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Toyota Tacoma Clutch Issues

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  • Hi, I was just wondering if you have contacted Toyota Corporation and expressed concerns of a recall with the Tacomas? I have a 2008 Tacoma 4X4 and 1/25/2010 the clutch assembly was replaced along with the flywheel being resurfaced. Toyota covered this under warranty. I put it in the service dept for repairs yesturday 3/1/2011 they called me that afternoon and told me the clutch, throwout bearing and flywheel all were once again needing to be replaced, only this time warranty would not cover it. My cost is $1,300.00. My concern is that it will happen again and again. I have read on this forum where over and over this is happening to Tacoma owners but if you call Toyota Corp they will tell you that there have been no other reports with this problem from consumers. The only way they can research a recall is if consumers call in. I have an active case number with this concern and am hoping that they will cover my repairs because of defect. If you have not called them please do so they can see that there are other owners having these issues. The number is 1-800-331-4331.
    Thank you,
    Belinda
  • Hi, I was just wondering if you have contacted Toyota Corporation and expressed concerns of a recall with the Tacomas? I have a 2008 Tacoma 4X4 and 1/25/2010 the clutch assembly was replaced along with the flywheel being resurfaced. Toyota covered this under warranty. I put it in the service dept for repairs yesturday 3/1/2011 they called me that afternoon and told me the clutch, throwout bearing and flywheel all were once again needing to be replaced, only this time warranty would not cover it. My cost is $1,300.00. My concern is that it will happen again and again. I have read on this forum where over and over this is happening to Tacoma owners but if you call Toyota Corp they will tell you that there have been no other reports with this problem from consumers. The only way they can research a recall is if consumers call in. I have an active case number with this concern and am hoping that they will cover my repairs because of defect. If you have not called them please do so they can see that there are other owners having these issues. The number is 1-800-331-4331.
    Thank you,
    Belinda
  • Hi, I was just wondering if you have contacted Toyota Corporation and expressed concerns of a recall with the Tacomas? I have a 2008 Tacoma 4X4 and 1/25/2010 the clutch assembly was replaced along with the flywheel being resurfaced. Toyota covered this under warranty. I put it in the service dept for repairs yesturday 3/1/2011 they called me that afternoon and told me the clutch, throwout bearing and flywheel all were once again needing to be replaced, only this time warranty would not cover it. My cost is $1,300.00. My concern is that it will happen again and again. I have read on this forum where over and over this is happening to Tacoma owners but if you call Toyota Corp they will tell you that there have been no other reports with this problem from consumers. The only way they can research a recall is if consumers call in. I have an active case number with this concern and am hoping that they will cover my repairs because of defect. If you have not called them please do so they can see that there are other owners having these issues. The number is 1-800-331-4331.
    Thank you,
    Belinda
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited March 2011
    Since the clutch assembly is considered a normal wear item, like brakes, tires, etc, I find myself surprised it was repaired/replaced under warranty.....were I a service manager, absent TSB coverage, that would have NEVER happened.

    "..all needed to be replaced.."

    ODO mileage..?

    "...my concern is that it will happen again and again.."

    Your concern is warranted, IT WILL...!!

    But only every 30,000 to 80,000 miles.

    ~30,000 if the clutch is put to severe use, lots of 4WD mode use, especially if that sometimes involves unwarranted, inadvertent, use on tractive conditions.

    ~50,000 if you must endure winters in say, Cut bank MT.

    ~80,000 if the 4WD mode is rarely used, say use in the Seattle area and ONLY when warranted.

    Even less than 30,000 if 4X4 mode is often used, NEEDED for use, regardless of conditions.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..over and over this is happening to Tacoma owners.."

    Yes, no doubt.

    My judgment is that these days very few buyers, the majority actually, of true 4X4 vehicle owners have a good understanding of just what the "PART-TIME" descriptive words truly mean. This "pool" of knowledge has been contaminated, HIGHLY contaminated, by the unwarranted use of the 4WD term when what the vehicle really, ACTUALLY, is, is a R/awd or a patently UNSAFE F/awd system. Basically an AUTOMATIC "AWD" system, or even worse an AWD system which must be "enabled" by the driver.

    In the normal sense a driver enabled "AWD" system would be a good thing, but in this case that only leads to the confusion between enabling an "AWD" system vs switching a "part-time" 4WD system "on".

    Confusion between the 2 can easily lead to inadvertent, IMPROPER, engagement of part-time 4WD systems wherein damage to the drive train might be the direct result, SOON.

