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Honda Odyssey Transmission Problems

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  • Anyone install the transmission cooler early on in the life of their 2000-2005 Honda Odyssey's and STILL have to replace a transmission?

    Would be interesting to see what the replacement stats are for those odyssey's w/ the cooler vs those w/out the cooler installed.

    Thanks~
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 226
    I had the same issues with my 2002 a/c; cooler in back than the front. I checked with my Honda dealer about this and found out the back & front come from the same unit; not 2 sepearate units. They looked into the problem and found my a/c front & back lines were finished and I needed a new compressor & some other unit. Since it was close to replacing my timing belt and water pump I had them replace all the necessary a/c units, lines, etc and the timing belt and water pump to the tune of $2832. I just passed 300,000 kms. There was some savings in doing these things all at the same time.
  • vgervger Posts: 30
    trans cooler upgrade (I believe they are equipted with a stock cooler) is always helpful since heat is the killer of clutch plates and bands. But for our Honda trans, a trans filter is more important. I have a 2000 Honda and the Lenear Solenoid and the A B Solenoid have mesh screens that DO get clogged which causes slippage, harsh shifting, high speed (60mph+) down shift (second gear) upon hitting brakes (usually you can smell overheated trans fluid). People with 1998 - 2003 Hondas who have the slightest shift problems, clean those two filters first, before you burn your bands and plates. You may just find that cleaning them will solve your trans problem even if it doesn't engage in fourth, or slipping a little in first gear before it catches.
  • joep13joep13 Posts: 1
    I have a 2005 Odyssey that would have made it to the moon (251000 miles). This is the second tranny and was put in around 80000 miles. It starts vibrating with any accelerating or strain. I suspect the torque converter or active motor mount. I have replace the rear motor mount. Does anyone have any experience with the front active motor mount. This is the cheaper engine
    without ECO. If it is the torque converter I am going to turn it into a chicken coop. (not a joke some would consider me a redneck)
  • blackexv6blackexv6 Posts: 490
    It's most likely the torque converter. Our Odyssey has the same problem and all the engine mounts are fine.
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 226
    I don't know where you have a transmission filter that can be cleaned. My 2002 has a filter but you cannot clean it. When I replaced my transmission at 184K kms it came with a filter but you cannot re-clean it. This all according to my Honda dealer.
  • vgervger Posts: 30
    It's not the internal trans filter, but the upper Linear Solenoid and the A B Solenoid. The Linear Solenoid has six #10 bolts and the A B has three. It's just under the radiator hose, the other is just below the air intake on top of your tranny. When you take off the Linear you will see four metal tubes (different length, don't mix them up) about straw size in dia, about four inches in length. At the end of each one has a wire mesh screen. The second one is the one that usually gets clogged. The other solenoid under the air intake has a rubber gasket with two wire mesh screens. I'm on my fouth tranny. When it started acting up again, I got fed up with dishing out money so I searched on the net and read about these two shift solenoids. I cleaned them and sure enough the tranny was working again. six months later it started acting up again and I cleaned it again and it was fine again. There was residule crud in the fluid lines so it clogged again, but since the second cleaning I've been driving fine (40K+ miles).
  • vgervger Posts: 30
    @ hilapat post 2211 What you're describing, is exactly what was happening to my trans. I had to do the same manual shifting to move around. Clean those two shift solenoid screens (Linear Solenoid and A B Solenoid) before you burn the clutch plates and bands (major overhaul at that point). Those two solenoids are on the outside of your tranny on top No need to drop or open up the tranny. If you're handy, you can do it and it's about a 3 hr job. check the wires that goes to the Linear Solenoid, if one is broken or if it is defective, you will get a flashing "D". Personally I feel this is one of the main reason for Hondas Trans going out.
  • rj28rj28 Posts: 1
    the solenoid screens are most likely not your problem. if they are plugged up, you have much deeper concerns with the transmission. the most common failure on honda transmissions is the torque converter clutch failing. Honda has a problem with the converter overheating causing the converter clutch to come apart. then the clutch material will saturate the fluid ending up in the internal filter. when this happens the transmission becomes starved for fluid and is not able to apply other clutch packs in the transmission, which in turn causes those clutches to burn up and fail. THIS TRANSMISSION DOES NOT HAVE A BAND. It has a series of clutch drums that when activated lock a hub to engage that specific gear ratio. These honda transmissions actually resemble a manual transmission that has been converted to a automatic. the shift forks,syncros and sliders that you would normally see on a manual transmission have been replaced with a hydraulically controlled clutch drum but the result is the same. gears are engaged and disengaged unlike a traditional automatic transmission that utilizes BANDS, planetary gear sets and sprags(one way roller clutches). Getting back to the possibility of plugged solenoid screens, if they are plugged, then no doubt there are screens inside the valve body(deep inside the transmission) that will also be plugged aswell. There are also feed pipe screens inside the transmission that will be plugged up as well. What you really need is a professional transmission rebuilder to overhaul the transmission. there are upgrades that can be installed during the rebuild that will increase the life of the transmission by fixing the torque converter cooling problems all these hondas have.transgo makes a shift kit that allows better trans cooler flow, better torque converter apply pressure, and cooler flow in park and neutral. Sonnax also makes upgrades for the valve body that also prolong the life of the transmission.and talk on the street says superior(shift kit manufacturer) is in the process of making a complete fix for the honda transmissions that will be hitting the shelves this year.if you have a dealer rebuilt transmission installed you will no doubt have the same issues 3 or 4 years down the road as honda does not install any upgrades to prevent the converter overheat issue.
  • vgervger Posts: 30
    Thank rj28, about no bands in the Tranny. Never opened a Honda Tranny and I was speaking from the GM Trannys I opened up before. I'm a do-it-yourself BYM and the two solenoids I mentioned are controlling the clutch pressure. To some, including myself who are on their second to fourth tranny rebuild, considers the milage and age of our Oddy verses the cost of another complete rebuild again. This is a POSSIBLE fix because myself and others have found that it has extended the life of our tranny. Of course if there are other things wrong, yeh, it won't help. But it cost nothing or little if you're doing it yourself. I had to do it twice because there were more debris in the system, but to date it has been running since the second cleaning. I did have to buy the gasket to the Linear Solenoid second time around for under 3 dollars.
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Posts: 26
    mmmmmm. I am not mechanically inclined, but I could take it to where I usually have my vehicle serviced (not the trans service place...right?).

