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Acura TSX vs. Honda Civic Si Sedan

bs0bs0 Posts: 27
edited May 29 in Acura
Hi,

I have a small commute to work and looking for a fun yet practical car. I will be leasing as i will not be doing a lot of miles and we own our other car (rav4).

So, options are acura tsx (semi-cool & luxury) vs sedan si (very-cool & not so many luxuries)....Both i would get in manual (obviously Si is only MT).

What are peoples thought's on +ve/-ve of these?

thanks,
Brett
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  • bs0bs0 Posts: 27
    Oh, and another thing...i live in illinois....i gather that illinois does not have very good sales tax laws related to leasing....I am Australian, so haven't leased in this country before....Can you lease a car in another state (ie wisconsin) and save some $$?
  • If I've got the extra $10k, I'd go with the TSX. I test drove a TSX before I purchased a Civic EX. TSX very nice and roomy, leather heated seats, automatic climate control, blue tooth, heated windows...about the same power and gas mileage as a Civic Si (Si has slightly better gas mileage, TSX has slightly better horsepower, it's a trade off). TSX is probably built better with better materials as well (comes with longer warranty), Civic has a lot of plastic on the inside. TSX will be a lot quieter due to better material and sound proofing and a better sound system.

    Also, the TSX is just a rebrand of the European Honda Accord. TSX and Civics are completely different classes of car. Accord is a midsize sedan, TSX is luxury midsize, and Civic is compact

    If it makes a difference, Acura salesperson and customer service are much much much better than Honda sales/service.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I am also considering buying either the civic si sedan or the tsx. I do not think there is a price for the si sedan yet so the price difference might be a little closer. I own a 05 civic ex-se The dealer where I bought the civic also sells acuras. I am waiting for the 08 tsx since it will be a new design. Right now I am leaning towards that. A good friend is the service manager for acura so he told me he will try to get me a good price when I decide to buy but give me great service deals
  • Pricing for the Civic Si sedan is expected to be the same as the current Si Coupe, maybe 1k or 2k more. Eitherway, i don't think there will be a big change in price difference between the Si and TSX. It's expected to be released in December, dealers have already taken pre-orders since they will be tough to find. All of the Honda dealers i've gone to in Minnesota have taken pre-orders since September.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,900
    The Civic SI coupe is about a $2500 premium over the EX. I'd expect the same for the SI Sedan.
  • bs0bs0 Posts: 27
    if the si sedan is within $1k of the si coupe (worst case), there is still around a $5k price diff between the si sedan and the tsx invoice price (assuming i can get around invoice).

    All the points made about the tsx better build quality, quieter and more luxurious are steering me in that direction....although the price of the civic and the fact that it is 'more cool!' is tempting!!

    Any answers on the state question?
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,900
    Oh, and another thing...i live in illinois....i gather that illinois does not have very good sales tax laws related to leasing....I am Australian, so haven't leased in this country before....Can you lease a car in another state (ie wisconsin) and save some $$?

    Taxes are based on where the vehicle is registered - not where it is purchased/leased. So the answer is no.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    The honda dealer here in nc told me that the si sedan would be hard to find and that I should put a deposit on one. I am not in any real rush to get one especially without being able to try one. If I get to see one first maybe I will not like it. I am actually waiting for the 08 models anyway. I also do not like to be pressured.
  • They will be very different driving experiences. I recently purchased an Si Coupe and it is much more entertaining than the TSX is IF you like the snorty exhaust note and a much more in your face overall driving expereince. I've test driven a manual TSX and found it to be much more refined than the Si .... too refined for my taste. It had very smooth and subdued acceleration sounds while having nice tight handling - it was just too "subtle". The ride was much smoother and less "jiggly" than the Si. Now the Si sedan might be a tad less in your face than the coupe but I don't think they will domesticate it down (or up .. depending on your opinion) to the level of the TSX. The Si leaves a "YEEHAW grin" on my face and just begs to be driven hard the TSX left me with a "that's nice" smile on my face but you couldn't tell you were driving it hard (if that makes any sense).

