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2009 Honda Pilot

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  • semantic2semantic2 Posts: 28
    Okay, but that dip dosn't count for 8 cubic ft. Maybe 4.

    it's got to come somewhere. i mean the total length of a highlander is only 188 cu in versus 190.9 on the pilot... so it doesn't make sense?

    It has to fit an adult comfortably

    sure the bench in the 2nd row fits a 6+ ft adult fine. as for the rear. I haven't had a complaint with that size adult although he has never said anything to me and my best buddy and friend are around 6'3 although one weighs 220lbs and the other 245 and i fit them back both there to test comfortablility. :)
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    it's got to come somewhere. i mean the total length of a highlander is only 188 cu in versus 190.9 on the pilot... so it doesn't make sense?

    Just because it's smaller outside, doesn't make it smaller inside. The Honda Odyssey is almost 2ft shorter than the Suburban, yet it has MORE cargo space. Now that does have to do with unibody vs body on frame, but ut works as an example. The Highlande must just use its space more efficiently.

    I haven't had a complaint with that size adult although he has never said anything to me and my best buddy and friend are around 6'3 although one weighs 220lbs and the other 245 and i fit them back both there to test comfortablility.

    Sorry to tell you this, but they are just being nice to you. They don't want to hurt your feelings. Just don't put them back there more than 15-20 minutes, or they won't be your friends anymore.

    And did you seriously ask if the Suburban was over 200 inches?! It's 220!
  • semantic2semantic2 Posts: 28
    Just because it's smaller outside, doesn't make it smaller inside. The Honda Odyssey is almost 2ft shorter than the Suburban, yet it has MORE cargo space. Now that does have to do with unibody vs body on frame, but ut works as an example. The Highlande must just use its space more efficiently.

    yes but we don't own either so that is beside the point. however we do own a highlander and my friends do complain in the back seat of it. however, like i said before they didn't complain in the pilot. but hey i don't really care if they don't like it. as long as they fit back there. hehehehe so i take it with a grain of salt.after all i am the one driving and not them. hell they should pay for my tank of gas. :P a suburban is nice and big but it does not have a v6 it has a v8 and what the hell am i going to do with that when it doesn't meet my requirements?

    but hey if a highlander floats your boat or a suburban. that's cool. we all prefer different things. I like maximum power, space, hauling within the confines of a v6 because i see no point in ever having to go to a v8. it would also be nice with technical goodies. however, there isn't much glorifed here in the highlander except for the acadia with niceties. but as i stated before i just don't like captain's chairs so it was narrowed down.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    I'm not comparing the Sububrban. I was just giving an example. I was comparing the Highlander and saying it must use the space it has more efficiently to get maximum cargo space. I never suggested you should get a V-8.
  • powder73powder73 Posts: 15
    A long long time ago (not so long but okay...8-9 years ago :P ) i had an odyssey and while not perfect it was a very good van..in fact i think the best i had...but living in snow province of quebec and still needing a van we had to switch to the sienna..the only one with awd... not a bad hauler for my 4 kids and wife but hey..a van is a van....

    forward to now.....thank god they found a solution to big family that doesn't rhyme with van or suburban !!! My wife was decided (it's her car.)...we had tried a full weekend an acadia .....beautiful car.....but like any sane person we had to at least see the competition..you know just to be sure we made the best choice....so first the highlander....just so you know i'm 6'2'' and i weight too much for my taste...so when i drive it's all the way back....back to my test driving.....highlander is nice but too small for 6 people....7 if you count the dog!!!

    So then i tough we had it..acadia here i come....but then i remember an article in edmunds talking about the new pilot 2009...what the heck....i tell my wife let's go see the pilot...the 2009 suppose to be bigger with lots of space inside...so here i am after 9 years..place hasn't change...a cramp little honda garage that look ugly compared to the new bigger and roomier showroom....and the guy keep talking about the pilot...and how good it is compare to the acadia and bla bla bla...my mind goes ''hmmm keep talking but hey it's my wife i said i would let her choose..''