    I wrote everything down, and saw what ri28 wrote to you. The "D" was flashing today, but then stopped. Therefore I am hurting the vehicle more by not fixing now? I was going to wait til the trans went completely out and then take it.

    Please advise and thanks for writing...I do appreciate it ;0)
  • vgervger Posts: 30
    A trans shop will recommend tear down and rebuild... a rightly so. Their reputation as a professional licensed mechanic is on the line. They do not want to do a partial fix and have you come back saying something is wrong again. We do not know at this point what the tranny's condition really is. If the tranny has not significantly burned away the clutches, then just cleaning the two solenoid screens may just all you need to extend the life of your tranny. So the mechanic will be doing labor, unless the Linear Solenoid is bad. Check online for Honda Odyssey Linear Solenoid for best price and cleaning. Your search may even show videos of people who do-it-yourself cleaning them (I did see some about 6 months ago). I would drain the tranny of its 3 1/2 quart of ATF (Use only Honda ATF ~ about $8/qu) and refill, when the mechanic removes the Linear Solenoid to suck up debris from the removed tube passage. Be careful not to nick the tubes and lose the o ring gaskets (4 removable tubes and 4 rubber o rings). You may want to go to Honda dealer and buy the 4 o rings and the the gasket for the solenoid (I would recommend it), but if the mechanic is careful you can reuse, but the cost is not that much, maybe less than $5 - $10. I would not use any solvents to clean the screens, just air blow it clean. The A B Solenoid has 3 bolts, the last one in back is the hardest to get at has the rubber gasket with two screens. When pulling it off from the solenoid, be careful not to tear it. I'm pretty sure it will be clogged, since this is the one that controls Torque Converter pressure. Again just air blow it clean. It can be reused, but if you're concerned replace,but I don't know the cost of it. Post and let us know if this solved your tranny problems.
  • The problem is that the Honda tranny for the ODY was engineered poorly and no matter what you do it is bound to fail. It started in 2000 and continues today. Honda knows it and does not care. They have replaced entire transmissions for owners because of a class actoin lawsuit they lost. They too fail shortly after installed. The new ones are no better than the old. The only fix is to simply rid your self of the van, live and learn and stay away from Honda.
  • ramy1995ramy1995 Posts: 39
    after 2 years of lugging and kikking, the 2000 oddy i have owned for the last 3 years is becoming manual tran. van.
    now, at take off no problem, second gear will not engage , grrrrrrr, 3000 rpm and no second gear, now what? you move to N , then to D again and second shift is engages, sluggish but it is there. you move on, and third ang fourth again slow but engage. on highway at 70 miles per hour, and 2000 rpm, you can not believe it has any problem. the killer is when you are in traffic , then you want to get your head out of car and curse honda in his grave. but again, everytime you stop you have to bring it to N, then D/ < it will move without doing that, but very sluggish, taking off at high gear feels like.
    and one more, for a while, the reverse gear will engage only for first time, if you need it again , you have to turn engin off, and on and reverse, voilea.. but now, reverse works fine, no prblm
    anyone wants to buy my van???
    dan
  • There is a class action lawsuit against Honda regarding the Odyssey transmission problem. You can search for more details.
  • rfreitasrfreitas Posts: 63
    What years does the class action lawsuit include?

