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What Keeps You Loyal To A Brand?



  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    I want to bring the "new" NYer to Carlisle because, if nothing else, its radio works, whereas the one in the "old" one is broken! The only thing I really want to do to it though, to be safe, is change the hoses. The lower radiator hose looked a bit iffy, and the heater hoses weren't the best looking things in the world, either! Oh, and it really does need a good wash and wax/buff job.

    Oh yeah, I forgot about my '88 LeBaron, which I bought off my uncle when I was married, and gave to the ex-wife when we split as part of the settlement. So of all the brands I've had, looks like Chrysler was in the lead, anyway. Actually, I think I mentally blocked out that LeBaron on purpose! :P
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Hmmm, I think for me it's Ford:

    1997 Escort
    1999 Expedition
    2002 Explorer
    2003 Focus

    We've had 3 Saturns ('03 L300, '04 VUE and '06 ION), 1 Honda and 1 VW in the past 10 years, along with the Fords.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,328
    Well, sure, but don't you have all 3 Saturns currently?
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Correct .. all the Saturns are our current cars .. plus, my stepson has an '01 L200 that he bought and currently drives, so that makes us a 4 Saturn family.

    So, at the moment, we are loyal to Saturn for the following reasons:

    1) we qualify for the GM Supplier discount
    2) the plastic side panels .. which are going away with the new models
    3) the dealership experience .. cannot afford a Lexus; this is the best customer service I've ever had from a dealer

    (Gee, you'd think I could qualify for a 'frequent buyer' discount or something!)
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,328
    Absolutely! You should get the fleet rate!
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    For me it's Buick:

    1965 Wildcat conv.
    1975 Apollo
    1988 Regal
    1979 Electra 225 coupe
    1999 P/A Ultra
    2004 Ranier
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Now THAT was a car, and THAT was a name for a car!!!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    Now THAT was a car, and THAT was a name for a car!!!

    Yeah, I always liked those too. I think my favorite Electras are the mammoth '75-76 4-door hardtops, but I like the downsized '77-79 models too. Preferably with a 403. I think the '80-84 is a sharp looking car too, but by that time they killed all the good engines. You could get an Olds 350 in 1980 as an option (307 was standard), but from '81-84 you were limited to the 252 V-6, 307 V-8, or the Diesel 350.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Shouldn't they have quit calling it a "225" after GM sold the Buick chop-block to Kaiser-Frazier?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    Actually they should've quit calling it 225 once it got longer than 225". That's what the 225 denoted originally. I'm not sure when they finally went over 225", though. I think for awhile in the 60's they actually shrunk up just a bit. I think the '71-76 models were about 230", and then the '77-84 models were 221".

    In 1985, when the little FWD model came out, they initially called them Electra 300 and Electra 380, in relation to engine size (3.0 or 3.8 V-6)
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    Do you recall if there was an Electra 430? I would swear that a neighbor of mine had an '85 that said 430 on it.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    Now that you mention it, they did offer a Diesel engine in the '85 Electra. It was a 4.3 V-6. It was a chopped version of the Olds 350 Diesel, not to be confused with Chevy's 4.3/262 gas V-6 that was introduced that year, and a chopped version of the Chevy 350.

    So I'm guessing the Diesel Electra might've had a "430" badge on it. Also, I goofed on what Buick called their trim levels in 1985. The actual model names were Electra (base) Electra Park Ave (luxury model) and Electra T-type (sporty model). My Consumer Guide is also showing that the 3.8 was standard. However, here's a link to an old Consumer Reports comparison test that had an Electra, and they say the 3.0 was standard, with the 3.8 being a $260 option.

    The '85 Electra/Ninety-Eight/DeVille had an extra long model year though. I think they were actually introduced in the spring of 1984. So maybe the 3.0 was standard in early models, and then later on in the model year they decided to just make the 3.8 standard?
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    So maybe the 3.0 was standard in early models, and then later on in the model year they decided to just make the 3.8 standard?

    I didn't know they had a 3.0. I thought the 2.8l V6 got punched to 3.1l. Did the 98/Park Ave platform go FWD in 85 or was it still RWD for another year?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    I didn't know they had a 3.0. I thought the 2.8l V6 got punched to 3.1l. Did the 98/Park Ave platform go FWD in 85 or was it still RWD for another year?

    You can thank GM's divisions still having a lot of their own engines for that confusion. Buick came out with a 3.0 version of their 3.8 V-6, for 1982 I believe. It was used mainly in the Century and Cutlass Ciera. I think the Omega and Skylark X-cars still used Chevy 2.8's. It had a 2-bbl carb, and was rated at 110 hp, interestingly the same as the larger 3.8 2-bbl.

    For 1985, when the Grand Am/Calais/Somerset Regal were introduced, they got a fuel injected version that put out 125 hp. Also, I just looked in another used car book I have, that covers 1977-86, and it does show the 1985 Electra/98 offering the 3.0 2-bbl V-6.

    I think the 3.0 was dropped after 1985 in everything except the Grand Am and its siblings. Centurys and Cieras started phasing in the Chevy 2.8, with a Buick 3.8 being optional.