    Then his best move ...he give us the keys and tell us to go get lost with the pilot and that when we come back our sienna would have been appraise....hmmm now that i like..a lot....no saleperson with you....no stress...you can try every little thing and take your time......

    So i enter...wow lot'S of space...even the passenger side is huge for me....lot's of space for my legs...altough not super comfortable my wife can sit behind me while i drive so for the kids it's more then ok....the driving is smooth..i love it but keep it to myself...the look and feel remind me a truck and i love truck....as simple as that the acadia take a drop...i want a pilot....but hey it's not my car..plus in my mind it must cost more then an acadia.....wrong..we choose a touring and omg the price is cheaper then an acadia..6k i think....(for us canadian..i won't even go to the differnece between us and canada it make me sick when i think about the 10k difference we have)

    So after a good test we head out to the gmc dealer...talking about how good the pilot was but my wife doesn't look the ''truck look'' so for her it's still an acadia,,,,until she drive it....because it was still fresh i let her drive first then i try it myself...not bad but i don't know how to tell it but not as crisp as the pilot....but for the rest it's like a second home to me...i have a suburban.The interior, the dash, the radio...it's the same....and the finish isn't as good....plus after reading the multitude problem of the acadia in forums(it still a good car afterall i bought a sienna awd and a suburban and looking at the forum you'd think i'm crazy) i'm less incline to the acadia...

    So the test is over and we head to another honda dealer that had a touring just to see all the option and if it was good or not....and hey what the heck let's drive it again.....this time i let her drive mostly all the time...it's her car she must enjoy it or the next 4 years will be :sick: ...After driving and inside the van she look at me and say : '' i hate you :P ...the pilot is much better and this is the car i want!!!''

    So here i am.....next monday our pilot should arrive (they found one) and we can't wait to try it fully....after reading the manual ( i know i know but i can help it...i always beg for a manual so i can read it before..... :shades: ) wow....fully compatible ipod config,bluetooth and voice control calling,gps,xm,rear camera, parking sensor both front and behind and on and on..it's amazing....

    Plus even fully packed it's still an 8 passenger cars.....just try to find a 8 passengers fully load acadia...well don't try cause it doesn't exist...and for me 8 is important....i made the mistake of buying a 6 passengers suburban and while it's spacious for everyone no one but us can come along....

    Anyway i hope you'Re not to bored reading my little story.....and please excuse for the multitude error i'm french canadian and altough my english not to bad my grammar is horrible...

    P.S: Don't compare the pilot or the highlander with the subarban....i have one and inside it's a cave...nothing get close to it....not even my van....they can chew number like they want in reality...anyway the one i am in...the suburban rule then all....and cost so much is fuel you'll cry!!!!LMAO
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    Plus even fully packed it's still an 8 passenger cars.....just try to find a 8 passengers fully load acadia...well don't try cause it doesn't exist...

    Um,,, the Acadia does seat eight, or seven, and has the best third row of any Crossover.

    the suburban rule then all....

    Nope. Minivans have more cargo space, and seat 7, or 8 (Sienna) more comfortably. Also, I have to disagree that the Pilot's dash is good looking. I think it is way too busy and overstyled to be attractive.

    Sorry everyone, back on topic. I've heard from friends that the new Pilot is underpowered. Does anyone else agree?
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Nope. Minivans have more cargo space, and seat 7, or 8 (Sienna) more comfortably.

