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Honda Odyssey Transmission Problems

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  • pgnagelpgnagel Posts: 60
    Ummm...have you had it serviced lately? If the vehicle is vibrating it sounds like the torque converter is about to check out. It might be a relatively cheap fix if you have it diagnosed now instead of waiting until you are stranded on the side of the road with nothing but your temper to keep you warm.
  • happpyhapppy Posts: 1
    I too, own a 2001 Odyssey and at about 75k miles the repair light came on. I took my van into the dealer where they diagnosed the problem as P0740, and told me I needed to replace the transmission. The quote ranged from 3600. to 5100. I was devastated. I could not afford to replace the transmission and was blown away that with such low miles, I needed to replace the transmission! I immediately wrote a letter to Honda and explained the situation. I asked for them to please keep the integrity of the Honda brand and offer "goodwill assistance". Two days later, we received a phone call from Honda. After my husband answered a series of questions, we were told that they would review the case and let us know what they decided. The next day Honda called to let us know that a replacement transmission was being ordered by the dealer and it would be REPLACED AT NO CHARGE! The transmission was installed in record time (one day) and it was absolutely FREE. I cannot emphasize enough about how pleased we are with this outcome. If you live in Orange County, CA. I highly recommend Weseloh Honda in San Juan Capistrano. I am a truly happy customer and would definitely purchase another Honda. I received EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE!
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Good for you. But I think it's pretty stupid (financially) for Honda to be replacing transmissions 7 years out of warranty. It never hurts to ask, but I sure wouldn't expect such compensation.
  • happy-
    were you the original owner or not? I am in the exact same situation with a 2001 around 85K miles and needing a new transmission and Honda has told me "too bad", I'm assuming because I am the second owner. The original owner had all service and regular maintenance done at the dealership up to 75K miles. I know Honda owes me nothing as I am past the time period for the warranty even though I am below the mileage limit. But seeing Honda come through for you makes me want to try again with them, though I suspect it is the fact that I am not the original owner that will keep Honda from helping me.
  • pgnagelpgnagel Posts: 60
    Is anyone asking *why* the transmission needs replacing? I mean, really, what is THE one cause that is killing all these gearboxes? The infamous FLASHING D4 isn't a fault code at all, it simply signals a pressure abnormality. There is ONE pressure switch in the B7TA transaxle, and if it goes out of range the light starts flashing and people start freaking out.

    Also, I've learned that Honda is very reluctant to allow dealerships to rebuild these units. They ask that the defective transaxles be sent back for replacement. That just seems odd to me.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,916
    Also, I've learned that Honda is very reluctant to allow dealerships to rebuild these units. They ask that the defective transaxles be sent back for replacement. That just seems odd to me.

    It's probably because they can do the work faster and cheaper than the dealership.
  • fuvangfuvang Posts: 6
    Yes my van is serviced... change oil when it tells me it's time.. all the requirement I need... but I will get it to the shop to see if it is the torque converter box.... thank you. By the way, are you from Honda?
  • pgnagelpgnagel Posts: 60
    I would still service it again. It's a relatively cheap attempt to save the converter. A new one is $700 (rebuilt units are around $200) plus 10 hours labor to install it. That's pretty expensive.

    In my opinion the service interval is too long for these units. I serviced ours several times a year and it lasted 190,000 miles before a clutch disk let go and trashed a couple bearings.

    By the way I finally got the van back yesterday...and...drum roll, please...it works! Nice crispy shifts, lower shift rpms, clean converter lock-up, and a tremendous sense of satisfaction. I'd do it again in a second.

    For reference we have a 1999 Odyssey with the B7TA 4-speed. It's the same unit that was put in the Accord and Acura TL that year. The same transmission in a heavier vehicle means...more heat. Like I've said before, heat management is extremely important in these units! You MUST install an after market unit (like the Hayden 678), an inline (i.e. serciveable) external filter, and service it annually. Well, I guess you could shell out $4,000 for a rebuilt transmission instead, but why not be proactive?

    If anyone is interested in the summary of the rebuild, let me know. Honestly, it's pretty involved, but if you keep your wits about you it really isn't that bad, assuming you like to turn wrenches and solve problems.
  • Hi - We also have a 2000. No problems at all except for the transmission. We are on our 3rd transmission. First one at 97k was replaced under warranty. Second one was replaced at 160k at a cost of $3,500 - not by Honda because they could not find a replacement - - not a good sign I guess; but by their "recommended alternative" who we were very pleased with. The critical thing to understand is that the transmission cannot be serviced. Usually you can drop the pan and replace or at least clean the filter but not on this vehicle. The only thing you can do is to change the fluid - which you should do every 25k miles. I did not know this and I don't think the fluid was changed since the 100k miles tune up that I had done at 110K. My guess is that you will definately have problems and since the 2000's were replaced under warranty you will be good up until 90 or 100k - I guess. But get the transmission fluid changed regularly and talk to your Honda dealer about the what if's.
  • pgnagelpgnagel Posts: 60
    Also, I've learned that Honda is very reluctant to allow dealerships to rebuild these units. They ask that the defective transaxles be sent back for replacement. That just seems odd to me.

