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New Saturn VUE Green Line Owners -Give Us Your Report

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  • chmsommchmsomm Posts: 36
    Can anyone provide info on the number of 2007 Green Lines sold?

    I was wondering about the percentage/fraction of Green Lines with electrical problems?

    Assuming, which can be bad, that only owners with problems would be most likely to make posts.

    Thanks
  • gunga64gunga64 Posts: 271
    Haven't checked here for a few months.
    25-30 MPG for the VUE isn't that impressive to me. Considering other manufactors are starting to show better MPG on gas alone. These insane electrical issues that can't seem to be solved is another concern. Thank you for your reports, seems to me I need to look elsewhere.
  • cak0219cak0219 Posts: 8
    I'm considering a VUE - I have the Hybrid at home this evening for an 'over-nighter'. I really like the auto-off and I tend to coast anyway, so after reading about that here, I might get pretty good mileage. I'm still not sold yet, though.

    I've read some other people's input who say it is quiet. Having just dropped off a Hyundai Santa Fe, the VUE seems pretty noisy (road and tire noise). But, I realize it doesn't have all the amenities of other SUV's, but with the price in the same range, I was expecting a little more for the money.

    The biggest question arose when I was asked if there have been any safety tests done with regard to the battery if you're in an accident? Could there be issues with batteries exploding, or battery acid being thrown about?

    Does anyone know about this? I've done a little research on hybrids in general, but haven't found anything yet on this.

    Thanks.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,788
    "The biggest question arose when I was asked if there have been any safety tests done with regard to the battery if you're in an accident? Could there be issues with batteries exploding, or battery acid being thrown about?"

    1. I think the gas would explode long before the batteries went. These are NiMh; the "exploding" batteries one reads about are LiIon.

    2. I believe you are thinking of lead-acid batteries when you speak of acid being thrown around. I have seen nothing to indicate there is any danger of such an event.

    The only published concerns are from emergency workers who are worried about the high voltage wires being cut during a "jaws of life" rescue. However the wires are brightly colored, and I haven't seen any reports on this issue lately.
  • cak0219cak0219 Posts: 8
    Thanks for the battery lesson. I'm not familiar with Hybrids and am just getting into them.

    After reading the discussions here, I'm seeing a lot of electrical issues. My dealer (of course) says there are no problems with electrcial system or getting parts to fix them.

    First year cars often have issues. I need to see when the '08 (Hybrid) might be coming out. I think I'd feel better after they've had more experience with them.

    Thanks for your input.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,788
    "After reading the discussions here, I'm seeing a lot of electrical issues. My dealer (of course) says there are no problems with electrcial system or getting parts to fix them."

    Keep in mind that the Saturn belt hybrid system is simpler than the Toyota HSD, but it is also a new implementation, and it is not as efficient as a dual mode hybrid (HSD).

    If you are worried about electrical components, you might want to go for either the Ford Escape Hybrid or the Highlander Hybrid. Here is my short summary based on my reading and experience.

    FEH: Rides more like a truck (you may or may not like that in an SUV), but has a 4 cylinder engine (plus). Can achive mid 30's for in-town MPG. I personally found the truck to feel a bit "tippy" (but that was a 2006 model), and stability control is not offered on the hybrid model.

    HH: Rides very smooth (a Toyota design intention), but has a 6 cylinder engine. Can achieve upper 20's MPG in town. There have been considerable comments on the fact that the HH runs the ICE for a longer time than the Prius or Camry Hybrids.