    Nope, actually the Suburban has more cargo space than the Sienna or Odyssey with the 3 seats in place. With seats folded, the minivans do tend to have more space.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Must be crazy to buy the 2009 Pilot. Cars always have bugs in the 1st year of production. I just tested one black 2009 Pilot at Gatineau Honda (Quebec) and:
    _ when driving straight, the steering wheel was not actually straight (I had to keep it about 30 degrees turned to the left, for the car to drive straight).
    _ after a 10 minutes test drive, when we stopped back at the dealer, the salesman said: "It smells like a new car". With the engine shutdown I lifted the hood a couple of inches and smelled. It was smelling like burnt oil. I said:"this is burnt oil smell, not brand-new car smell, it's an obvious difference". The guy said nothing ...
    _ I said:"Someone must be crazy to buy a 1st year production car". The guy said nothing ...
    _ under the car the rust protection simply is not there. My 2008 has lots of areas covered !
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    With the engine shutdown I lifted the hood a couple of inches and smelled. It was smelling like burnt oil. I said:"this is burnt oil smell, not brand-new car smell, it's an obvious difference". The guy said nothing

    That's too bad the salesman dod not answer your questions. However, you are wrong. It is not burnt oil, it is in fact a "new car smell" called Cosmoline. It is a petroleum product that coats the exhaust system, and it needs to burn off. It prevents the exhaust from rusting out.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Interesting ...
    Wikipedia says that:
    "Cosmoline is the purified residue obtained from the distillation of petroleum oils".

    So it's an oil burning on the exhaust. It's exactly what I was smelling. It's amazing he didn't know that. Actually I remember now that he repeatedly said that he had just started learning about the new Pilot ...

    Except that smell (which will go away) and the off-center steering wheel, the car drove nicely. It's a pity the gas sells in Quebec for CAN$ 1.40 the liter.

    If 1 gallon = 3.785 liters, that's CAN$ 5.3 per gallon.
    If CAN$ 1 = US$ 0.981, then the gas sells in Quebec for US$ 5.2 per gallon !!! :sick:

    That's way more expensive than what you are paying in USA !

    Peace
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    Nope, actually the Suburban has more cargo space than the Sienna or Odyssey with the 3 seats in place. With seats folded, the minivans do tend to have more space.

    Minivans aren't off by much. The difference is their load floor is deep in the back, while the Suburban's is long.
  • namelessnameless Posts: 5
    I wouldn't agree that your findings should deter you from buying a newly designed model. The steering could just be an alignment issue as a result of numerous test drives. The smell you encountered could be the same reason. Keep in mind that it is a demo vehicle your driving, and I wouldn't be suprised on how many times it must have been taken out. And some shoppers, like myself, like to push the car during test drives (i.e. running over bumps and popholes, speeding then breaking, etc.) so it can suffer alignment issues.

    So it's kind of a general statement to make to say that all 1st year models have bugs.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Sure, it was a general statement that the 1st year models have bugs.

    Still the 2009 Pilot I drove had only 8 kms (5 miles) on its odometer, so I doubt somebody drove it before myself. The dealership had received it the day before - it was not even washed after shipping. I would conclude that it came misaligned from the factory.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    Keep in mind that most dealers are lazy on prep-ing a new vehicles that just arrives.
    It is not unusual to see tires got inflated way too high (a must for transportation to prevent flat-spotting on ships or trains). There is a long procedure to go through when dealer get a new vehicle, but they usually are too quick to check all the boxes on the form.... The tires could be inflated to way different pressure causing mis-aligned steering wheel. Just one of the possibilities.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    And some shoppers, like myself, like to push the car during test drives (i.e. running over bumps and popholes, speeding then breaking, etc.) so it can suffer alignment issues.

    Yes, some of us are hell-bent on getting a true feel for a model in a 20 minute experience. I'm not proud of some of the things I've done on my test drives- especially in the cars I knew I wouldn't buy.
  • tmarinertmariner Posts: 10
    I took a liesurely, brief test drive of the Pilot and liked it. But a few years ago I test drove a Ford SHO with a typically lazy, but car-crazy salesman. Obviously had to drive it like an SHO. When we got back from the test drive the salesman said, "I didn't know that car could do that.". My intent was not to impress him, but find out if the new model was as good as my old one.

