota (Land Cruiser)
    and some others.

    All provide some power to each axle at all times when in AWD mode, this means that if there is slippage in a particular wheel/axle the other already has power and can pull you out of the bad situation such systems are pre-emtive AWD systems, the others you find in a lot of other vehicles provide a re-actionary AWD which as described above will help you once you are stuck or in slow moving snowy situations but do little to help in slick conditions.

    -mike
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