    Obviously the dealers, and most especially the dealer salespersons, are of NO HELP. Dealer sales and therefore profits are dependent on the cloud of confusion remaining as to what constitutes a true 4WD system, "PART-TIME" 4WD system, vs one of these mostly nonfunctional and patently unsafe (in actual adverse roadbed conditions) F/awd systems.

    How many buyers today purchase one of these patently UNSAFE F/awd vehicles thinking they are getting adverse roadbed performance equivalent to an actual 4WD system..?
  • drs0118drs0118 Posts: 1
    i have a 2008 toyota tacoma 4x4.i changed the bed of the truck when i got it to put a toolbox bed on it.i snow plow and fixed that all way.i am on my fourth clutch.this last one has less then a thousand miles on it......i contacted toyota and they said since i altered the truck they couldnt do anything.they are making the clutches differently now.i had a 1996 tacoma 4x4 and it had over 196,000 miles on it and i snow plowed with it and i never had this problem.any suggestions.
  • samr2samr2 Posts: 3
    2007 Tacoma ,4cyl , stick, 42K, truck was not started for over a month, sat in garage. First time I started it , clutch pedal went to floor and stayed there, I pulled pedal up and depressed it a few times and it was ok for about a month. Today I depressed clutch and pedal went to floor and stayed there again. I pulled it up but now it keeps going to floor and not returning. I tried to shift when pedal was at floor, but made grinding sound of clutch not engaging. Anyone had this problem? I never had any problem before it was idle for that month. Also, anyone know where I might find service manual online and diagram of clutch mechanism? Thanks Sam
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    While fairly unusual for a vehicle only 4 years old, this sounds like a clutch slave cylinder issue. Sometimes quick lube shops leave a lid off reservoirs, and just like the brake mastercylinder, the clutch uses brake fluid which is designed to absorb water. (even moisture out of the air if cap is not in place properly or left off too long during servicing). My guess, is this might have caused this issue, but more probably was just a faulty seal within the clutch slave cylinder.

    The cheapest (temporary, or permanent, but not guaranteed to work given what we know so far over the internet) fix would be to simply flush the old fluid out by gravity syphoning the old fluid out and bleed the air out after adding new fluid. The service manual and a friend can help you with this procedure. It is exactly like bleeding air from a wheel cylinder on your brakes only simpler as there is just the one slave cylinder to deal with.

    It is surprising you had success with the first pumping after the one month sit. I do suspect a bad seal. (dried out and prematurely failed due to the one month sit). So with this in mind, you probably need a new slave cylinder or internal kit. Not expensive. If you add fluid now, it may pump again enough to get you to the garage without a tow if you don't want to tackle this relatively easy job yourself. I say that, not being sure how hard the slave cylinder is to get at on your truck.

    Sam
  • samr2samr2 Posts: 3
    Thanks for the information. Yeah, I am thinking the problem was caused by the truck sitting in the garage for over a month. I had no issues at all prior to that. A few more questions: Where is the clutch reservoir located? I would like to check the level but don't know where it is. Does this take a special fluid or brake fluid? Is the slave cylinder located near the clutch pedal or in the engine compartment? I don't have a manual. Is there anyplace online you know of where I could see a diagram of the clutch mechanism?

    Thanks again, your help is greatly appreciated

    Sam
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    You're welcome, but I can't help you on all detail points here as I have never had a Tacoma, but I can help in a general way as most setups are much the same. It will use brake fluid. I am all but certain of this. I can't see any reason Toyota would use anything but that. Probably a DOT 3 or 4 but check in your owner's manual as it will likely state that and the quantity. It will be very little, only few oz. The reservoir (atop the clutch master cylinder) is most likely on the firewall or fender in the engine bay. It will be very small so easy to miss. My guess is about 1.75" in dia. and 3" high? There will be a line that goes down to the transmission. Follow that line and it will take you to the slave cylinder which is usually attached right on the transmission. It will have a pushrod and/or lever (may not be noticeable on the exterior tho) that activates the clutch inside. Your actual problem could be in the slave or master cylinder.

    I forgot to Google, but you should be able to. I would start by Googling:
    - online shop manual for 2007 Tacoma
    - 2007 Tacoma diagram of clutch slave cylinder
    - 2007 Tacoma forums - help with clutch slave cylinder diagnosing/replacement

    - etc

    I did find this link that will help you understand how they work and it has some pics.

    http://www.hurst-drivelines.com/files/Clutch_Linkage_Installation_Tips.pdf

    Sam
  • samr2samr2 Posts: 3
    Thanks for you help, Sam. I ended up replacing both the master and slave cylinders. I think the problem was the Master cylinder,but for an extra $20 figured I change both just in case. Was a relatively simple job. Removing the master was a job, but installing both took about 1.5 hours. Working ok, now, Again, thanks for your help

    Sam
  • I have a 2001 tacoma 4x4 5 speed truck reg. cab,back in january I had a certified mechanic to install a new clutch it lasted 5 weeks,it broke around the flange of the center of it.So they put another new one in,it lasted 8 months and broke in the same place,are there any recalls on this clutch,it's getting expensive replacing these clutches,this time I had a different brand from napa put in.We have never had this truck off road.I have pictures if interested.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I suspect you mean the pressure plates are cracking around the crankshaft mounting bolt pattern. Common problem when drive trains are often overstressed. Are you by chance sometimes running, inadvertently or unintentually, with the center diff'l locked on a non-slip surface...?