    Go drive em...then pick your poison - the warranty on a Civic can be extended to match the Accura if that is a concern and you'd still be out less coin (assuming you can get the Si for MSRP which might be tough).
  • hey

    i just bought my Si this week and that's a really accurate description of the driving experience.. of course i'm still breaking it in, but when i DO get on it, it really can get kinda a mean and nasty.. for a little thing...
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Slightly better horsepower but the main difference in fuel ecomomy and torque lies in the engine size: 2.4 vs. 2.0 and 166lbs/ft and 139 lbst/ft respectively. Probably more get up and go and comfort in the tsx, amazing handling and nice rush after 6000rpms in the si. I say go si.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    very good description of the two cars- After owning a 91 Mazda MX-6 GT and a 1998 Eagle Talon TSI-AWD I think I now want something subdued. I did test drive both a si coupe and a tsx and guess what i did not wait for 08. I now own a Milano Red with Ebony int. TSX with Nav. 6 spd. Loving it so far but if i was younger the si would have been my choice. I still love to speed but have slowed down in my old age.
  • Glad your happy with your choice. Now for the fun part... so I just turned 44 am I older or younger that you nj2? My progression was from an 86 Prelude SI - 93 Ford Probe - and a more reserved but still fun to drive (TSX like) 99 VW Passat 5 speed. Now I've dialed down the refinement a couple notchs and dialed up the YEEHAW factor - it helped that my daughter now rides the bus to school so a four door is less important. To be honest part of my decision was based on the idea I might buy a less expensive car drive it for 4 years and then turn it over to my daughter (so I could get another new car :-). This plan may have one minor flaw in it because after my wife drove the Si once she said it's TOO fast and that our daughter is never going to drive it.

    If I hadn't purchased the Si my second choice would have been the Legacy GT which I personally think hits right between the TSX and the Si on the YEEHAW-REFINEMENT spectrum.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    You will have to guess how old I am- I will you one clue I can officially order from the senior menu at perkins as of this year. I tried to teach my daughter when she was younger how to drive manual transmission using the talon. She managed very well will starting out but got confused with trying to change the gears so she stuck with automatic. My tsx is now three days old and has over 1,000 miles on it. have a nice thanksgiving
  • 1000 miles in three days? I can tell your slowing down!!! :-)

    My wife drove a manual Fiat Spyder in highschool but it wasn't as quick as the Civic (or as safe). Her attitude might change over time but well see.

    Enjoy the holidays in you new car!
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I think I am slowing down. While driving on a local highway the other day a red civic si drove by and pulled in front of my car. it slowed down so I decided to pull into the left lane. As I was about to pass the si, it started to speed up. After they did that a few times and found out I did not want to race they gave up. There was a time not too long ago I would have loved the challenge but no longer. The car has only 1,600 miles on it in one week.
  • I'm not into racing - I do enjoy taking off ramps at higher than average rates and like to accelerate hard from stop lights but only up to my cruising speed which is about 5 over. Two nights ago I was out looking for some lonely stretchs of curvey country roads and found one with virtually no cross roads that runs next to an interstate for several miles it was quite fun.

    I haven't had anyone try to get me to race yet and I've had the car about a month. I thought I might get some attention from the younger modified tuner set but thankfully so far no one has tried to pick on me. That might be because of the new unmarked Dodge Charger State patrol that is working the main road on my commute to work. They had an article in the paper about that car a week ago... the trooper said he's had 4 people pull up along side him at stop lights and try to race him - I got a chuckle out of that!
  • After parking my TSX next to my mother's new 07 civic sedan in her garage over thanksgiving, I noticed that the civic has a longer wheelbase as well as a bit wider track (in the rear). Very interesting when you consider that the civic is a 'compact' and the TSX is considered 'midsize.' While turning you can definitely tell that in the civic, the front wheels are placed farther in front of the driver than in my TSX.

