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2009 Honda Pilot

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  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    >> Will the 2009 Pilot be 5-speed or 6-speed Shiftable Automatic?
    There is no 6-speed automatic from Honda/Acura in production today.
    Not to mention, a manumatic one.

    >> Pricing?
    $28,000 to $40,000 MSRP (plus extra options on all packages)

    >> available date?
    June at your dealerships.

    Much info on
    http://automobiles.honda.com/2009-pilot/
    including what is standard on what package...
    read on.

    Personally, several things missing on the new Pilot are a deal-killer for me
    - smart-key entry and start system
    Once you had it, you will not buy another car w/o it. 8-)
    - amber signal lights.
    I will also not buy a vehicle w/o amber signal light.
    - HID headlights
    It is much brighter, save energy and last longer.

    Gone are the days when Honda/Acura can charge beyond MSRP for their vehicles.
    Deals are everywhere. For example, MAZDA CX-9 can be had for $2000 BELOW INVOICE now (being near model year-end). Competition is good for everyone. So are more choices.
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    I totally agree with your position on amber turn signals.
    As an engineer, I consider the fact that not using amber to denote the turn function is a major safety violation.
    US auto manufacturers do it because, well, lets face it, Ford and Chey and Dodge are junk.

    For a Japanese car manufacturer to implement red turn signals is a crime. I have always purchased Japanese cars due to their excelence in engineering and attention to detail.

    So for me, the 2009 Pilot is a no go. As I have said many times before. If Honda engineers can't get the turn signals right (which is such an easy thing to do) what other significant engineering feature have they overlooked?.

    It also puzzles me that the Accord now has amber turn signals, yet the pilot doesn't.
    Probably attributed to the fact that the Pilot was designed in the USA by US based engineers who have become lazy. What Honda needs to do, is send the Pilot Design team back to Japan to get whipped into shape.

    Thank heaven for Toyota. At least they use amber turn signals.
  • toledo73toledo73 Posts: 58
    Agree with you on lack of amber. Much more visible. But, after looking at the pics, I wouldn't consider this Nissan Xterra look alike any way
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    The smart-key entry and start system is debatable because this facility is usually given as an option, I think. That Honda doesn’t offer this feature as a standard, perhaps after a market study, deemed it as superfluous. I personally I can live without it.

    The signal mirror not being amber, it appears from the production model (photos) that the glass (flashing) is transparent and perhaps is a question of changing the signal mirror bulb to something amber. The Pilot concept seems to have red flashing signal mirror.

    The HID front lights are also a debatable item. Good working HID are hard to maintain. HID involves two mechanism and one of these are prone to deteriorate making oscillate the light. The replacement costs a lot of money and I could justify HID if you have the money to keep the lights in good working order
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    Please check this photo of a 2009 Pilot (production model):

    imageSee more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com

    It appears from the photo that the signal mirror is just transparent. It is quite different than the Concept where the signal mirror, indeed looks as red.

    Are you not overreacting (like for example red is a criminal act, and so on)?
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    I don't think he was referring to the signal mirror lights.
    He was talking about the signal lights in the back.
    Remember the 1999/2000/2001 Odysseys? They all have red signal lights.
    Starting from 2002, Honda changed them to amber. Why?
    It appears to me that Honda never learned the lesson from it (styling over function?)
    Maybe 2-3 years later, they will somehow change the signal lights to amber again.
    Yes, there is always the MMC (mid-model change) 2-3 years into the future.

    Smart key is costly. Not every Acura model has it. Keep the key in your pocket or purse, and you can do whatever you need with the vehicle. No looking for keys with your hands full. Smart-key is also much more secured (encryption and code rolling).
    Imagine that your vehicle "recognizes" you as long as you have the Smart-key near you.

    HID: All my vehicles with HID lights have no issues at all after 7 years. The only downside is that some thieves are targeting HID headlights to steal... :mad:
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,985
    Photos are hitting the airwaves. Several handy to view ones are up at Straightline.

    Nice big empty in back:

    image
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    No - I am not over reacting.
    using red rear turn signals has been proven to confuse drivers following behind.
    there have been numerous caes studies comparing use of separate colors to denote brake vs turn. Test subjects were presented flashing red (turn) and momentary on red lights. They were asked to determine if the signal was braking or turn. Another set of test subjects were shown separate amber flashing and momentary on red lights. The second set of subjects (amber turn) were able to differentiate brake vs turn much faster than the first set of subjects.
    In a real world situation, fractions of a second at highway speeds could be a matter of life or death.
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    This is from Wikipedia:

    Presently, almost all countries outside North America require that all front, side and rear turn signals produce amber light. In North America the rear signals may be amber or red.

