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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • You might want to look through the postings for Fitzgeralds Auto Malls. They would at least give you an easy bargaining position to start from.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    It was white, 3.6DI, loaded with the full view sunroof. It looked good, the front looks more reserved in person, the side still looks confused and the rear is just your typical Cadillac.

    It was parked in a shopping mall garage, as we drove by I asked my girlfriend how she like it. She said it looks pretty good then quickly added that it's for older people...
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,030
    You might want to keep an eye on these two discussions:

    Cadillac CTS Prices Paid and Buying Experience
    Cadillac CTS Lease Questions

    Community Manager If you have any questions or concerns about the Forums, send me an email, karen@edmunds.com, or click on my screen name to send a personal message.

  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    I saw my first one on the road today, it was silver and looked great. The car looks like a concept car, it was beautiful as far as I could tell.
  • I just came back from looking at, sitting in, and driving a 2008 CTS. Although I loved almost everything about it, I can't understand how people who are brilliant enough to put out such a wonderful car, can be stupid enough to include that awful sun roof. Aside from looking cheap and kindof ugly, which I could probably live with, there is no way to block out all of the heat and light, which I could not live with. When I am driving and want to block out heat and light, but cannot do so, I think that is unforgivable. If I was Cadillac I would make the sunroof a mid-year change, because I guarantee you that I am not the only sale they will lose because of this. If I sound angry, I am, because I really wanted to buy this car, but feel forced to look elsewhere. GRRRRR.
  • I don't know why the whole damn roof has to be cut open to begin with. Rear seat riders don't need a view of the moon. That is the price you pay for not calling shot gun. I have a problem with no grab handles above the front windows. The grab handles make a three hour drive much more comfortable. I am still going to buy an 08 CTS, but with no sun roof.
  • You’re not the only sale they already lost. I was thinking the same thing; how come the best Cadillac in 50 years has the worst, good for nothing, sunroof panel; I wouldn’t buy a used Geo Metro with that kind of sunroof. I think the answer is the one who designed it probably from the upper management that nobody would dare to tell him Sir, your shade suck.

    I hope they’ll have a fix even before mid-year; I’m waiting until January for the 2008 NAIAS to see what Cadillac has to offer, at the mean time I’m looking at the 08 E Class, and the 5 Series. Yes it’ll cost around $10K more, but I won’t have to face the heat.
  • I'm only 6'2", but I'm long in the trunk and have the same problem with many headrests, especially Japanese cars. GM's new Lambda crossovers have the same problem--it needs to go another half inch higher or backward to avoid my neck. The engineers are trying to make a more effective head restraint for 95% of the people, but forgot about the not normally shaped.
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    alread checked there..their no haggle prices are about 4-500 off MSRP right now....I can go through my buying service....priced one out right at 41K MSRP..and can get it for just over 38k through my buying service...1SA, auto, luxury 1 package, and performance package, upgraded sound less nav, ....and a few other small items on it...
  • puckspucks Posts: 47
    I guess I don't understand the whole sunshade issue. If you don't want any sun, don't buy a sunroof. Why buy a sunroof and then keep the thing covered the whole time? What's the point? Where I live, we have 4 seasons - and three of the four will be great with a sunroof. And they invented A/C for the summer months.
  • It's not as simply as "If you don't want the sun, don't buy a sunroof." With a traditional sunroof, the sun is there when you want it and gone when you don't. The driver has the best of both worlds. Now, with the untraview sunshade, the "gone when you don't" option has been removed. The sun is now there when you want it and 50% gone when you don't want it. This is clearly a step backward. Also, to get the car without the sunroof is uneconomical considering the bundled price of the Premium luxury collection.
  • I live my sunroof and have either the roof open or at least the shade back most of the time. I love the fresh air, the way the car brightens up, and the open feel. I have never owned a car without a sunroof. The problem is, some days it is excessively hot, or I have a passenger who is sensitive to light, or for whatever reason, I would like to shut it all out. Maybe it is only 10% of the time but it is still important.
    Its like I love my navigation system. Even though I only use it 10 times a year, I want it to perform optimally when I do use it and have control over it.
    It just doesn't make any sense. Every car manufacturer in the world offers a shade that allows the car owner to decide whether he prefers a sunroof to be "open or closed". I do not think this is a small issue, and I am not that picky of a car owner. As I said, I could live with the appearance of it, but not this silly oversight.
    Don't you ever want your sunshade to be totally closed?
  • "Panoramic moonroof
    Cadillac says the optional panoramic moonroof covers more than 70 percent of the roof. The sunshade is thin, which Cadillac says enables it to roll into a smaller space and preserve rear headroom. All the same, it does a poor job blocking out the sun and mitigating wind noise. A smaller, conventional moonroof is not available."