    I'm a 24 year old kid and chose a used TSX MT over a new Civic Si. I like that its a bit more refined, but is still as fun to drive as my my old del Sol VTEC. I disagree about the intake/exhaust sound comparison. The TSX has a sweet soundtrack, and IMO better than the Civic Si.
  • I'm just a tad older so my old rock and roll ears probably have lost some sensitivity that yours still posses. The exhaust sound in the Si is much louder than in the TSX that I drove. The TSX didn't make bad sounds just not loud as the Si in my opinion. Its up to each person to judge which they prefer. I just know I'm having a hard time getting really good mileage because I LOVE to wind the car out at least a couple times a day just to hear the great sounds over 6000 rpm!
  • It's probably a question of semantics, but I don't think the TSX is considered a mid-sized sedan, but more of a compact sedan. The USDM Accord or the Camry are true mid-size sedans.

    Using that distinction, it's not surprising that the TSX and Civic sedan are similar in size.
  • Late one night this past weekend I was giving a friend a ride in my Si and his comment was "man the ride smooths out when it's going 80 or 90" :-). He was impressed with the engine's ability to spin freely up to 8000. I only embarrassed myself once when I bounced off the rev limiter accelerating around a big right hand sweeper
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    The acura tsx is the euro accord, and i'm pretty sure its still a midsize.
  • Yes, anyone on the planet who's read anything about this car knows it's based on the Euro Accord.

    Here in America it is not a midsize sedan, it's a compact sedan.
  • I finally have a chance to buy a new car. My current vehicle is a Honda CRV that will soon be my daughter&#146;s first car. Now it&#146;s time for Dad to play. What would you buy, or recommend buying, if you were in the <$30k market and had the following criteria?

    Must be: 4 door, automatic, decent mpg, reliable, comfortable/confident at 80+ mph, and FUN to DRIVE.

    So far, I&#146;m considering the GTI (4dr), GLI, S40, TSX, WRX, Accord V6, and Legacy GT. Your advice, experience, or opinion would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    go_snail_go
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    If it were me, I'd go with the Accord or Legacy. The Automatic tranny is the killer here - it saps too much fun out of the smaller displacement cars.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,900
    I'd go with the Accord V6 or get the GTI or GLI with the DSG transmission. It'll shift faster in the auto mode and allow you to have some fun in the Tiptronic mode.

    But keep in mind, it's a VW. If you want stellar reliability, get the Accord. If you want some character and soul, get the VW.
  • I'd go Legacy GT over the Accord V6 - I think it's more fun to drive (more soul). I looked long and hard at an Accord coupe 6 speed last year and I just didn't like it even as much as the Legacy GT. I'd stay away from VW and Volvo but only because of my experience with my 99 Passat. I loved to drive that car but it just had too many things go wrong. Another car you might add to your list is the Accura TSX but or the new Mitsubishi Lancer Evo which is supposed to come out early in 07. But of the cars you listed I'd lean towards the Legacy GT. It has been the ONLY auto equiped car I would consider so far. I ended up buying a Civic Si Coupe in October so I'm regressing I guess (This Dad is having FUN ;-) but I still might go for the Legacy GT when the body is refreshed next year.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    How do you know this? Edmunds considers it a midsize (although they consider the rl a midsize to so i guess that doesn't mean much), but its porportions are more akin to the accord than the civic. Its not as long but its definetely a little bigger than the civic. Just because its brought to the us doesn't mean that it changes from midsize to compact. I know this could be argued over greatly, especially when the last time i checked, the ford mustang is considered a compact too, so if thats what ford says whatever; BUT, i'm pretty sure acura/honda considers their TSX a midsize.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,900
    I know this could be argued over greatly, especially when the last time i checked, the ford mustang is considered a compact too, so if thats what ford says whatever; BUT, i'm pretty sure acura/honda considers their TSX a midsize.

    The classification sizes are not determined by the manufacturer. It's the EPA that detemines the size based on interior volume.
  • It's probably as much my opinion as anything. Who'd argue that the TSX, RL and Accord are in the same size class? Both the RL and Accord are bigger enough than the TSX for me to make a distinction, so I call the TSX a "compact" sedan. Is it small? No, but it's smaller than most of the sedans we call mid-sized in America.

    The Mustang is a coupe, so I'm not even sure why that was mentioned.
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