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Chevrolet Avalanche

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  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    I'll let you know in about 3 months.

    So far, I've only driven the Convertible version of the C5, so seals are irrevalent, if you know what I mean.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    So far not a mention of the Av at either show. Will it be shown as a new model at these shows?
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    Its gonna be in chicago (feb 9-18)

    Ryan
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    I got an interesting little brochure in the mail a few days ago. It shows all color options and all the "tricks" that can be done with the different layouts in color pictures. They are small pictures though.

    I still like its functionality potential, but its the quality part that scares me.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    of the Ave will be suspect? LOL!!!

    Could it be because of GM's previous track record?
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Did you get the 14 page brochure? I've seen it as a pdf file - resolution wasn't that great.

    Babs: They show the Av as scheduled for 33 events starting with the LA show on now. But it hasn't received any commentary to date. LA is the first and Chicago the second Chevy Truck Special Event.

    Maybe the waterfall that the production models will be demonstrated under at these shows is still being assembled. They may nip that quality question in the bud. LOL?
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    Ya, but they are only 1/2 size pages though. Good pictures, but small.

    Looks like they reengineered those storage units in the rear quarters. Decreased the storage space, but added grab handles on the rear corners.

    Also, they put lighting on the inside of the box panels (good idea) but I bet that you have to go all the way to the instrument panel to turn them on and off. LOL.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    I would like to see the Av at a show - but evidently it hasn't made a showing at LA or Detroit. On the GM Experience Live, you can view all of the models displayed. The Av is MIA! In between basketball tourney games this past weekend, I took the family and one other boy to test drive the SCrew Lariat and the Suburban LT (closest you can find to the AV for now). The SCrew, while nice, was more truck-like in ride and handling (expected). Best feature - adjustable pedals. Detractions - difficult step-in height for smaller folk, seats were a little short in the thigh. Sub - excellent ride and handling - big difference on washboard, etc. Heated seat a winner for the wife. The kids thought it offered a little less rear legroom. I want to see the Avalanche, but will not make plans for a show until it will be there for sure.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    You have to look, but you can find the Av in Detroit. They are showing the grotesque Base Camp and a Z71 in white. The top box storage does look very different, as noted by joelis earlier.
  • greg116greg116 Posts: 116
    March last year. Had the red one there. way up, couldnt see into it. Major dissapointment.

    Prediction: 2003-4 Chevrolet Avalanche SS 6.0L, maybe dropped.

    Can't wait to climb all over one of these things at a dealership/car show!

    Does anyone know if the interior can be sealed with the "midgate" down? i.e. tailgate closed, box tonneau in place, rear glass in place but seats folded and box exposed to interior? It would be nice to have a way to open up the cargo box to 8 feet and still seal yourself COMPLETELY from the outside like a regular cab pickup. Oh well. Still a very nice truck.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Sealed cargo area with the midgate open and the glass in - is possible. Whether it seals tightly, well, that's the open question right now.
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    I can't even get my Silverado to seal properly, how can they expect to do it with a semi convertible Ave? LOL
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Joelis - Dean has seen this, in case you haven't - from the Silverado Problems topic...

    68 3 & 4 door problems by salesrep Jan 19, 2001 (03:46 pm)
    I had previously reported that I would pass on the Chevrolet part numbers that will fix your hard closing problem in cold or cool weather of the rear doors on the ext cabs Silverado.

    #15057687 Latch, #15057688 Latch, #15063698 Striker. The Chevrolet TSB for this problem is 00-08-64-016 Located in section 08 under Body & Accessories.

    Both right and left door are affected by this TSB.

    Up till a week ago Chevrolet totally denied any knowledge of a door closing problem. In one week they have manufactured parts and written the TSB. Amazing!!!
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Ordering that was to commence in Jan. will now be Feb. They will not see a production vehicle in the 1st qtr. as originally scheduled. Units to hit showrooms in April/May. (MAYBE?) Meanwhile, the Lincoln Blackwood is available for ordering and F150 SCrew continues to rack up the sales. Can you say "behind the curve"?
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    I noticed the movement of this topic into the "hot" category, and, like a bad car wreck, I had to gawk (when talking Aztek, not to be confused with gack, LOL). A post that may be of interest:

    "By the fall, dealers will start seeing the 2002 Aztek models with exterior modifications. Anything plastic on the exterior (front/rear bumpers, side skirting, protective cladding, grille, front/rear lighting will be changed and (with the exception of the lights of course) will be painted the color of the vehicle vs the gray we have now. The cladding over the wheels will lose the flat look and become round so as to make the wheels look larger."

    Not knowing the validity or credibility of the claim or the party that posted the above, doesn't this have a familiar ring? A vehicle, with overly aggressive styling, cheap looking plastic cladding available in one color, and wheel flares encompassing a flat styling.

    Is GM analyzing the results of the Aztek debacle and embarking on a campaign to make the production Av more appealing to the masses? Remember, Aztek sales were forecasted to be in a range similar those forecasted for the Av. Those forecasts were scaled back 25% or more soon after introduction and many dealers have their first and only models on their lots as the plant is being shutdown.