    http://research.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?revid=52131&makeid=8&modelid=6128&y- ear=2008&revlogtype=20&section=reviews

    Just click on "moonroof photo"
  • Sunroof issue:

    The sunroof, the glass part, is fine -- probably bigger than most people want, but even if it is the "focus group" ideal size, the fact that it cannot be fully blocked is an issue and the cheap gauze or cheesecloth like covering is another.

    To add, for some, insult to injury, you cannot delete the sunroof without spending MORE money. The bundling of option groups sees to your ability to get a very nice car with a cheap looking sunroof and to avoid this, PAY MORE!

    What were they thinking?

    But, the bigger issue, in my mind, is the lack of bluetooth, especially when cars FAR LESS EXPENSIVE offer bluetooth that integrates with the audio system and incorporates on*star dialing capabilities but allows the access of voice mail. If on*star's price were cut 50%, it would still be unusable for anyone who buys or sells stuff, manages people and stuff and needs to access voice mail jail.

    A smaller issue is the lack of the OMG handles for the front seat occupants.

    The pedal operated brake is "OK" but a lever or electronic brake might have been keeping with the times.

    Finally, the adaptatation of the "sort of" keyless ignition is also "OK" but the "other guys" keep upping the ante for electronics and gizmos and the CTS is not even "state of the art" 2004, let alone 2008.

    OK, I got that (again) off my chest.

    The car is apparently very well screwed together and the interior is nearly "audi-like." The exterior styling, although hardly daring (not that it needs to be), is a beautiful evolution of the first CTS.

    The wheelbase, power, fit and finish and overall content are fine (circa 2003 or 2004 technology and capability) -- and, as such, make for "the best Cadillac ever."

    But, is it enough? Folks will say, "it is (perhaps) well priced and a value compared to the 5 series BMW." That may be true. I just keep finding it difficult to imagine that the 5 series customer will say "for $12,000 less I can get a CTS."

    With the "fixes" noted above, I still say, sign me up.

    But, quicker than I can type this, Audi announces a new A4 that adds 6+ inches to the wheelbase, RWD biased AWD, better f/r weight distribution, torque vectoring quattro, a wider track (and interior, too), an interior right out of the A6/A5 mold and that German feel, not quite yet mastered by Cadillac (the new CTS with the FE2 suspension is "floaty" and somewhat vague compared with any thing from German -- uh, er, the AWD Passat, by comparison is PLANTED to the tarmac.)

    But, the Cadillac is sooooo pretty, the stitching on the dash looks sooooo expensive, the stereo system is "dandy."

    The voice response system is, gulp, great, up to Motorola's best, circa 1987.

    The OMG handles, a cheap fix.

    The gauze sunroof interior cover, probably not as cheap as I think it "ought to be."

    The keyless ignition should be changed or just plain not offered since it must cost a lot or they would not have done it that way.

    The foot pedal parking brake -- again, probably must be a lot more expensive than I could ever imagine, for this is just so totally out of place.

    And, last but most certainly not least, bluetooth is easy to do and inexpensive. These days would you buy a new laptop without WiFi? Why buy a car without bluetooth?

    OK, OK, OK, quit complaining, yes?

    Yep, fix these things or take about 15% off the MSRP and I would probably overlook most of them.

    Prediction: the price will not be cut, even if the deals do reflect aggressive discounting BUT these "problem areas" will be, mostly, corrected before the 2009's come out.

    Prediction: if not, the new CTS will over-promise and under-deliver and (regardless) do well but not anywhere near its potential.

    More's the pity.