    It's probably because they can do the work faster and cheaper than the dealership.

    Faster? I doubt it. You really don't need any special tools to rebuild one of these units.

    Cheaper? You bet. If I did these every day I'm sure I could finish one in 2 days. Compare your factory pay rate in Japan vs. paying a U.S. Tech to do the same thing. Now, it costs HOW MUCH to buy one of these from Honda? $4,000. That's a lot of additional scratch going straight to Japan instead of your local dealer.

    That $4,000 gets you clutches, steels, retainers, maybe some new bearings, o-rings, seals, gaskets, and a torque converter. That's a lame deal. I put $500 in parts in mine and it's running great.

    Who needs there 1999-2001 transmission rebuilt? Maybe I'll start a side business building these things.
  • g3guyg3guy Posts: 31
    I've still got warranty from Honda until June of next year on the third tranny in my '00, but I'd be interested in a rebuild when that runs out. I love my Ody, and would have routine maintenance done on it locally, but can't find anyone who will redo a transmission without just swapping it out with a Honda rebuild. Set up your business and see what happens....
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,916
    Faster? I doubt it. You really don't need any special tools to rebuild one of these units.

    Cheaper? You bet. If I did these every day I'm sure I could finish one in 2 days.


    You are contradicting yourself here. But anyway, dealer techs also don't want to spend 2 days rebuilding a transmission. It's not profitable for them unless that's all they do. Techs get paid flat-rate on a job, not by the hour.

    Compare your factory pay rate in Japan vs. paying a U.S. Tech to do the same thing.

    My understanding is that they are being rebuilt in Alabama - not Japan. Those techs are probably rebuilding 1 a day because that's all they do.

    Now, it costs HOW MUCH to buy one of these from Honda? $4,000.

    Well the $500 you spent isn't the only cost - labor to rebuild, shipping, warranty, profit margin for Honda, profit margin for dealer, tech labor to install. Yes, there's profit in it but since we aren't a socialist economy, I don't begrudge them.
  • lbreeslbrees Posts: 3
    My brake lights on my 1990 Accord are stuck "ON" and the only way I can turn them off is to pull the fuse. Anyone have an inexpensive solution to this problem?
  • pgnagelpgnagel Posts: 60
    I'm not contradicting myself, you just didn't understand what I wrote.

    I'm not going to get into a shouting match over this. The part is $4,000 plus another $1,000 to install at the dealer. I spent $1,100 total on my project. I'll gladly absorb any risk to save that kind of money and have the experience of doing the work. The replacements are grossly overpriced period.

    My point in all of this is that the work of rebuilding that gearbox isn't worth $4,000 no matter who does it, and I'm stating my case so if there is anyone else out there who wants to try it I can offer them some help. The warranty on these units is gone, and not everyone can afford to cough up the dough to have Honda do the work.

    My dealer was under the impression that the rebuilt units were in fact coming from Japan, but it doesn't matter where they come from, they're too expensive. Also, anyone who does rebuild one of these things has to understand proper filtration and heat management on the new unit or they will be going through this again.

    So, pick up your wrenches and get to work or go get stuffed. And don't try to tell me what I already know, especially if you've never done it yourself.
  • Hi.Were you the one who said they would send out a summary of the rebuild, if so that would be fantastic. Thank you so much
  • I would give it a try. I have it on my shop floor and was just thinking of starting this. Thanks for sharing and posting. Any tips would be great. I've rebuilt turbohydramatic 350's before. Never one of these. thanks again.
  • Hey Browneee. What or where is the 3rd gear pressure component. Thanks for your help.
  • Hi All. I have a 01 ody that shifts great, smooth- no issues other than the 0740 code. No symptoms at all. I have read about cleaning screens and 3rd gear components. Dealer checked and said all solenoids are working fine!! What to do- what -to do!! Thanks
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  • I am interested in summary of the rebuild. I have a 2000 Odyssey with 230K and my tranny oil is starting to slip. I've changed the oil twice this year which helps temporarily but it won't last much longer. Interested in whatever you can send me. Can you get parts directly from Honda?
  • pgnagelpgnagel Posts: 60
    Before you yank out that gearbox, you might want to consider adding a few things to see if they help. If I were doing this again I would hae installed a Hayden 678 cooler (which I will do shortly) along with the Mangefine filter (which I did a few years ago, and it helped dramatically). Service the transmission one more time to see if it helps.

