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2009 Mazda6

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  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The first year or two were a little shaky for the Mazda6, especially the V6. The 4-cyl's have been great.

    What year is your Mazda6?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    A biased sample is a statistical sample of a population in which some members of the population are less likely to be included than others

    Are the subscribers to CR not representative of the population at large? Is there some trait or demographic that is inherant to CR subscribers?

    I understand what you're saying but doesn't any survey automatically exclude some members of a population either by the number of surveys sent or by the "types" of people that respond?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    Just read an article on how Chrysler is eaking out more MPG on it's engines and was kind of amazed at the following:

    Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger (RWD)
    2009: 370 hp, 398 pounds-feet of torque, 16/24 mpg city/highway
    2008: 340 hp, 390 pounds-feet, 15/23


    I'm not a fan of Chrysler products but doesn't it seem like the 2009 Mazda6, which probably weighs less, should get better MPG with a V6 and 272hp. It's rated at 17/25. That's a lousy 1 mpg better. What gives?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Then I guess GM, Nissan and Ford are behind the ball too.

    Remember, those are big displacement engines that run at very very low RPM's at cruising speeds. They typically run at 1,500 RPM's at 65-70mph.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008

    This car has given me more problems that all my previous cars combined, which were all fords. Sorry if that upsets people with emotional feelings towards their car.


    I am sure u do realize that this 2003-2008 Mazda6s (v6) was made by Ford in the USA by the UAW. The v6 engine is also a pure Ford block with the head tuned by Mazda to make it peppy / rev happy.

    and when you say your transmission failed, did it truly fail or was it just misbehaving every now and then?

    And just an FYI, the toyota Camry powertrain for the new Camry v6 was even worse as it would rev the engine and slam into gears. But hey, it is a toyota after all :sick:
  • zar1zar1 Posts: 24
    I've seen the posts indicating either a $400 or a $500 rebate available with the Mazda S Plan on the '09 6 (separate from Loyalty or other Customer Incentives) but when I asked 3 different Sales Managers in Southern California they all said that there isn't currently anything like that available. Does anyone know if this offer varies in different parts of the country or is it "National?"
  • My Mazda is 2004. It took them until 2007 model to get an average rating in CR.

    I know people with Nissans and Toyotas who have never had a single problem with their cars.

    I am familiar with the Toyota Camry V6 transmission problems.

    The car rental company told me the Toyotas for them have been the most reliable.

    We just need to be aware that Mazda's most important priority isn't quality.

    I have been considering the new Mazda6 2009 but I am just not sure that I can trust that brand again.

    Even in the Edmunds review they say the dash on the passengers side is made with cheap quality plastic.

    It just makes me wonder what else have they cheaped out on.

    Another review I read stated that in testing they did a hard stop and in doing so broke the brake pedal. Not a good sign.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I know people with Nissans and Toyotas who have never had a single problem with their cars

    Not to argue with you, however, those brands are known for having problems too. I know plenty of people that have had issues with them.

    We just need to be aware that Mazda's most important priority isn't quality.

    Well, read every review and you will see how "quality" was Mazda's first priority. Mazda has stated that over and over.

    Even in the Edmunds review they say the dash on the passengers side is made with cheap quality plastic.


    If soft to touch materials is considered "cheap", then even Lexus, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz are as well.

    It's obvious you have never even stepped foot in one. The car is totally different. It's quality is much much better then the 1st gen. I own one as well.
  • Hi everybody. I would love to know if the I4 and the V6 in the lovely '09 Mazda6 are Japanese made or stupid Ford made??? tyvm you all. I enjoy readying your informative posts! :shades:
  • Another review I read stated that in testing they did a hard stop and in doing so broke the brake pedal. Not a good sign.

    Can you cite the source for this review? There are requirements from the US federal government concerning how this type of thing should be reported.

    In any case, it sounds like you've decided this isn't the vehicle for you, even though it sounds as if you've never seen, felt, ridden in or driven it. Given your ability to judge vehicles through osmosis, there are a plethora of other choices.

    My complaint is I couldn't find a manual transmission with sunroof configuration.
  • I would love to know if the I4 and the V6 in the lovely '09 Mazda6 are Japanese
    made or stupid Ford made???


    Are you asking if they are built in the United States like the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord? Or are you asking if they are assembled by union labor?

    BTW what is a "stupid Ford made?"
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    My Mazda is 2004. It took them until 2007 model to get an average rating in CR.

    This was because they were clubbing the old piece of junk 626 reliability data with the 2003+ Mazda6. :shades:
  • You people really do like to jump to conclusions don't you and finished off with a splatter of sarcasm?

    It wouldn't surprise me if there are some Mazda dealers posting replies here.

    Yes I have test driven the new 2009 Mazda 6 and I actually like the first generation's dash better than the second generation, otherwise a very nice engine and much better turning radius and great satellite radio. Mixed feelings about the exterior, can't help feeling mine looks better.

    I am offering an objective critique on a machine, which is all it is, rather, trying not too passionate about something which is after all only a car.

    Although I do like the car, the quality of build is not on par with Honda or Nissan, in my opinion that is, is just does not feel as solid.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    We just need to be aware that Mazda's most important priority isn't quality.