    Oh yea -- despite my comments, I really do like this car much more than I dislike it, by far. :surprise:
  • I just bought a 2008 CTS cadillac and absolutely love it. I took it to the touchless carwash today and guidebar for the tires seem to drag underneath the car. Has anybody else taken their car to the carwash yet? If so, was it a touchless or regular carwash? Did you notice any clearance issues?
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    They have updated CTS site on caddy.com.

    I dont see the big deal with bluetooth and would not base a car buying decision on that at all. It is offered with many other cars but typically only if you get navigation which means that many luxury cars do have bluetooth. I dont talk on the phone enough while driving to make it worthwhile. Besides, with BT headsets around I dont see why you need handsfree calling in your car too.

    It sounds like many of you are not going to get the car for a few reasons that I consider minor. Perhaps the CTS isnt for you.

    As for the keyless start, the CTS has the same type of system that Infinti and Acura use. I wouldnt say its outdated by any means. Just because it doesnt have a pushbutton doesnt mean its not advanced. Last time I checked the competition does not offer remote start with keyless go.
  • Many of my issues with the car have to do with a broader issue: marketing.

    Bluetooth and the sunroof will be, for many, deal breakers and that is my concern.
  • "It sounds like many of you are not going to get the car for a few reasons that I consider minor. Perhaps the CTS isnt for you."

    That unforgivable sunroof design is not a minor problem if it can’t block out 70% of the heat and the sun light when I don’t need them. It’s a major SHOW STOPPER in my opinion and many others on this board.

    Anybody cares to state his/her opinion has the right to speak up; if a person has to praise or criticize the car I’m thinking of buying, I would like to hear it loud and clear without getting offended, even if that criticism was exaggerated or wrong, because that critic is a real Cadillac fan, saying his/her honest opinion, not a paid Auto Writer.
  • My SRX had to go back to the dealership this past monday...apparently somebody on my normal maintenance visit forgot to check the brakes. Oops.

    Well that got me more time in the CTS and I'm starting to notice a few things that I hadn't before on first blush.

    Handling. The car I test drove was a FE2 eqipped car, not the FE3. The FE3 only comes with the summer tires (not unlike my original 2003 CTS LuxSport). I'm reading some of the complaints of the FE2 car around here and I'm scratching my head in disbelief. Nobody I've seen in any of the automotove publications dislikes the FE2; in fact, it's seen as the "daily driver" suspension for most. "Floaty" is not an adjective I'd use to describe it. I think that's a misconception since the CTS's steering rack is lighter than the outgoing one by far. It's not floaty, just different...a bit on the light side. It was commented on in the very same automotive press, but it wasn't considered a problem. I heard more howls when BMW went to their active steering scheme, frankly.

    The Sunroof. OK, nobody else seems to be complaining about this in the auto press either except the people here. Look, if the sunroof isn't for you, then don't order it! If you feel it's enough of a deal killer, shop for something else. I wouldn't call it cheap at all. As I said before, the roll up screen has been used in the SRX for four years now. The bigger issue frankly is the perforated sunscreen which I think is a debatable issue. It's also not the only time an automaker has used such a screen (Land Rover comes to mind).

    Bluetooth. I agree completely here...it's a problem. I don't think it'll be a long lasting problem...most likely fixed through a mid-cycle upgrade knowing Cadillac. One thing I learned is that only in the last two years did GM move away from the computer language they had been using to program vehicles since the '80s (Modula-2) to using something more recent (C++). Since Bluetooth connectivity affects both the radio and Onstar (two seperate systems that have to communicate together), I could see a problem getting this right from a software standpoint. There's still no excuse for not making the product launch deadline, but I can understand why it might happen.

    Lack of front seat grab handles. Another inexplicable decision, but personally I think it was cost cutting. The grabhandles above the rear seats are the same, just in mirror. A front seat grabhandle would have to likely have a different shape since a sculptered resting place for it would have to integrate with the contours of the ceiling (there are lines that frame where the sunroof would be if you don't order the sunroof). This costs money and I think it got nixed for something else. I don't miss a driver's side handle so much since you often use the steering column for the same purpose.
  • The interior styling. I'm getting a whole new level of respect for the interior design. I started looking at the details more closely and I discovered something that hasn't been discussed here. There is a central theme to the interior that it only referenced tangentely. On the seatbacks are a chrome chevron...the "V" used under Cadillac crests from 1946 until 1984. The version they are using is the superexaggerated late 1950's version.

