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Toyota Yaris: Features/Changes I'd Like to See

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  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    What was Toyota thinking? Hopefully they'll come to their senses and make that available for the '08 model. A tach would be nice too.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Sorry, there are some features I find essential on cars in this class. One is side bags and curtains. The Accent has them standard. They are optional on the Yaris--when you can find them. My biggest turn-off on the Yaris is that I've had two dealers tell me that cars with side bags/curtains and ABS are almost non-existant--they just aren't getting any in.

    Another feature I think is important is a 60/40 split folding seat. I've used that feature many times over the years. It's extra on the Yaris hatch. So are other features I find useful such as a rear window defroster (actually that one is really important to me), rear wiper, tachometer (is that even available on the Yaris hatch with a stick??), driver's seat height adjuster (not available on the Yaris hatch), and variable intermittant wipers (just used that feature today).

    A 2007 Yaris hatch with A/C, 4-speaker CD stereo, side airbags, 60/40 rear seat, rear defroster, and rear wiper is $13,610 MSRP (also TMV). An Accent GS with the same equipment (except a 6-speaker stereo) is $12,345 MSRP and $12,039 TMV ($11,769 invoice). I think $1600 less plus getting the height adjuster, tach, variable wipers, and even a rear spoiler ($435 extra on the Yaris) is a pretty good deal. Oh, plus the 10-year warranty of course. But I wouldn't get an Accent GS anyway. I'd go for the SE with ABS, power package, sport suspension, and 16" alloys standard. :)

    I did notice you are now comparing the TMVs of the cars vs. MSRP for the Yaris and invoice for the other car, to determine comparative value. That's a good idea, otherwise the Yaris is at an even bigger disadvantage.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Two features I find very important these days also are factory cruise control and an aux audio input. The most important things to me in this class is a slick manual shifter and 4 doors. The Accent sedan had neither feature and a lousy manual shifter. Thus the Yaris or Fit are still on my list.

    I too can't understand how hard it is to find a manual transmission Yaris sedan with the Airbag and power package. There are still zero in the Southeast Region.
  • tjw1308tjw1308 Posts: 296
    In fairness, the Yaris doesn't have factory cruise either.

    The aux input works well though, and the transmission feels a little "slicker" to me too :) .

    If you can find one at a decent price, the Fit may be a good option for what you're looking for.

    That's a big "If" though lol...

    T
  • my grandparents had cruise in there cars so I guess it goes suit a certain sector of society. I myself do not care for it.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Yes, people who drive on highways and want to stay at a constant speed without effort.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    I prefer to have cruise on my cars too, but it's not a deal-breaker because I need it only about 3-4 times a year. Same with the aux input--I'd like to have one, but there are inexpensive aftermarket options to allow me to connect an iPod, for example, to any stereo.

    I'd love a slick manual shifter, ala Accord or Mazda3, but IMO none of the current low-end cars has one. The Fit's is too notchy, the Versa's is too clunky, and the Yaris' is too rare--I haven't even been able to find one to test drive. But based on reviews such as C/D's, it appears the Yaris' stick is OK but not great. Same for the Accent's. At least Hyundai offers a short-throw shifter kit through dealers, so it would be covered under the new car warranty.
  • tjw1308tjw1308 Posts: 296
    I'd say the Versa's is pretty close to the Yaris in terms of feel. If you thought the Versa's was clunky I can almost guarantee you wouldn't like the Yaris's anyway.

    I'm thinking about the quick shift kit (which Toyota offers too btw), but want someone else to try it on their baby first :P

    T
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    I disagree about the shifter. The Fit is excellent, and the Yaris is good. The Versa is average. All of the reviews I have seen have also complained about the Hyundai/Kia shifter being below average; none complained about the auto.

    Here is the Car and Driver quote, "like the Suzuki, the Hyundai was hobbled by a sloppy shifter." Not comparable to the Yaris, Fit, or even to the Versa by their standards or mine.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    I was very surprised by the Fit's shifter. From reading reports like the C/D comparo, I expected it to be the usual excellent Honda stick shift. I was disappointed that it was very notchy, such that it was not fun to use. I actually preferred the automatic Fit. The Versa's shifter emitted a loud "clunk" on each shift, which was intolerable to me. It could have been a defect, but I have no way of knowing. I would like to try the Yaris' stick but haven't been able to find one to test.