    You remind me of another poster who dished out abuses about the 2003+ Mazda6 just like this.......he even started a process to sue Mazda for the "rust" problem... :sick:
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    Although I do like the car, the quality of build is not on par with Honda or Nissan, in my opinion that is, is just does not feel as solid.

    Very good. Then don't buy one. Why are your trying to IMPOSE your dislike on others?

    Now don't say you are doing this good deed for the benefit of others :sick:
  • Although I do like the car, the quality of build is not on par with Honda or Nissan, in my opinion that is, is just does not feel as solid.

    I guess I have had a different experience, as I am looking forward to getting out of my '07 Accord with its "tri-color" mis-matched dash (apparently all the different plastic parts of the dash fade in the sun at different rates), antiquated audio system, and razor thin sheet metal (every oil change has to be on a Wednesday because that is the day the PDR guy is there) and into something more fun.

    That said, the failure to package the manual transmission with any options like a sunroof or leather will keep me on the bench with the Mazda6.
  • The main components in a vehicle is the Drivetrain. It is obvious as night and day that if Mazda is placing Ford engines and Ford transmissions in their 6s, that WILL hurt the sales. I for one wouldn't consider buying a Mazda with Ford Drivetrains! There was a report earlier this year (I can't remember by whom....Edmunds, caranddriver, or etc.) that in the year 2010 (it may have been 2009), Mazda had decided to place Ford engines and transmissions in their Mazda6s. I believe that to be a horrible mistake, i.e., a Japanese car with American engine and transmission! Put me down all you want to, but that is a huge BLUNDER! Does anyone know if Mazda is placing stupid Ford engines and transmissions in the '09 Mazda6s? tyvm :shades:
  • The main components in a vehicle is the Drivetrain. It is obvious as night and day that if Mazda is placing Ford engines and Ford transmissions in their 6s, that WILL hurt the sales. I for one wouldn't consider buying a Mazda with Ford Drivetrains!

    I am curious why you might feel that way given the awards the Ford motors have received. I am also curious since one of the biggest issues with the previous generation 626/MX6/Probe was the automatic transmission, and it was a Mazda sourced unit.

    I believe that to be a horrible mistake, i.e., a Japanese car with American engine and transmission! Put me down all you want to, but that is a huge BLUNDER! Does anyone know if Mazda is placing stupid Ford engines and transmissions in the '09 Mazda6s?

    I meant no offense by my question and wasn't "putting anyone down;" I think its a matter of ignorance and a need for education about how vehicles and their components are designed and developed. Hyundai, Chrysler, and Mitsubishi all use the same motor. GM/Isuzu provided vehicles to Honda/Acura, etc.
  • Alright, here we go....

    The V6 in the 2009 mazda6 is virtually identical to that in the CX-9 and is made entirely in Japan. So is the transmission for both the v6 and 4 cyl. The 4 cylinder is a bored out, retuned version of the 2.3 liter motor from the previous generation Mazda6 which was always lauded as smooth reving and fun, if a little underpowered and thirsty. Both fuel economy and power got a boost when they turned it into the 2.5

    FYI Mazda actually does by far the most manufacturing in Japan between them, toyota, honda and Nissan. (please, no comments on the B-series truck or tribute, everyone knows what they are).

    The "cheap plastic" on the dash spoken of is on the driver's side, not the passengers. And it is only cheap because it is not soft touch. Looking at it, it is identical, and unless you're poking at it to poke at it, you'll never touch it. This is why it was used there, while the passenger side where people may touch or rest their feet is soft.

    If you want a stick shift with leather, give me a call. We have an I Grand Touring with moonroof and bose due this week. The initial 20 cars most dealerships got were ones they didn't order. Now we're getting the ones we did. Currently, the only real restriction on sticks is you can get the light interiors with them (no big loss imho) and if you want a car with a moonroof, you need either a GT or convenience pack. Since it sounds like you want leather and a roof, we've got that coming. These will ease up as the launch get's further along. I hate to say though I haven't had a single person come in and ask to drive the stick shift yet though... =( And we have one to drive too....

    The Chrysler products do well on the EPA tests for the same reason Mazda's don't. They're tuned for it. As many have noted, the EPA takes notice of things like VCM and Cylinder deactivation and uses that in it's equations. So when you have a huge v8, that can run at 55-60 mph with 4-5 cylinders off and at 1500 rpm, mathematically, it should return pretty darn good fuel economy. The same applies for vehicles with a CVT. In practice, many of these things provide a marginal improvement in practice because they are all technologies that work in optimal settings. Traffic and driver habits have a way of not being optimal. As Mazda probably ranks fuel economy about 3rd or 4th on their lift of priorities in designing a car, they don't tune it to pass a test. Thus bad test numbers, and numbers on par with the others IRL. Mazda officials have stated as much saying something to the effect of "We're confident our real world fuel economy will be competitive".

    S Plan itself is a nationwide program. Whether the rebate applies and how much it is for depends on the individual area's stairstep program. Ours was 500 last month, 400 things month. In fact everything dropped to 400 this month except 3's which are down to 200 and CX-9's up to 750. S Plan can always be combined with any other national program.

    The commercial will begin airing tomorrow night during monday night football. Anyone with M-Drive access can view the 60 second and 30 second spots. I won't post them here for obvious reasons.

    Oh, and if anyone read through the NY times article, well, the last line basically seemed to say the car is ahead of everything and in a class with a TL, not an accord.
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