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Acura TSX vs. Honda Civic Si Sedan

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  • I'd go with the Accord V6 or get the GTI or GLI with the DSG transmission. It'll shift faster in the auto mode and allow you to have some fun in the Tiptronic mode.

    But keep in mind, it's a VW. If you want stellar reliability, get the Accord. If you want some character and soul, get the VW.


    The GLI looks like a real hoot. If it wasn't for VW's perceived lack of reliability, I'd seriously consider this as my next car. Hopefully, they've gotten things ironed out on this front.
  • xmontxxmontx Posts: 18
    I bought the 2007 civic si coupe. I love the car. Trying to compare the 2 different style cars is difficult. Obviously, TSX is at least $8-$10k more than the SI. Then you have to look at the class of each car. Definitely different; TSX true sedan type which can be compared easier to the Honda accord like one of the users had stated and the Civic SI is a compact car that is compared to the discontinued RSX. Although if money was not the issue. I would go for the civic SI sedan. It's more enjoyable to drive. And since you're not driving much from and to work, why not have fun in a tasteful, more energetic vehicle. It's a racing car in my opinion. It's made for harsh punishments without damage to the car. But if you're worried about "I'm too old looking to drive the SI", then I guess you can go with the TSX. I driven the TSX. No doubt it's a nice car. I wouldn't say it was the most fun car to drive. But it's classy, quiet and smooth.

    It comes down to the battle of: "Fun vs. Conservative"

    Both reliable cars too. Besides the interior plastic in the civic SI, it's just born to punish the road and once you hit the vtec, it screams for more. :-p
  • k5ldbk5ldb Posts: 50
    If it makes a difference, Acura salesperson and customer service are much much much better than Honda sales/service.

    Perhaps this is true as a generality however not as an absolute. Robert Doolittle, the internet manager for Gillman Honda in Houston, is one of the best. He not only takes good care of you during the sale but follows up afterward to be sure everything is good. I've dealt with him for over a decade now and have never been disappointed. As long as he's in the business I'll be calling on him when I want a Honda product.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I think it depends on the dealer not the brand of car. the dealer i go to is excellant-sales and service-Vinart dealerships- they sell and service both hondas and acura along with hyundais and suzuki- I would give names but I will abide by the rules. We have bought numerous cars from this dealership over the years and never have been disappointed. If fact we moved 700 miles away but still deal with them.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I agree, it depends on the individual dealership, not the brand. Manufacturers do not control the attitudes of those who are actually selling the cars. Positive and negative experiences with any brand you can name are reported all over these forums. It's all up to the person who runs the individual dealership, not the brand name the store carries.

    I hope everyone will drop by our Dealer Ratings & Reviews feature and rate any and all shops you've dealt with, either for sales or service (or both). Help out your fellow community members by recording your experiences under the dealership's name.

    And btw nj2pa2nc, I appreciate your saying you will abide by the rules, but naming a dealership in a posting is not a problem. We welcome your feedback.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    what I meant was even though I could recommend different people that work at Vinart dealerships in PA I will not even though most of them from sales manager, sales, finance service manager, service advisors and even the techs are great. Yes there are a few that work there that I would not deal with. I did post in the dealer ratings. Thanks for your comments
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    actually the tsx and civic are quite similar, especially since the si comes in a sedan form. (comparing it to the rsx is kinda off in this regard too, sinc the rsx is technically a hatchback.)

    so if you were to compare a tsx to a si sedan, you almost have the same type of car: makes lots of hp for the engine size, high revving, fwd, handles well, excellent shifter.

    they are more alike than you think.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Actually, the similarities are only skin deep. The TSX is longer, wider, and has more interior passenger space than the Civic.

    The TSX also has a larger, more powerful engine that makes more usable power lower in the rev range (25 more lb ft of torque at 1600 lower RPM).

    The TSX also includes many features that the Civic doesn't have, such as heated leather seats, auto climate control, heated exterior mirrors, fog lights, auto-dim rearview mirror, homelink, HID headlights, and upscale interior trim materials.

    Most importantly though, the TSX has a superior double wishbone front suspension while the Civic makes due with McPherson struts up front. The TSX is also built a larger, more refined midsize car platform, so it is quieter, more comfortable, and has a more refined driveline (vibration, harshness, feedback).

    The Civic is sportier thanks to it's lighter weight, but overall, the TSX is a lot more car. Whether it's worth the additional $7,000 is up to the individual.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I own a tsx but was considering getting the civic si sedan. the si sedan was not out yet so i bought the tsx-no regrets. love the way honda-acura shifts-very smooth. My brother, who owns an 07 volvo s-80 loved my tsx when I let him drive it. he said he wants MT in his next car.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    actually, everything you mentioned (interior materials, being quiter, fog lights and dimming mirrors) are whats sking deep.

    the fact that the si puts up better numbers with its macphersons says a lot too.

    i was just basically saying that they are almost the same car in their respecive segments: lightweight, high revving, nice interiors, and good handlers.