    My take - 1) GM is overly optimistic with a sales forecast of 100,000 units/year. 2)Salespeople/Consumers are nervous about the pricing of this vehicle, yet to be published, to the point that it should settle below expectations. 3) The Av will need to share more parts and looks with the 'rado and Sub to sell near expectations and be more profitable for the General.
  • guru101guru101 Posts: 15
    I completely agree with you timfarn on all 3 of your points. I totally fit into #2. I want an Av, but I think the $$$ will be too high. Looking at the market, anything above 26k for a base is too high. If I could get a 4x4 for less than 30k I think I would. Otherwise, I'll buy a Santa Fe.

    My prediction is that the Av will suffer a typical GM demise. They'll make them for a few years, realize there are engineering and profitibility issues, and can it. The Av will be another Fiero, Impala SS, Lumina MPV, etc. You can add the Aztek to this list too.

    If GM really wants to sell 100,000 Avs, they should make it look exactly like an extend cab 'rado, except a little longer.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Since the Av is a derivative of the Sub, it would be natural for the truck to look like the ex cab 'rado. Using common doors, trim, etc. helps profitability. I think the Av will have "legs" especially as compared to some of the models you mention - just not at the sales levels projected by GM. Can you believe they were advertising the Aztek during the Super Bowl!? Either a colossal waste of advertising $ or a last ditch effort to give some life to a doomed product.
  • Yeah, not only did GM advertise during the Super Bowl, but I've seen commercials during the new Survivor series too. I just read that Pontiac has only sold 11,700 Azteks since June. That's terrible. I don't see how GM could have missed the mark this badly.

    I live in the Detroit area, and I see several Azteks daily. Its my belief that outside of GM employees in South-East Michigan, GM has managed to sell very few Azteks. I don't see how they can afford to keep producing them. I think its going to be redesigned very quickly.
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    Its also going to be the Pace Car for the Daytona 500. Unbelieveable, GM pissing money away on that piece of junk.

    Guru, are you serious about buying a Hyundai? Why?

    You get what you pay for you know. Cheap junk and ugly too!
  • Saw the avalanche at the Portland boat show on saturday. They had it on platform so I could not check out the midgate up close in the truck. However, there was a cut-out of the midgate on display. I was able to close it, but could not figure out how it opens - I could open whole thing with the t-bar when window was removed, but not the gate with the window in place - there must be some trick to it.
    This must be a display from pre-production testing or something - there is a 1/8 gap with light coming through near the top of the t-bar. I could easily slide finger to the other side near the t-bar at the top - gasket is soft. Imagine the wind noise at 70mph...Seal is very simple, except the part around the t-bar, where it is pretty ugly. The latches are pretty simple too - but they required me about 50 lbs of pressure/push to lock. Imagine twisting your back and trying to lock it inside when you are standing outside...dangerous for your back to twist and push at the same time.
    I got disappointment at the top boxes too - they are wiggling since they are only supported at center by a lock. All that plastic near front is very soft - I thought the grille would me metal not cheap soft plastic. Cladding has a rough texture - it will provide good grip for all the dirt to hold. I think it will leave scuff marks, too.
    They are marketing it heavily - I guess someone is afraid it would not sell. The MSRP was verbally quoted (uncomfirmed) at low-to-mid 30 grand. Too much for this kind of truck.
    Not too impressed overall - It does look okay sideways (I do not like edgy front end, but it's ok). GM will probably take 2-3 years (when people start taking them back by lemon laws) to get the seal right (if they ever get it air-tight). Some more advanced locks would be better - something that will pull the midgate to the gasket tightly, perhaps by threaded rods w/handles or something.
    Since this was a separate display of midgate, not the actual one in the vehicle, I do not know if it is the same in production truck. I hope not.

    On the separate topic - I liked the 2500HD Crew-Cab GMC and Chevy trucks - some had Duramax.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    I'm planning on attending 2/12 - this is one of the designated Chevy Truck Special Events and Chevy is supposed to come through with passes to see the Av up close.

    PAVELK: What color was the truck on display in Portland? Were the top boxes that you commented on in a display or on the truck?

    If GM can keep to their targeted pricing in between the Ext. Cab 'rado and the Sub, this truck could be a good buy (goodbye if they don't get the new parts right).

    Guru, it is definitely three or four tiers above the Sante Fe - no comparison.
  • Definitely the Av is several tiers above the Santa Fe. I totally agree with that. But here's my logic: If I can't get what I really want, then I might as well get the best value.

    My lease is up in June and I want to buy a 4X4 with 4 doors and at least a V6. Av is my 1st choice. However, 30k is my limit. I think this should be reasonable because an extended-cab Silverado 4X4 is in the 27-28k range with mid-level equipment. So, if GM says the price is 30k I'll buy one.

    Otherwise, my Chevy options are Tracker, Blazer or Tahoe. The Tahoe is way to $$$. The 4X4 Blazer runs 26-28k compared to 21k for a Santa Fe, and they're actually fairly similar feature wise (only major difference is Blazer has a real frame).

