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Changes You'd Like To See in the Subaru Forester



  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Lower CG will give it a better rollover score, it's all about the scores.

  • kavoomkavoom Posts: 181
    I think suby's are or were the only "suv" (intentional small case to pre-empt that argument hopefully) that did/does NOT require the rollover sticker right in front of your face presently. I can't be sure about the Tribeca though...

    These "rollover" "lower center of gravity" arguments would be great for other vehicles, but that has always been one of Suby's best features...
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Do the others in the classes against the Forester and Outback have rollover stickers? Not sure though.

    Heck I'm not even sure my Armada has that sticker in it, I'll have to check it next time I'm in it.

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    I seem to recall that they use a rather simplistic mathematical equation to determine the CG and accompanying rollover score. Something like they don't actually determine the CG but just estimate it based on HT/WT/Ground Clerance/etc. Thus it doesn't take into account the boxer engine's lower CG nor would it care what type of suspension was used.

    I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will set me straight :)

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    No, I think you're correct Frank.

  • tazerelitazereli Posts: 241
    Great, now Frank gets that huge ego boost hes always wanted with that double confirmation. LOL.

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  • wybird1wybird1 Posts: 2
    I'd like to see the ground clearance increase for those of us who live on dirt roads with ruts.

    A little more knee room for tall drivers.

    Head rests that tilt for long commutes.

    Rear seats that recline a little more.
  • dstew1dstew1 Posts: 275
    How about rear seats that recline PERIOD? ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Head rests that tilt for long commutes.

    Rear seats that recline a little more.

    Believe it or not my 1998 model has both.

    The rear seats recline almost all the way. The rear head rests also tilt. And they are interchangeable with the fronts, so I swapped them out and have tilting head rests. :shades:
  • djensondjenson Posts: 2
    Get rid of the cheap fabric seats... stand by the warranty for wear for 36000. The seats are fraying on the seams in even new cars and Subaru won't admit it is a quality control problem and replace with something more durable. The light color interior is terrible for showing dirt though the car is excellent driving in snow & mud.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Been following these forums for a long time, and yours are the first "worn" seats I've heard of.

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    I remember there was an issue with the 1st gen Forester regarding the fabric on doors that would show wear from drivers who rode with their arms on the window sill.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Back then Ed used to complain. Ironically, it was the higher trim line.
  • I've had a Forester XT Sport (automatic, with VDC) for a little over a year now. Very reliable, but sometimes it's the little things that get to you:

    1) This model has the "high-end" audio system (MP3-capable), but the two front door speakers are simply terrible. When the engine is on, and at normal volume, they vibrate with the panel with such distortion that it is impossible to listen to some music. We also have a 2005 Volvo S40 T5 with a good audio system, and, while it's not MP3-capable, CD's and radio music sounds GREAT. Two Subaru dealer service depts claim they cannot hear the problem, and now the warranty on the audio system is close to expiring. This problem really strengthens the image of Subarus as being (and sounding) "tinny""! :P

    2) I got the heavy duty floor mats with this XT Sport. The driver's mat has a hook that is supposed to prevent the mat from sliding up under the pedals, but, because this mat is so thick, it quickly slips up and off the hook. One dealer's service guy actually thought there was a different hook available for this mat, so, at no charge to me, he ordered and installed it: it was the exact same hook!! If anyone knows a homemade solution to securing the mat to the hook, I'm listening. :confuse:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I can't disagree.

    I replace the base speakers on my Forester with premium sound speakers, and they are only slightly less bad. To be fair that was a 1998 model.

    The pin that holds my floor mat in place broke off the first year I owned the vehicle. I never bothered to replace it.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Subaru certainly isn't known for it's audio systems. The base speakers are pathetic paper cones and while the upgraded ones are somewhat better construction, they're hardly audiophile quality. However, I've got the upgraded audio system and I have to crank it up pretty high to get the speakers vibrating in the door panels :confuse:

    Does the hook go all the way into your floor mat? If so, you'd think that it would provide enough resistance to prevent the mat from sliding. I've never had a problem with the standard mats sliding.

  • Frank,
    When I swapped it in for a while, the standard mat did not slide at all. The heavy duty mat is much thicker, and the hook is too short to hold it securely. Just wish someone at Subaru had thought this through to where they either: a) re-worked the hole in the mat so the original hook could hold it, or b) offered a bigger hook. :(
  • Now that I have seen and crawled all over the 09 Forester I find that I like it very much, however I am very disappointed that they didn't include a 5 speed automatic in the changes. This would allow lower RPMs at highway speeds. I am not a CVT fan.

    So my first wish would be the transmission. My second wish would be for them to make changes to the 3.0 H6 to allow it to run on regular fuel without compromise, and offer it on the Forester. Some of the changes made to the H6 for the Tribeca, like the cooling system, and valve actuation system, should be easily transferred to the 3.0, and leave it at 3.0 for a good balance of economy and performance.

    I would most likely buy a new Forester if it had the transmission, but would definitely buy one if it had the trans and the H6.

    If I got a 3rd wish, I would like to see the AWD bias for the automatic system changed to the 45/55 as is in the Tribeca.

    The more I think about what I have said I guess what I am asking for is a slightly smaller, more economical Tribeca type Forester.
  • robm2robm2 Posts: 53
    A 5th gear does not mean a higher highway gear. More often than not, it means closer gear ratios with about the same final gear ratio.

    At 110 km/h, (~70 mph), the 4EAT is still well below 3000 rpm, (I think it's around 2400 or 2600 ... can't remember for sure).

    I can tell you that the 4th gear in the 4EAT is a lower ratio (0.694) compared to the 5MT (0.738), and compared to the 6MT (0.756). Lower ratio means lower RPM at highway speed.

    More gears ≠ better highway mileage
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