    I wasn't saying they are the same car, as i know they are on different platforms and that there is an obvious difference between the k20 and k24.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    The fact that the si puts up better number says it weighs less.

    But yes, I agree. All Honda's from the TSX to the S2000 share that light, nimble, high-revving character - that playful willingness to dance and their slick, refined control feedback.

    I've always loved the way Honda's feel below 8/10ths - they're very satisfying to drive.
  • iomaticiomatic Posts: 48
    I know you're not really bashing on the Si, but you can also rephrase what you've said in yet another subjective way:

    Actually, the similarities are only skin deep. The TSX is a heftier car: longer, wider, and heavier by 400lbs.; but has more interior passenger space than the Civic.

    The TSX also has a larger, slightly more powerful engine that makes more usable power lower in the rev range (25 more lb ft of torque at 1600 lower RPM) to carry all that extra weight. Yet the Si has 1 ft-lb. more torque to weight, thus negating the TSX's slight power advantage.

    Most importantly though, the TSX has a double wishbone front suspension while the Civic has sports-oriented McPherson struts up front, much like other performance sports-compacts like the BMW 3-series, and Porsches. The TSX is also built a larger, more refined midsize car platform, so it is quieter, more comfortable, and has a more refined driveline (vibration, harshness, feedback)-- unless of course you're a sports-compact enthusiast who needs immediate road feedback, and the superior cornering and handling abilities of the Si.

    The Civic is sportier thanks to its lighter weight, and better handling, but overall, the TSX has a lot more features for a larger car. Whether it's worth the additional $7,000 is up to the individual.

    Thought I might inject another perspective. :)
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Good points (except for citing BMW and Porsche's continued use of the antiquated and inferior McPherson Strut Suspension). No, I'm not bashing the Civic - I think it's a great car.

    If you have followed the various TSX related forums for any period of time, you would know that people often drop in to comment that the TSX is simply a civic with leather seats, or some other similar nonsense.

    While that's not the case here, it was a good opportunity for me to point out how they are completely different cars, with a different mission and demographic - and point out the reasons why the TSX costs $7,000 more than the Civic Si.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    they may cater to a different demographic, but they have a lot of similarities with regards to how they perform in that demographic. (good handling, high revving, good road feel, nice interior.)

    I don't know why people think the tsx is just a leather clad civic though...if anything its just a european accord. But the civic and it are on a different chassis.

    but they are similiar in their respective segments.
  • nwalbertnwalbert Posts: 49
    The fourth paragraph sort of takes away any credibility this post may have had.

    The bottom line is that these two vehicles are going to appeal to two completely different markets, and this offer completely different feature sets at different price points.

    Trying to determine which is "better" is silly, unless you narrow it to specific tasks. The TSX is better at driving around town, or transporting clients. The Si is probably better at some things, although nothing really comes to mind right now.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    The Si is probably better at some things, although nothing really comes to mind right now.

    handling? fuel economy? lower cost to own? cheaper to buy?

    ;)
  • gdoctsx1gdoctsx1 Posts: 60
    I drive an O6', TSX/wnav, aspec ebony finish split 5 spoke. As much as I love the Civic Si, in Canada it is called the Acura CSX (which also has a type S). I've driven the Type S Acura CSX (ala 4 door civic Si) and loved it. The 150Hp version of the Acura CSX felt very weak when I drove it. However, as quick as the Type S feels after 5000rpm, I found the road noise and road feel to harsh for my tastes. Ya, it handles well, but getting back in my TSX afterwards, there is a very big difference in luxury, quietness, smootheness of the engine and in the Acura CSX, I had a sore [non-permissible content removed] after about 45 minutes of driving. The TSX has good pull from 3000rpm upward, felt like more usable power to me (with a very cool throaty growl around 4000rpm). The Civic Si/CSX was a blast after 5000rpm, but the screaming engine was a bit too much for me for everyday driving. Both great cars, but drive them back to back, it's luxury, sporty and smoothe vs firm riding, street racer fury. Both fun...just depends what you're into.
  • iomaticiomatic Posts: 48
    The fourth paragraph sort of takes away any credibility this post may have had.

    In what way? Keep in mind I was only rewriting parts of the earlier post to counterpoint somewhat subjective statements, and injecting my own brand of subjectivity. There's no credibility to be had, either way.

    :P

    They are two different cars for different tastes.

    :)
  • I considered a Civic SI myself, but my wife did not warm up to it. We got the TSX.

    I felt that a SI would be close in nature to my 89 Corolla GTS that I used to have. However, the TSX is a nice road car. I still have my xB.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    The Civic Si is substantially cheaper too! I would imagine a bit more fun. Though the TSX is geared more for luxury sedan, the Si is geared more for sport appeal. Really 2 different types of cars.

    So in a way, you got a more fun car for a cheaper price. Still a Honda.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    when I was in the processs of looking for a new car-the si did not have the sedan yet. I did not want a car with 2 doors but I wanted one with 6MT. I had a 05 civic at that time and was very unhappy with it. I bought the tsx and never have regretted it-an excellent car. It is now 3 years old and has passed the 95,000 mile mark.
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