    Comparing the Tracker to a Santa Fe, the Santa Fe is bigger, has more hp, a much better warranty, more equipment and actually costs less. So, no reason to buy a Tracker.

    To sum up, I'm not saying or even trying to suggest that a Santa Fe in any way compares to an Avalanche. I really do want an Av, and I think that GM products are solid and reliable. As testimony to my opinion, My wife and I are leasing a 98 S-10 and we own a 99 S-10, a 97 Z-28 and an 87 Firebird (152k mi and still going). But, I find a Santa Fe to be a very tempting deal. Loads of equipment, decent size, strong V6, and even if parts fail on it the warranty is outstanding. Only major drawback is the terrible depreciation. Based on the high demand for the Santa Fe right now, I think its safe to say I'm not alone in thinking its a bargain.

    By the way, I was at the Detroit Auto Show a few weeks ago and there were 3 Avs. A pewter one, a white one (ugly color combo IMHO) and a weird yellow color one that was in full BaseCamp trim. All 3 were on platforms and you couldn't get close to any of them. I asked about pricing and was told anywhere between 25k and 35k.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    The 2002 Trailblazer in LS trim may meet your criteria, also. Guru, what were your impressions of this and the Envoy from the Detroit show? I think they will be tough to get in the first several months of production.

    The GM Experience gave views of just the Base Camp and the white Z71 at Detroit. Was the Pewter the same as what's been featured on the Chevy website or was it in Z71 trim also?
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    Have you owned a hyundai, or know anyone who does. If so, just ask them first. Just trying to save you from a bad experience.

    My wife had a 97 Sonata lease. (I would never let her actually BUY one). We live in the snow belt, and it was the worst winter vehicle I have ever experienced. You could never get the windows to Defog (especially with more than 1 person in it). Very cheap build quality (the doors are so thin, they shut with a PING sound instead of an expected THUD. Major road and wind noise too.

    And the worst part, with the 3 year lease, after the first year, it was worth LESS than the payout price. She tried to get rid of it, but couldn't, and had to ride out the whole 3 years. (I gave her 2 years of "I TOLD YOU SO" - I'm surprised she's still around).

    It doesn't matter how good of a deal it appears right now, the depreciation will kill you regardless. Remember, when looking at price differences, you are comparing a hyundai to a real car.

    I think a Tracker is crap too, but I'd take it over a Hyundai any day.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    You'll be surprised to discover how much BETTER their '01 models are.
  • Trailblazer is definitely a consideration. I had forgotten about it. I was impressed with this stretched version of the Blazer. Very roomy back seat and it seemed very solid. I'd like to test drive one to see how it accelerates and handles. I'm a little concerned about the fuel economy, but the featurs were really attractive. I liked the styling too.

    I didn't really look at the Envoy. I prefer the Chevy look over the GMCs.

    The pewter Av was a Z-71. It was a part of the "We are family" show GM had put together. I really liked the looks of it, so much so that if I do get one it will be either pewter or black. But, the closest anyone could get was 25 feet away. And it was elevated at least 10 feet. I couldn't even guarantee that it was a complete truck (other than the body which you could see).

    I know that a Hyundai will depreciate more quickly than a Chevy, but they end up in the same spot. 10 years down the road neither will be worth much (only a mere fraction of their original values). I'm taking a while to make my purchase because I want it to last a long time.

    I examined the Santa Fe very closely, and I was actually impressed with the build quality. The doors were heavy and closed with a deep thud. And again, that 10 year/100k engine & transmission warranty is very tempting. I've been reading the owners forums and many have only good things to say about it. They have gotten MUCH better since 97.

    As a fun fact, my brother has a 00 S-10 that had major engine trouble 6 months ago. The head cracked (defective from the factory, it happens) and it was in the shop at the dealer for almost a month. What did the Chevy dealer give to my brother as a loaner....a Hyundai Accent. So, I don't know anyone that owns one, but a month is a pretty good trial period.
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    ...is that it will be over the $30k threshold. You might be able to pick up a stripper for under 30, but not much.

    Hyundai improved - that's what they said in 1997 too, in comparing it to the old Pony rustbuckets they used to make. Sure it was an improvement, but its like saying that the Escort was an improvement over the Pinto.

    I guess its just a personal thing, but as the old saying goes - "burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice..." well, I for one, will never be burned by hyundai again.
  • The truck I saw was silver mettallic. Top boxes were on the truck.
    I took some pics of Av and new trailblazer as well - email me if interested at pavel@ece.pdx.edu and I can email them to you.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Was the Silver Av the one featured in pictures on the GM website? Is it the light pewter? There is a darker pewter that looks good - maybe the color Guru saw in Detroit. The ligther color (silver) just doesn't work with the gray cladding, IMO. I would like to see the flares rounded and smaller in a two tone color including the cladding - indigo over pewter would be my choice. I'll send my address for the pics.
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