    What you don't immediately notice is that the Caddy chevron is used as a central design theme everywhere through the dash. The central section of the dash is a big extruded chevron, right down to the central spline line. The chevron is used on the seat stitching, the cover for the cup holders and the center console and a few other places. Now I don't claim to know much about designing. But I do know that quality design often starts with a central design element that gets reused if possible. One major secondary theme is the shape of the Cadillac crest which is a variation of the extruded chevron. The steering wheel center uses the same basic shape as the Caddy crest inside it, but I notice that extruded chevron reappears below the center section on the steering wheel's "C" pillar.

    Bottom line is that I really respect how the CTS interior design team came to its final product. Nice work guys. If you compare this car to a STS (which my dealership had on the same floor), the STS seems like a proverbial "old maid" versus the CTS. Everything in the STS is boxy, upright and dreadfully boring in comparison. One major difference in the two cars...the top of the dashboard. The CTS uses a leatherette stitched down...the STS uses a hard piece of plastic like just about all other Caddys. The difference in refinement is obvious.

    Other observations. The battery is in the trunk behind a velcro attached panel on the right hand side. If you open the trunk, you'll notice the right side doesn't have as much room as the left side rearward from the tire. But you won't need to back the car up to the nose of another car to use jumper cables...there is a battery terminal labeled underneath the hood for that purpose.

    There is a passthru port from the trunk to the rear seat just like on the previous car. The spare tire is not standard but the space under the trunk floor is there is you order it. There is a canvas panel underneath the front seats that keeps crap from falling underneath the seats...a nice touch. Finally, the much maligned old CTS glovebox is a reasonable size.
  • Talked to the dealer yesterday about the bluetooh and at the moment it's a dealer installed option but does work through the car audio system. he is getting me some details for me today. He says something is mounted above the drivers sunvisor. i'll bet it's the microphone. i'll let you know when he gets me the info.

    Mike
  • The keyless entry/ignition feature on the 2008 CTS is one of the nicer options and I have a hard time believing anyone could have any serious fault with it. Is the complaint that Caddy used a "switch" that you turn rather than a button that you push? It's the same natural and traditional motion we have all been executing for years without having to take the key out of your pocket and physically place it in the ignition.
    The key fob that accompanies the keyless entry/ignition is sleek looking and feels solid. I was very impressed. The remote start is an added bonus. This is a feature that should be put into the "positive" category.
  • It is the microphone. If you sit in other Bluetooth enabled Cadillacs (like the Escalade), you'll notice the microphone just above your head to the left of the sun visor. At some point I would expect this to get integrated into the factory process. The dealer installed bit is probably so that early adopters wouldn't completely have a proverbial cow about no Bluetooth at all.
  • #1366 of 1373 website by 1487 Sep 18, 2007 (5:55 pm)
    They have updated CTS site on caddy.com.

    I dont see the big deal with bluetooth and would not base a car buying decision on that at all. It is offered with many other cars but typically only if you get navigation which means that many luxury cars do have bluetooth. I dont talk on the phone enough while driving to make it worthwhile. Besides, with BT headsets around I dont see why you need handsfree calling in your car too.

    It sounds like many of you are not going to get the car for a few reasons that I consider minor. Perhaps the CTS isnt for you.

    As for the keyless start, the CTS has the same type of system that Infinti and Acura use. I wouldnt say its outdated by any means. Just because it doesnt have a pushbutton doesnt mean its not advanced. Last time I checked the competition does not offer remote start with keyless go.

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    This is the thing. I am not sure half the opposition to the car is well-informed. The press has just raved and raved over this car.

    "Cheap" sunroof? "Excess heat"?

    I have not read any indication that any of the people here have experienced the car's AC being unable to handle the "excess heat". It's just a wild extrapolation.

    This car may not be "the car of the ages", but it is a no-compromise car, as there are many features it has that the competition does not (as all "full" cars do when they are new).

    I agree.
    I highly doubt any assertion that "lack of Bluetooth" and a "cheap sunroof" (otherwise taken to be a marvel of panorama in every car it appears in--QX7, SRX) would negatively affect any serious attempt to buy this car.