    Honda must have some compelling reasons to persist in using the red turning signal instead of the amber. I don’t believe is an oversight of Honda engineers. I think that the main reason (I might be wrong) is to prevent the Pilot being exported overseas. What other reasons could be? Just that the Honda engineers are all stupid?

    Majority of overseas country have to comply with the amber turning lights (front and rear), although I have seen in Europe (e.g. UK) that some cars especially old ones (Imported American cars) with red signal lights. I don’t see that European regulations will allow red instead of amber turning lights.
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    For those that despite rear red turning light bulb, cannot it be replaced with the same bulb as the front amber turn signals? Will the rear red plastic cover (production model) allows the transmission of the amber light through the red plastic? Are there some solutions to this inconvenience? I personally prefer the amber rear turning light than the red.
  • upstatedocupstatedoc Posts: 710
    I could see why they wouldn't switch to HID's (MDX has to be a notch above at all times) but it looks like they did away with the projector headlamps for '09. That seems like a step back to me. :(
  • edward25edward25 Posts: 3
    I have a different view of the new Pilot. For at least 5 years the auto indrustry has been increasing the size of each new model. That process is being totally stopped because of the cost of fuel. However the change takes about 3 years to complete. Most auto manufactures got caught unprepared for the change. Those models that are still growing (e.g. Highlander, Sequoia, 4Runner) are, as they say, DOA...dead on arrival. If the new Pilot is not 5% smaller that the 2008 Pilot, it also will be DOA. What that means is fewer sales, but more importantly a highly diminished resale value. Check the internet for Highlander and Sequois national sales and you'll see the incredible bind that Toyota now faces (including closed factories).
  • edward25edward25 Posts: 3
    Less gas mileage than the 2008 Pilot. As they say, DOA. Edward
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,601
    Personally - I don't care about red vs amber.

    Why Honda uses red? IMHO, it's because this vehicle is designed for for the North American market and is not expected to be exported overseas by Honda hence no need for the increased costs to manufacture a multi-color lens. Further, it allows Honda to perhaps introduce them mid cycle as an upgrade.

    HID lights? Not needed on Hondas as the market doesn't demand it. Once the competition starts offering HID's, then it'll be needed. But until then, most people aren't willing to pay the extra price. Same with Smart Key. Again, they might offer it on the Touring at mid cycle but until the competition offers it and the market clamors for it, it's not going to happen.
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    OK but why pushing so strongly in having HID in the Pilot?

    Motorists, appreciate the improved night-time’s visibility from HID headlamps but object to the glare they can cause. Internationalized European vehicle regulations require such headlamps to be equipped with lens cleaners and an automatic self-leveling system to keep the beams aimed correctly regardless of vehicle load and attitude (increasing costs and maintenance), but no such devices are required in North America, where inherently more glaring beam patterns are also permitted. Retrofitting HID bulbs in headlamps not originally designed to accept those results in extremely high levels of glare, and is illegal throughout most of the world.

    A standard headlight bulb costs a few dollars while a HID may cost hundredth of dollars.

    It appears to me that not having HID in the Pilot was a wise decision by Honda.
  • upstatedocupstatedoc Posts: 710
    I agree, HID's are not for the Pilot, but I think projectors throw a brighter, cleaner light and I can't figure out why Honda took them out of the '09. :confuse:
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    Once the Bush administration is gone (hopefully) it is very probably that petrol prices will go down. The price of petrol is a political matter, cars are not. SUV with 7-8 seats will be always a necessity for families with children and grand children as a whole. After researching so many SUVs I like the 2009 Pilot and I see that this car will solve my immediate needs before I drop dead.
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    This is the rear of a 2009 Pilot

    imageSee more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com

    I would like to see a more aggressive dual exhaust pipe tip in the Pilot. The tips just look as water pipes end. There is not style. The Tucson and Sportage have better exhaust tips than the Pilot.

    The Outlook, VUE, and CX-9 have good looking dual exhaust tips.
  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    I've owned two Pilots and my 2006 has been great except for the plastic dash. Never thot this was an issue until I recently drove in a Veracruz and Acadia and realized Honda wasn't playin for keeps anymore.

    After seeing the interior of the new Pilot, with its acres of plastic and while realizing all of the competitors are using soft-touch surfaces, there is no way I am buying a Pilot this time.

    The exterior of the 09 is brutal and uninspiring. This is a redesign? It's a throwback to what could be rebadged Isuzu product of the past.

    I've got my ticket to either Veracruz or Acadia and it ain't on a Honda Jet either.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    The price of petrol is a political matter, cars are not.

    Perhaps you would be interested in the Politics discussion so we can continue to talk about the cars here without distraction. :)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
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