    By the way, a freshly rebuilt transaxle (part B7TA) holds just over 6 quarts of fluid when completely rebuilt, so a servicing replaces about 50% of the fluid. This is better then most GM transmissions by a long shot.

    Let me know what happens when you add the above items. I think they will by you at least another year of driving. Then we can talk about the rebuild, likely through another medium or I might be able to do a website about it.
  • Thank you for the information, this site and your contribution has been really helpful.
    I serviced the transmission with synthetic, added a additive called Seafoam and cleared the code. So far - so good. It's amazing the abuse a trans can take with old fluid in it, people never think about that oil until thinks start to act up. Thanks again.
  • I am facing my first replacement/repair it seems. My 2005 honda od growls/grunts/groans at low rpms and hunts at certain speeds if not pushing the gas much; 35-40, 65-70.

    I must ask, what wording did you use exactly to convince honda to change out 3 of your transmissions? Any other advice other than sell at 100k?

    Thank you, Thomas.
  • I also have 2001 Odyssey and it just reached 60K miles last week, and the two lights became on recently. I sent my car to do the transmission service last week, which did not help too much!

    After read all the messages here about Replacement Transmission, I was very sad about these news. This is my first Honda car. Also, I am the first owner. I just called the Honda dealer today, and what I got was: "Sorry! Your warranty is expired, we could not do anything about this issue." I really don't know what I should do so far. Just spent about $ 4000~5000 in getting a new transmission in the dealer? Or find other store to fix the problem?
  • Personally I would spend the money on a Jasper transmission. They have a great warranty. Note that you will pay more money for that brand but not as much as you would at the dealership. My 2004 Odyssey tranny went out this past August. I went to an AAMCO dealer and am starting to regret my decision. The van still shudders @ 45 mph at 1200 RPM's. I've had it back to them twice and they keep telling me there's nothing wrong. I've got a 12,000 mile/12-month warranty on it and am hoping the tranny falls out soon!

    Hang in there. Other than the tranny issues (which is a huge issue) I have really enjoyed my Odyssey
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 226
    That's all great & good on a Jasoer transmssion in the USA but where would they be located in Canada.
  • fuvangfuvang Posts: 6
    Look folks, I got lucky I think. I changed the transmission fluid myself and my van stopped shaking. I have a brother in law who is a mechanic and says the torque converter box is very sensitive. So if you haven't changed the transmission fluid or have had the Honda shop done it, do it yourself one more time. It cost only a little over $30. Once you change it, it may make a difference. Worth $30. Plus don't trust Honda shop... the Honda shop in Asheboro, NC told my wife it was a mount bracket broken and would cost over $1000 to fix, plus they will service the transmission fluid... I didn't trust them, just serviced the transmission fluid myself, took 1 hour b/c engine was hot, ta da, fixed... good luck to all and if you don't know how to change it, let me know, very simple.. if you can change a tire, you can do this...
  • pgnagelpgnagel Posts: 60
    These transmissions need to be kept clean and cool. Although the newer models have a serviceable filter, I would still recommend putting a redundancy in the system in the form or another filter. Also, remember that as those filters get used and begin to clog up you can have pressure drops in the system which can lead to all sorts of problems. Install a cooler as well. You can put in a nice one for less than $100.
  • cfdadecfdade Posts: 1
    2000 Ody 105K miles,1-owner. Oil, easy maintenance done by me, rest by mech/dealer. Engine light on, then TCS light lit on way home from tire rot/bal, Next morning, the shudder started when shifting or 3000rpm. Codes P1456 & P1259. Mech replaced faulty LF wheel sensor & LF wheel bearings...right & rear checked fine. Problem is lights still lit...dealer wants $100 to check...and I know tranny is going. Honda says regardless of my maintenence records, I'm out of 7yr/109K warranty and out-of-luck. Anyone try the tranny fluid service? OR the after-market cooler? Did it work? For how long? And...did the dreaded lights go out?

    Selling with known issues an integrity issue. Spending $2-3K for a vehicle with repetitive issues seems ill-advised. Thank you
  • Our 2001 Odyssey with 78000 miles had the same P0740 code. The dealer wants over $5000 to replace the transmission. The dealer contacted Honda for "good will" assistance, which was denied.

    Would you tell me who specifically you wrote to at Honda to appeal? I'd certainly appreciate it.

    Thank you.
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