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2009 Mazda6

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  • I have to respond to the question of the Mazda6's reliability.

    You have to be careful just because you have been lucky with your own Mazda6 doesn't mean that that is the general experience of everyone with a Mazda6. I trust CR since they ask a lot of people questions who have bought the car.

    My experience with my Mazda6 2003 with 62,000 miles on it has been:-

    replaced 3 blower fans.
    replaced battery.
    replaced engine mount.
    replaced throttle body.
    fixed rattles (it still rattles)
    replaced over head visor.
    replaced fuel gauge.
    replaced transmission @ 58,000 miles.
    replaced 3 engine coils.

    Oh did I mention 5 recalls.

    Mazda6 reliable not, fun to drive, yes.

    I just thought a reality check was needed here in this discussion. Trust CR not a few users who have been lucky enought not to have had problems.
  • The prime reason I don't trust CR is they actually are quite biased based on brand.

    If you look up the reliability on a 2003 Accord for instance, the v6 has well below average ratings on it's transmission and one other component related to the drivetrain (don't have it right in front of me, but I'll get it when I'm at work tomorrow). Most of the other items are well above average.

    Then if you look up a CX-9, one component rates Average, and the stereo rates well below average. Everything else is above average or well above ave.

    Guess how CR rates the two? Oh, that's right, the accord with a 2 drivetrain issues rates above average in reliability. The CX-9 rates below ave. Hmm. Odd. So as far as reliability is concerned, Stereo > Transmission?
  • I understand that you have had some issues with your car, that doesn't mean Mazda builds unreliable products. Check the Camry and Accord boards, you will find people who have problems with their cars as well. I own a '06 Dodge Charger RT and haven't had a problem the 3 years I have owned it. Yet CR has stated for a good while the Charger RT was below normal in reliability. The problem is the people with problems are the people who will report back to the surveys stating the problems they've had, while the owners who haven't had a problem won't bother since they have nothing to complain about ;) . I would never use a magazine to make my final decision on a car.
    A car is a machine and none can be built exactly the same. When you purchase the car you are also taking a gamble on the reliability of the car you just drove off the lot, no matter the manufacturer. There is a reason cars come with a warranty and you may or may never have to use it.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    I trust CR since they ask a lot of people questions who have bought the car.

    Only if they are subscribers to Consumer Reports.

    Anyone know if the 17" wheels on 2009 Mazda6 will fit on 07 Mazda6 i?
  • I don't own mazda 6 but I do own 2003 MPV with 81k miles. At 60k it experienced very rough idle becoming worse over time - cause damaged vacum house. At 70k miles it refused to start - cause seized idle speed control valve. The same problem resurfaced at 79k. Original battery died after 3 years; second, auto zone battery died after 20 months. Right now I have hard to trace coolant leak. For comparison our 2000 honda accord lx 4 cyl 5 speed with 220k miles got me stranded only twice; battery first time, broken after market timing belt installed at 105k miles broke at 190k. It cost me $900 to fix the damage. Mazda is not bad but I do believe honda reliability is notch higher.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    Only if they are subscribers to Consumer Reports

    So what? Is there sample model too small or does their data collection and analysis methods produce skewed or incorrect results? Can you prove it or is this just a gut feeling? Are Consumer Report readers proven to be less reliable or truthful than any other person off the street?

    I certainly don't swear by CR but fail to understand why some are so suspicious of their results.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    Retired people have a lot of time on their hands and would certainly take the time the time to fill out surveys as well as to get minor things fixed. I don't believe they are sampled as much because the manufacturers are not as interested in that demographic.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I think he was just making a point that every manufacturer can produce a problem car which is kind of what you're saying. I have almost 18000 on an 07 Mazda6 I4 and have only had one tailpipe hanger adjustment in 13 months beside oil changes etc. But will I sit here and swear that Mazda6s or Mazdas are absolutely trouble free.....heck no. Now if I had owned 5-10 Mazdas and they had all been trouble free or trouble prone I would be commenting big time---one way or the other.

    The problem is the people with problems are the people who will report back to the surveys stating the problems they've had, while the owners who haven't had a problem won't bother since they have nothing to complain about

    I agree with you. However, if you asked 100 Charger owners and 100 Mazda owners if they had problems and 50 Charger complainers were noted and only 20 Mazda complainers were noted, couldn't you assume that there were more problems with Chargers. On the reverse according to your theory, only 50 Charger owners were problems free and kept silent....while 80 Mazda owners were problem free. That's why large sample are done. They don't just sit back and see how many complainers pop up.