    I saw the one for the 2005-2007 (I think).

    Do you have a link?
  • odywoesodywoes Posts: 1
    My transmission just failed in my 2006 and was replaced by a local transmission shop. Approximately 9K miles prior (currently have 120K), the transmission would shudder on the highway as if it couldn't decide which gear to stay in. This happened only a few times. We took the vehicle to our local honda dealership, St. Louis Honda and asked that they open a case with Honda. The standard playbook for the dealerships is to deny the problem and then require a transmission software update and fluid change. After paying for that service, the transmission seems to be fine for a while but what is really happening is the valve body that supplies the torque converter is temporarily freed. As you have probably read, this fix typically lasts 9 - 10K miles before reappearing. When it reappears, some people are able to get by with a replacement torque converter but others, such as myself, require a complete rebuild.

    I was so fed up with Honda's denial and delay tactics. Once you have problems and bring you vehicle to the dealership, you are COMPLETELY at their mercy since they have to remove your transmission and disassemble it before they can tell you what is wrong and how much it costs. At this point, you can't take your vehicle and go elsewhere, so you are stuck pleading your case. Many on the internet claim Honda covers 25% if you had the vehicle serviced and do not have high mileage. Many with lower mileage claim 100% reimbursement.

    My bill from a reputable transmission shop totaled $4400. That price included a transmission cooler which Honda highly recommends (despite the fact your vehicle didn't orginally include it). My bill may have been less through the dealership with a 25% courtesy reimbursement but the gamble is high AND the Honda rebuilt transmissions do not include the aftermarket rebuilt valve bodies (designed to prevent torque converter fluid starvation causing this problem).

    I also have a Honda Accord and see that Honda has the same problem for that vehicle. A friend at work is on his 4th courtesy rebuilt transmission in his Acura.

    I no longer consider the Honda brand to represent quality!
  • Hi everybody,
    I just met a honda owner,he owns the following Honda vechicles.
    2002 Accord Ex 238,000.
    2005 Odyssey EXL 188,00.
    2008 Accord with 166400.
    He never had any trans issues.(He is sales guy almost 16hrs on road)
    His secrets, oil change 3500 to 4000.
    Transmission oil change every 25,000.
    did anybody did anything similer ,any comments welcome.... :shades:
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,630
    nothing like that mileage, but on our 2005 Odyssey I had the dealer change the trans fluid every 30K as a precaution.

    I do have a 2000 Acura Tl with about 163K miles. I think that was probably changed around 100K (was my sister's car), and I did it again at about 160, but that was it for that one.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    edited July 2012
    "Transmission oil change every 25,000."

    Here's the thing about that statement.....

    A"transmission oil change" could be all the fluid...(put in 3 1/2 quarts, run it through all the gears, dump it out and do it again , and then again)

    Or, what some people call a transmission oil change is..do this once.

    It's a big difference, if you 'do it once', like I do, then do it on every second engine oil change. Call me paranoid.

    I also added a Magnefine inline filter to the return line under the air breather box in my 2003 Ody EXL. This keeps the clutch debris and the metal filings from circulating through the a/t and plugging up the screens, destroying gears, valves and bearings.
    That special filter gets changed once a year, need it or not.

    I ease it off the line and don't stand on the throttle during the 2-3 gear changes. Will any of this keep it running longer...don't know, but it's all I can do to keep it out of the hands of the Honda $ervice $enter.