    The Chevy 2.8 is the one that got enlarged to 3.1, and eventually it started showing up in most of GM's midsized/compact offerings, but I don't think that was until around 1990 or so. Also, Buick tried fielding yet another version of their 3.8. I think it was a 3.3, and offered for a few years in the Century/Ciera, before they all just went to 3.1's.

    And yeah, 1985 was the year that GM downsized their C-bodies. However, Cadillac kept a RWD version around, calling it simply "Brougham".
  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    Have owned Hyundai Sonatas (1990, 1992, 1995), Nissan Maxima 1997 and two Honda Pilots 2004 and 2006. Our family does 40,000 on each of our vehicles and all of the above were outstanding. The early Sonatas were not as refined as today's Hyundai's but were very reliable and durable. My 1995 Sonata is still in service with 250,000 on it. The 97 Maxima was flawless and fun to drive. The two Honda Pilots have been without issue. The first one was driven 100,000 miles in 2 years and it never saw but oil, fluid, brake and tire changes. Perfect truck. The 2006 already has 30,000 on it and has been perfect.
    I am buying a 2007 Elantra for my daughter. My brother has a 1998 Elantra with 140,000 miles and it has been a perfect car with only one minor repair. No reason to pay $2k more for the smaller Civic if she is going to drive it for 5-7 years and put tons of mileage on it.
    Loyalty? I would have to say that I am very loyal to Honda and Hyundai. Nissan doesn't have a car I want so I'll stick with Hyundai and Honda.
  • mirde98mirde98 Posts: 95
    I've owned two 1985's Honda Civic's, one 94 Hyundai Excel, one 98 Mitsubishi Mirage and i just bought a new Mitsubishi Lancer. I've never had any major problems with any of my vehicles. I owned the Mirage 9yrs and i sold it in perfect conditions. As it for now my first choice is Mitsubishi. 2nd would be Hyundai and 3rd choice would be Honda. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My dad had an Electra, 1977 IIRC, and loved it so much he cried when he sold it.

    For some reason, in the 80s he got an Olds instead, and then he switched to Fords for a while.

    I think he left GM because he liked the Explorer better than the first 4 door Blazers, which were pieced together a bit much for his tastes.

    He had a bad Taurus and now drives an Outback.

    No loyalty from him! :D
  • rafarafa Posts: 35
    Well let me start bye saying that nissan are great cars for young people because they design cars that we want. I am 26 and my wife is 23 years old and right now in our garage there is a 2005 nissan maxima that she drives and a 2007 nissan titan that i drive we love our cars so much. We have had a 2001 nissan maxima,2004 nissan titan,2005 nissan armada, and now 2005 maxima titan. Will always own japan made. I know what you guys are thinking these cars are usa made which they are assemble here but all the parts come from japan all made in japan. Will never buy american cars from gm ford chrysler because they dont make any cars that we want they make cars for old people and piece of s...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    But what other brands have you owned? And for how long? At 26 years old with 6 nissans under your belt, it doesn't sound like you have formed much of a fair comparison.

    PLUS, seeing as how all 6 have been in the past 6-7 years, you also have owned one long enough to make much of a reliability/longevity judgement.

    I'm not knocking nissan. I think they are good. I'm just saying it seems a bit premature on your part to be so loyal. Kinda like marrying the first girl ya kiss, no? ;b

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,849
    I know what you guys are thinking these cars are usa made which they are assemble here but all the parts come from japan all made in japan.

    IIRC, the Nissan Altima is something like 65% domestic content. So in addition to being assembled in the United States, it's a safe bet that a lot of its components were sourced from the US as well.

    The domestics and imports actually share a lot of parts nowadays. GM makes automatic transmissions for BMW. The a/c compressor in my Dodge Intrepid is supposedly the same component as what's in a Honda Accord. My a/c is failing, BTW, so who do I blame? The Japanese or the Americans? Or the Germans, maybe, since Chrysler was under their control by the time my car was made? :P

    I've also heard varying opinions on Nissan quality. Not enough to scare me away from ever buying one, but I'm not going to blindly put them up on a pedestal, either. My Mom & stepdad had a 91 Stanza that was in need of some pretty steep repairs by the 90,000 mile mark. Among them, the tranny and exhaust system. I've personally known a few examples of the 2.4 4-cyl and the 3.0 V-6 from that era that had timing chains fail prematurely and reduce the engine to rubbish. The tranny in my Mom & stepdad's '99 Altima crapped out at 35,000 miles. But to that car's credit, tranny #2, which was put in under warranty, is doing fine and I'm sure that car has about 240,000 miles on it by now.

    And I've heard some people say that these older Nissans were the durable ones, and that the new ones aren't as good! The Titan/Armada was pretty unreliable when it first came out, although they may be improved by now. Still, if you didn't have any problems with those earlier models, count yourself lucky.

    Nissan does have a sort of youth appeal to it, though. A friend of mine bought an Xterra last year. He was also considering a Chevy Equinox. The "cool" factor of the Xterra is what won out, though. And I'll admit I like the 2002-06 Altima a lot, along with the new one.
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