    Is there a chance that when the first clutch was replaced your Tacoma is now always running with the center diff'l locked. Wheel "hop", tire scrubbing in low speed turns...?
  • Clutch broke around center just outside of springs along the thin band that goes around the clutch.Driven in 2 wheel high.rarely ever use 4 wheel drive
  • Seven days ago I purchased my 05 Tacoma from a major dealership (Checkard Flag Toyota) in Virginia Beach, VA. Yesterday, I started my truck to warm it up, everything is fine...I come back out of the house and I hear a slight squeaky taping sound coming from under my truck...wtf, I think in my head. As I start driving in and out of gears on the way up, I notice that the sound goes in and out as the clutch pedal is pushed in and let out. So I know for sure that Its a clutch issue. Today, I called the dealership that I just purchased the vehicle from with a clean bill of health. They tell me to bring it in. I take it in, I talk with the mechanic shop foreman there, after doing a walk around and listening to the engine and checking all the belts, he tells me it's my clutch release bearing. He says that it's not a mechanical issue and that there is nothing to worry about...WTF...I know better I'm from a family that fixes cars. I tell him, well, I just can't live with the annoying squeak sound. It's unbearable...and very irritating. He says that it's not covered under my extended warranty because it's a manual transmission. WTF I just bought the truck a week ago. It's not even used. I put 10 miles on the thing since I purchased it. Anyone know of a way to get the dealership to fix it. Oh and here's the kicker....the carfax stated that the clutch was replaced along with all the belts by the same dealership...guess they decided to not actually do it..
  • Sounds like your clutch was not adjusted correctly to start with. clutch is either up or down, dont get going by slipping the clutch.
  • Well my 2005, 4,0 6speed stick sport is still doing just fine regarding the clutch. done now over 71000 miles. Clutch dont wear out when u driving it only wears when changing gears, Many people like to "slip the clutch when changing" which will make quick wear on it. Also dont take off on the 2nd just because the 1st is so slow. I am expecting to get another 70000 out of it, and this truck does more than driving to the mall. Tacoma still has issues with frame rust thou but i will deal with that when the sparewheel or the tank falls of. Smile life is short.
  • knowsitallknowsitall Posts: 5
    edited January 2012
    A lot of people get one problem and all freaked out that the whole truck is worthless.
    The problem with the Tacoma clutches is now VERY WELL ESTABLISHED. It is a product vendor named LUK. They manufacture SOME of the clutches. Their factory is in Mexico.

    In 100% of the cases of clutch slipping, breaking, chattering, or blowing out, the EXISTING clutch is found to be a LUK clutch. When replaced with a high quality JAPANESE MADE AISIN CLUTCH, the problems are corrected PERMANENTLY, or at least for the reasonable lifespan of a clutch, i.e. 100000+ miles.

    Despite being through several product revisions, the LUK clutch supplier continues to produce a shoddy product, which is why most of the clutch-related TSB's indicated to replace both the disk and pressure plate with AISIN. Once this is done, there will be no more problems.

    The current part numbers for the 4-cyl trucks are 31210-26172 for the pressure plate and 31250-60500 for the clutch disk. I suggest changing out the bearing and machining the flywheel while its all apart, and if the mileage is high, even replacing the rear main seal would be a good idea, especially if it shows any sign of seepage.

    It should also be pointed out that changing car brands probably won't help, since LUK manufacturers shoddy clutches for other vendors as well, such as FORD and GM. You certainly won't get a high quality AISIN in a domestic car.
  • U got good points. LUK is junk. Maybe mine is the lucky one, knock on wood. Trust me on this. when the clutch goes i will do the work of replacement myself and with Aisin Parts. Smile life is short. And have a cold one, i am.
  • ahinojosa83: They either didn't do it, didn't do it properly, or did it fine and put in bad parts. Your issue actually sounds a lot like T-SB-0103-11: http://www.tacomahq.com/861/tacoma-manual-transmission-rattling-noise/

    Is it a 4-cyl?
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