    As we were driving out of the dealer's lot, the salesman was slapping dealer plates on the car himself for a solo drive to see if was as much fun when he drove it.
  • rlevensonrlevenson Posts: 7
    About one month ago, I took possession of my 3rd Pilot having owned a 2003 and a 2006.

    I must say that this model is the very best so far. The ride is great, tire roar/inside cabin noise is way down, and the interior is among the best I've seen. Even the standard bells and whistles that come on this model are awesome. I have no complaints and, if it weren't for the price of gas, would consider this car/truck the perfect vehicle. Honda has really outdone itself this time - and no - I don't work for Honda.

    I also got a great deal from my salesman, including having the balance of my car loan on the 2006 paid off by Honda.
  • nikbertnikbert Posts: 20
    In the new comparo, Pilot's shipped tires have been criticized. Anyone knows any better tires (all season) suitable for Pilot and how to get them in lieu of the standard ones?
  • I unfortunately don't have an answer to your question but I'm very interested in this as well. I was all set to purchase the 09 Pilot Touring and then read the Edmunds review with its criticism of braking (& tires)...Now I'm not sure what to do. I certainly don't want to be buying an unsafe vehicle and I don't know how to evaluate how serious of a concern this should be to a potential buyer. Anyone care to share what they thought about the braking/tire issue raised in the review? Is this a deal breaker? Thanks so much for your help!
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    Choosing the right tire is a trade-off among many factors. CX9 does not have cheap tires on them (thanks, Mazda!).
    The V-rated OE tire (high-performance all season) is being sold at tirerack.com for $192 per. (and tirerack.com is being known for low prices)

    Besides tires, the braking system might be insufficient for such a heavy vehicle. CX9 uses four wheel ventilated rotors. Not sure about Pilot or Highlander.
    I have owned many Honda vehicles, none of them impressed me with good braking...
  • nikbertnikbert Posts: 20
    what I find really strange is that Pilot 60-0 results were 149 feet and Ody (from an earlier Edmunds test) was about 131 feet. That just doesn't make sense to me, too much difference...
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    Vehicles tested on different days on different pavements may create such discrepancy. This is not surprising. Therefore, you can only trust the relative distances of stopping among the three. Even that, take it with a grain of salt.

    I recall that ConsumersReport tested CX9 at 159ft and proclaimed that CX9 under performed in stopping compared with others they tested. Magazine does screw up sometimes. Maybe they meant 139ft.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    2005 Pilot

    Dry pavement 131'
    Wet pavement 157'
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    I took a liesurely, brief test drive of the Pilot and liked it. But a few years ago I test drove a Ford SHO with a typically lazy, but car-crazy salesman. Obviously had to drive it like an SHO. When we got back from the test drive the salesman said, "I didn't know that car could do that.". My intent was not to impress him, but find out if the new model was as good as my old one

    Heh. I'll admit. I don't always go all out, but I always put my foot to the floor to test pick-up. And I always do quick lane changes. My worst was probably the 5 series I drove before I bought mine. But seeing that these cars would serve two differnet purposes, I could see leisurely driving a Pilot. It's a family chauler, not a car you take out for fun.
  • powder73powder73 Posts: 15
    Must be crazy to buy the 2009 Pilot. Cars always have bugs in the 1st year of production
    You know..i do prefer the i wouldn't buy a first year model to the must be crazy to buy the 2009. One imply you have a different opinion and the other that you are god and therefore know the truth and can judge other action..... :mad: oh and about the 8 seated passenger on the acadia it's my fault i was referring to the top model...as long as you stay on the basin model you'll find plenty 8 passenger option but none when you choose a higher model...i know this for a fact

    I always buy first year model..did it with the odyssey,the sienna awd (first year ever toyota awd), the suburban 2007 and oh the vw passat.....and none..none and any problem...none. period. So before making comment on my mental stability maybe you should be happy some of us buy the first year model so chicken people can safely wait 1 or 2 year....