    Oh, and one more thing..could be very important too...get that original Honda Z1 a/t fluid out of there ASAP, put in the new Honda DW1 syn. or your choice of quality synth a/t fluid...contrary to what the owners manual says...the world will not suddenly end if you do and your tranny will thank you for it.
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Posts: 26
    no...just the oil changes at 7500 miles. I had a place change the trans fluid and it did nothing to help my problem...I think I am going to just drive it til it dies. 194,000+...it is annoying shifting from second to drive especially on hills.
  • donethat_1donethat_1 Posts: 66
    The Honda ODY from years 2000 to present have a engieering design flaw. There are too many people with too many tranny issues to think otherwise. In addition, Honda lost a class action lawsuit ($90 million) already on the early models and there are ongoing class actions for the newer models. Parents driving around town and the hwy when all of sudden the tranny seizes or smokes, etc leading to abrupt braking to prevent an accidents. I would never every buy another Honda based on my experience. I have contacted them on numerour occassions and they do not want to address.

    Even this, February 2012 Motor Trend Long Test Article 2011 Odyssey Touring Elite, 6 months old, 14999 miles "...we'll have the technicians look at the transmission as well. Over time, shifting has become rough, and occasionally upon acceleration between first and second gears, the transmission seems to be shuddering."
  • I've owned two Odyssseys - 2000 and 2005. Here is my transmission experience:

    Drove the first Odyssey for about 120,000 miles before we sold the van. About half of the miles were highway- the rest in town. Van was frequently heavily loaded with passengers and cargo. Had the transmission serviced at about 60 -70,000 miles (dealer service). We never had any transmission performance or reliability problems. I would describe our transmission experience as "excellent".

    The 2005 Odyssey now has 145,000 miles. These miles are probably 2/3 highway and 1/3 in town. We moved to Arizona just after we bought this van and the temperature is frequently >110 degrees for most of the summer and >120 is not uncommon. Because the nearest dealer is more than 70 miles away, I have had the vehicles serviced by a trusted local mechanic. I had the transmission flushed and serviced at 60,000 and 130,000 miles. The mechanic described the transmission to be in very good condition (and he services many transmissions of all makes.) We have never had any performance or reliability problems with this transmission either.

    The service reliability of these two cars (as good or better than any other cars we have ever owned) has my wife insistent that only an Odyssey will do when we decide to replace it. I kind of like the Sienna a bit more, but our experience with our other Toyotas has made us both gun-shy.

    Is there something specific about the current Odysseys that make it apparent that they should be avoided? In particular, is the newer 6-speed automatic a problem child?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,630
    it seems that they have made a lot of improvements to the later models, but not sure how much of it (at least with the 5 speed0 was tweaks to try and cover for design issues.

    though hopefully the newer 9dual shaft?) design they adopted in ~ 2007 truly fixes the root cause.

    the more recent problems seem to be with the torque converter, and that seems to also be computer (controls) related.

    honda certainly had plenty of time (and bad experience to review) since 2000 to fix the issues for real, not just bandaid the old pig!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • ramy1995ramy1995 Posts: 39
    anyone has possesed tranny like mine, first,
    2000, 150k,
    first, 2 yrs ago, tranny ill shift properly, kick, spit, disengage, but moves..
    now, wont shift past 3gear, but goes like gunho.. somtimes, slips, but mostly goes..
    no transmission monkey was able to pin point , thats when they say, u need new tranny. bad tranny , but bad tranny wont move at all ...
    anyone went thru this? any input>
    dan
  • tlw6tlw6 Posts: 16
    Have a '03 model and is time for scheduled transmission fluid service. I was suggested to "flush" it instead of just replacing the fluid. is it advisable? The manual states "replace" though.
  • tlw6tlw6 Posts: 16
    I had a '99 that behaved similarly for a while and eventually stopped moving... The only caution would be safety, I guess, when the car begins to show signs of possibly stopping in the middle of the road or any unpredictable changes of speeds.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,630
    Just got a notice today that the warranty on my 2005 was extended through 8 years/105K for torque converter shudder. Have to keep a close eye on that, though not sure I want to risk the software update! They may just do it anyway next time it is in for an oil change.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • geh86geh86 Posts: 11
    We have an '03 Ody that shuddered at low RPMs for years (at least 3). We took it to the Honda dealer and they blamed it on the EGR valve. The dealer also replaced the transmission fluid. Last year, I took it to a recommended local mechanic and was able to replicate the problem with him in the vehicle. I was concerned that it would cost thousands to repair. He recommended a power flush (~$150) and it KNOCKED OUT the transmission issues period. I can't tell you how much time I spent on the internet researching the issue...to no avail. Many thanks to the mechanic. I will never simply replace the transmission fluid again on my Ody.
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 226
    See my message #2015. just spend $150 on an aftermarket transmission cooler. Your return lines will all be looked after.
    Replaced transmssion once at 184k kms; currently at 306k kms on my 2002.
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