    It could, cheaply, confer an "air of discrimination" though.
  • #1367 of 1374 Re: website [1487] by markcincinnati Sep 18, 2007 (6:22 pm)
    Replying to: 1487 (Sep 18, 2007 5:55 pm)
    Many of my issues with the car have to do with a broader issue: marketing.

    Bluetooth and the sunroof will be, for many, deal breakers and that is my concern.

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    But you cannot purchase the car for "many". You can only purchase the car for you.

    The car will do at least as well as the old one, and possibly better (with variants); so we cannot tell what will be a "deal breaker".

    My feeling is that both are superfluous concerns.

    Bluetooth earpieces are ubiquitous and widely used, and that the sunroof is "cheap" is subjective (and probably a minority view). It certainly won't affect the car's sales numbers, since its sheer size is impressive.

    Let us pick this back up in a year and see how it fared.
  • #1368 of 1375 Re: website [1487] by knotem Sep 18, 2007 (9:33 pm)
    Replying to: 1487 (Sep 18, 2007 5:55 pm)
    "It sounds like many of you are not going to get the car for a few reasons that I consider minor. Perhaps the CTS isnt for you."

    That unforgivable sunroof design is not a minor problem if it can’t block out 70% of the heat and the sun light when I don’t need them. It’s a major SHOW STOPPER in my opinion and many others on this board.

    Anybody cares to state his/her opinion has the right to speak up; if a person has to praise or criticize the car I’m thinking of buying, I would like to hear it loud and clear without getting offended, even if that criticism was exaggerated or wrong, because that critic is a real Cadillac fan, saying his/her honest opinion, not a paid Auto Writer.

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    Please point to multiple car reviews from magazines, online publications and new owners or people who have test-driven this car that point to the sunroof being a "SHOW STOPPER" (sic).

    Such a view is unique to a few posters on this forum and largely rhetorical. Can anyone refer me to any reviewers here who failed to overcome the "70%" heat problem with the AC? Did I miss the posts where people complained about the heat (on actual test drives)?

    Other than that, this is the first time I have ever heard anybody try to suggest that auto writers could be biased in favor of Cadillac (or GM).
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,669
    Anyone finding the red ones in stock? The dealers near me have none (Dallas).
  • #1372 of 1376 Keyless entry/ignition by rem506 Sep 19, 2007 (11:15 am)
    The keyless entry/ignition feature on the 2008 CTS is one of the nicer options and I have a hard time believing anyone could have any serious fault with it. Is the complaint that Caddy used a "switch" that you turn rather than a button that you push? It's the same natural and traditional motion we have all been executing for years without having to take the key out of your pocket and physically place it in the ignition.
    The key fob that accompanies the keyless entry/ignition is sleek looking and feels solid. I was very impressed. The remote start is an added bonus. This is a feature that should be put into the "positive" category.

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    It is a positive.

    It's way simpler than BMW's keyless ignition system--which Edmunds hated (as well as Car and Driver--and maybe even Motor Trend); and it's the same as the Acura RL's:

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    Interestingly enough, Car and Driver complained that Acura's design drained the battery since it was easy to not turn it all the way to "Off"--

    "Complaints, yes, we got complaints. The ignition knob on the steering-wheel column seemed a dumb idea and left at least two editors stranded with a dead battery because they hadn’t turned the knob all the way off. In a car with a traditional ignition, they wouldn’t have been able to remove the key and kill the battery."

    http://www.caranddriver.com/longroadtests/10770/long-term-test-review-2005-acura- -rl-2005-acura-rl-rants-and-raves-page2.html

    So, three to four years later, we know Cadillac's system is better than that.

    Here is how it looks:

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    Much of the criticism of the car on this board is unfair in the light of its competitors. This is quickly obvious when you look at the details.
  • It's too late for that, as some here don't seem to even care to know that.

    Here are some night shots:

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,306
    I started wondering if Rockylee had been reincarnated with a new screen name, but apparently not. He's still posting elsewhere these days, but doesn't want to participate here or in the Entry-Level board, now that there actually is an '08 CTS. Strange, given his previous history.

    I'd thought some of the recent cheerleading might have been him. Guess again.
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