    Back on the topic (sorry but i had to get it out)....after being gone for a week i fully test it yesterday doing a 5 hour trip...and i was simply amazed.....now it's purely personal...but for me the acceleration and braking was very good...in fact as good as i would expect. The hand free bluetooth system is out of this world....it.s a matter of pressing a button then telling the number and voila...done deal and the communicatio is clear from both side....amazing....gps is good...ok i didn't say super because i come from a garmin nuivi and to me it's the reference...right now the honda gps doesn,t have all the street the garmin has. I had to get use to the bird eye view but i like the fact that you can split the screen in 2 with all the turn on the right side so you can keep track in advance of what is coming....

    The stereo system and quite frankly the best i had so far.....sound is crisp the subwoofer add a bang to the sound......the dvd player was a first ( i resist until now even if i have 4 kids...go figure i must be crazy) and so far it work pretty good...

    Xm radio is standard altough it's very nice to be able to see everything on the navigation screen....talking about the nav screen i forgot earlier....the acadian had a touch screen but this one has a big dial button. Having tried both the dial is god given. In theory a touchscreen is faster and easier but in practice give me a big button anything....more so while driving...

    hmmm..let see...oh yes the ipod connection is another very nice option....no more fiddling the ipod while driving...you can acces everything from the navigationnal screen..amazing...

    So far i love the seat...very confortable yet they have a good firm support...handling is very good also..well to my taste.....the wheel feel stiff and the direction is crisp...coming from a van and a suburan let me tell it turn on a dime... :P

    Lots of space..lots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It's easy to seat the kids on the third row seat and when you do the 3 2nd row and 4th third row with the 60/split you have more then enough space to go shopping.

    Anyway so far so good....during the trip i was at 10.7l/100km so for me it's better then the van (12.2) or the burb (16.6 ouch!!). Unlike the suburban this honda motor use the economical mode as soon as he can and you don'T even notice it...

    Can't wait to try it on snow!!!!!!Love it so far!!!
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I would totally buy a Honda its first year model run. Honda, is known for its great cars and backed with great service. Many of their new models still have the same parts, but different body. The Accord has been running quite well.

    Another issue, is that the Pilot looks more like a Ford Escape now, and less upscale on the exterior than the previous model.Than you have a really nice interior, that does not match, the nice, but yet casual exterior. It seems as though Honda is really taking a lot of help from Acura, its co-company, especially when it comes to the interior.

    Now, they need to offer hybrid technology for this car, it would work great, and people that need more than just a car, could use this, and get a world of difference in mileage. Now, only offer the option if it is not insanely high in price, otherwise financially it would not make sense. I am hoping the will offer the option on the Accord, which at some point, I feel they will, but they have to consider Toyota's decent pricing in the camry hybrid.

    Now, you have to ask yourself, what can this car do, that the CR-V, which is much cheaper, cannot do.
  • poodog13poodog13 Posts: 320
    Now, you have to ask yourself, what can this car do, that the CR-V, which is much cheaper, cannot do.

    Seat eight!
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Other than sits 8 ...

    Remote Trunk/Tailgate Release
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    3.5L V6
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    Homelink Remote System
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    Tow Capacity: 4500-lb
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    roominess
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  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    Not Homelink remote.
    Anyone can buy a Gentex mirror and install Homelink remote on their vehicle.
    It is as good as OE mirror.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,297
    I always buy first year model

    "Consumers often delay purchasing a model in its first year, waiting for the manufacturer to get the so-called bugs out," said Joe Ivers, partner and executive director of quality/customer satisfaction at J.D. Power and Associates. "Yet, the quality of most new-model launches is actually very good. Some manufacturers have virtually eliminated the launch-year quality drop-off. A few have even demonstrated a pattern of launching models with better initial quality than the models they replaced."

    New/Redesigned Models Often Record Better Initial Quality Than The Vehicles They Replace, But Not in Every Case

    I think the "Not in Every Case" refers to the rollouts at the Nissan Canton plant when it was new or maybe the supplier issues in Alabama at the Mercedes plant when it first opened.

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