    Believe me, companies and politicians pay big bucks for surveys and they wouldn't if they weren't valid and didn't provide a good return on investment.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    What engine did you have? The 03-04 3.0L V6 did have throttle body issues.
  • gfogfo Posts: 9
    Hello, does anyone know if you can combine the private launch bonus cash of $1,000 with the S plan? The terms and conditions reads "The private launch bonus cash purchase incentive program cannot be combined with any other owner loyalty or private incentives but can be combined with other public offers including but not limited to customer cash back, finance and apr incentives/offers." Thanks.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    A biased sample is a statistical sample of a population in which some members of the population are less likely to be included than others. If the bias makes estimation of population parameters impossible, the sample is a non-probability sample.

    So what? Is there sample model too small or does their data collection and analysis methods produce skewed or incorrect results? Can you prove it or is this just a gut feeling? Are Consumer Report readers proven to be less reliable or truthful than any other person off the street?

    A biased sample causes problems because any statistic computed from that sample has the potential to be consistently erroneous.

    If entire segments of the population are excluded from a sample, then there are no adjustments that can produce estimates that are representative of the entire population.

    By only selecting from CR subscribers there is an inherent bias. Only the demographic represents subscribers is utilized. The number of responses for some vehicle models is not statistically large enough to produce accurate results.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    The number of responses for some vehicle models is not statistically large enough to produce accurate results.

    If there aren't enough responses for a specific model, CR doesn't publish results for that model.
  • My car is the V6 with all options. I still love the car. But the problems with my car are directly related to Mazda using poor quality parts and components. Shame on you Mazda, I don't know if I can trust that brand again. The car rental company I went with confirmed my suspicions and told me that Mazda are amongst the worst quality cars they have. Oh and I forgot to mention the rust on the body and the leather flaking off the steering wheel (after 2 years)
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    then let me say this about the other cars in the family:

    2005 Honda odyssey:
    replaced both lower control arms in warranty. Steering still vibrates at 70 mph, after changing over 3 sets of tires, and numerous balancing.
    Lexus rx300:
    I had to fight with the great Toyota motor company to fix silencer vibration so bad that it would be booming and irritating at idle speeds. For 6 months they refused to fix it since there was nothing broken to fix. I had to threaten to take them to court for them to fix it.
    Every now and them all the lights(VSC, TCS, check engine, etc) on the dash will start blinking. Will go away after 24 hrs. No idea what is causing it yet.
    Mazda6: u r right about the recalls. But that was not because it was unreliable. Not in my case. Reliable in my case means that the car does leave me stranded in the middle of the road or does not have any safety related issues.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    Oh and I forgot to mention the rust on the body

    There is no frigging rust on the body. What everybody thought as rust was nothing but soapy lubricant changing color when exposed to the weather :sick:
  • The simple fact of the matter is, as someone else pointed out earlier, other than a few outliers brandwise, the difference between a very reliable car, and a very unreliable car are often negligible to people who actually know cars. But to the public at large, they see the stats and buy based on it.

    The key to any car, at all, is to keep the car maintained properly, do the proper maintenance on it and address any problems it does develop quickly so that they don't become bigger issues. This makes some people mad because they don't understand why they have to replace an air filter or get their transmission flushed. Tough crap. It's a highly complex machine with thousands and thousands of parts. It's gonna have maintenance.
  • Yes, the $1K Private Launch Bonus Cash can be used with S-Plan. I just used it last night when I pick up a Silver 09 Mazda6i GT w/Navi. There was also an additional $400 rebate for S-Plan users, so I received $1400 off in all.
  • gfogfo Posts: 9
    Thanks Crash51 - How did you get the additional $400 rebate, was that something the dealer offered as part of the S-Plan?
  • Someone on this forum mentioned that there was an additional rebate to S-Plan buyers. I asked my salesperson about it, he asked his sales manager, and he came back to me and said yes, there is a $400 rebate.
  • Just like to add, I did have the transmission flushed a year before it failed.

    Followed all the maintenance as suggested by the dealer.

    Crap in, crap out.

    This car has given me more problems that all my previous cars combined, which were all fords. Sorry if that upsets people with emotional feelings towards their car.
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