    The funny thing was, I expected the Accent's shifter to be terrible based on the reviews like C/D's. But I didn't think it was bad at all. It wasn't crisp like the Fit's, but it wasn't notchy or loud either, and the clutch was light and a pleasure to use. The main problem with it is it's a tall shifter. Hence the short-throw kit would be a check-off for me.

    What did you think of the Accent's stick when you drove it?
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Maybe it is just preference. I thought the Fit was fun: short throws and slightly notchy. The Yaris was a little vanilla, but smooth and easy. The Accent felt kind of loose and long throws.

    I use my cruise multiple times a day and I like factory versions so maybe a Hyundai in the future, but not this go round.
  • 1. Improved suspension system. The current suspension too much emphasizes ride quality over handling, which results in wallowy high speed handling. :surprise:

    2. Better transmissions. Toyota should either put in a five-speed or the CVT from the JDM Toyota Vitz for its automatic transmission.

    3. Redesigned instrument panel. The current instrument panel is too small and difficult to read--it needs to be bigger so you can read the gauges quickly.
  • "1. Improved suspension system. The current suspension too much emphasizes ride quality over handling, which results in wallowy high speed handling."
    They do offer an upgraded suspension package as an option on the "Build Your Toyota" website. Of course, since it's an "option," if you wanted to have it you would probably have to actually "build your Toyota" yourself. By the time you received it from the factory the rest of us would be speeding around in magnetic powered speedsters like the Jetsons.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Toyota fell behind this year, introducing 2 totally redesigned models (Yaris and RAV4) that still use the outdated 4-speed auto. I agree this is unacceptable, and a good reason not to buy either. It is an even grosser omission in the RAV, since that model uses the Camry powertrain which already has a 5-speed auto. The result? The 4-cyl 4WD makes LESS highway mpgs than the darn V-6 with 100 more hp!!

    "3. Redesigned instrument panel. The current instrument panel is too small and difficult to read--it needs to be bigger so you can read the gauges quickly."

    Gauges? What gauges? Yaris hardly has any, except a speedo. On the Optitron dash, the speedo is huge - I have no complaint with visibility of that thing, it takes up half the dash.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Does the base Yaris sedan have the Optitron gauges? I had trouble reading the speedo on the two Yaris sedans I drove. The numbers seemed pretty small, especially given the distance from the driver. Reading the speed at a glance was quite difficult for me. This was in daylight.
  • I would like to see an S model on the liftback. There is an S model sedan. Also, they need to made the tach standard, at least on the manual 5 speed transmission.
    I own a 5 speed liftback, and love the car!
  • "Does the base Yaris sedan have the Optitron gauges? I had trouble reading the speedo on the two Yaris sedans I drove. The numbers seemed pretty small, especially given the distance from the driver. Reading the speed at a glance was quite difficult for me. This was in daylight."

    Do you own a Yaris? Are you seriously considering purchasing one? I have driven both the sedan and hatchback and had no problem reading either speedometer. It looks great and is easy to read on both--day and night. Incidentally, this is the "hatchback" forum in case you overlooked that.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Do I need to own a Yaris to post in this discussion? I wasn't aware of that. I was seriously considering the Yaris for my next new car, until I took those two test drives. Those helped rule out the Yaris for me. Shows how important test drives are. One person may have no trouble at all reading the gauges, but they could be a problem for someone else.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    factory sunroof as an option, tach standard in all models (and while you're at it, how about a coolant temp gauge too?! ;-)), and factory cruise available.

    Oh yeah, and keyless entry included if you ante up for the power package.

    Oh yeah, and some kind of sport package that includes larger rims and a rear sway bar. Hey, the sport package could come with the Corolla's engine too........but I guess now I'm getting carried away.

    :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Ditto on wanting to see cruise control. I'd love a tach as well. Unfortunately, it seems like you don't get one in most cars if they're automatic.
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