    To get these kinds of MPG, you have to drive it like a hybrid - it is a learning process. If you drive either of these vehicles hard, you will get low 20's (HH) or upper 20's (FEH).
  • dsauvagedsauvage Posts: 2
    The Saturn Vue Hybrid I purchased is only 2 months old and I have had to replace one because parts were rattling in the door and dash and the second one already had a blowout that almost flipped the car. Onstar took forever to send someone out. They now suggest a get a spare at my expense and put it in the cargo area. So now I can smell rubber the whole ride and have lost all of my storage space. Geeh. I wanted to return it but customer friendly Saturn told me no. They told me this after 1 week of their discussing it. I have owned many new cars in my life, but have never been so totally disgusted as I have been by this purchase. By the way, I am averaging 22 miles to the gallon on open road - my old SUV did about the same. Wish I had stuck with Toyota. Instead this $24K car is made of plastic that rattles and has no tire or place for one to address safety on the road. Buyer beware. Their pledge of 100% satisfaction is bogus. I got 100% taken advantage of and want to help others so that they are not like me. :sick:
  • dsauvagedsauvage Posts: 2
    The Saturn Vue Hybrid I purchased is only 2 months old and I have had to replace one because parts were rattling in the door and dash and the second one already had a blowout that almost flipped the car. Onstar took forever to send someone out. They now suggest a get a spare at my expense and put it in the cargo area. So now I can smell rubber the whole ride and have lost all of my storage space. Geeh. I wanted to return it but customer friendly Saturn told me no. They told me this after 1 week of their discussing it. I have owned many new cars in my life, but have never been so totally disgusted as I have been by this purchase. By the way, I am averaging 22 miles to the gallon on open road - my old SUV did about the same. Wish I had stuck with Toyota. Instead this $24K car is made of plastic that rattles and has no tire or place for one to address safety on the road. Buyer beware. Their pledge of 100% satisfaction is bogus. I got 100% taken advantage of and want to help others so that they are not like me. :sick:
  • i had the wiring harness replaced 3 weeks ago. the result is that the battery warning light and the check engine light have stayed off. i hope that this will be the final fix although i am sort of sorry that i didn't buy the ford escape hybrid. since i keep my cars 10-15 years, i hope the remorse doesn't stay
  • We've had the Hybrid Vue for about 11,000 miles and love it. You do have to learn to drive it differently (it's not a Ferrari after all). The gas mileage is about 27/30 mpg. We have the battery harness problem, were waiting for the new part and the car died smack in the middle of a well-traveled road leaving my wife and daughter stranded and in a bad location. The dealer was pretty good about responding to the problem, although they did tell us it was safe to drive while we waited for the harness to arrive. It wasn't.

    I like the vehicle, but it's got me worried now. We'll see how it goes from here... :sick:
  • Our harness was replaced about 3-4 weeks ago (around 3,500 on our vue) and it sees to be working fine now. We're keeping our fingers crossed.
  • joncanadajoncanada Posts: 29
    After just a week and a half and 800 kilometers (500 miles) with our 2007 Vue Hybrid, the hybrid component stopped working. The battery warning light, abs light, and various other dash light components came on shortly thereafter. I spoke with Saturn and had an onstar diagnostic done which returned nothing and was told the vehicle was safe to drive.

    When I drove the vehicle next that evening, and parked the vehicle it would not start. After about 15 minutes of trying, I was able to start the vehicle only to drive a couple blocks and have all the interior lights start flashing. The power was dying completely, coming on again, and the power steering was shutting off while driving. I turned on to a side street to have the vehicle die completely. The vehicle would not start but was strangely beeping, and making various other unwarranted noises including ejecting the CD on it's own. It felt like I was in a strange horror movie about a posessed car.

    It took 2 hours for a tow truck to arrive and tow our vehicle into the dealership. It's now been in the dealership for over 2 weeks (longer than we've had the vehicle). First they had to replace the harness, now they are waiting on a battery pack which is missing in transit without the ability of being tracked. It will be at least another 5 days before we get our vehicle back, and hopefully it won't have any further problems - nothing like saying 'hopefully' about a $30000CDN purchase. Ouch.
  • A couple additional points. High voltage wiring is run through the middle of the vehicle -- away from where "jaws of life" are typically needed. The wiring is also color coded so that rescue workers can more easily identify them. An airbag deployment also automatically disconnects the high voltage battery.

    Kyle Johnson
    Saturn Communications
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I have a question. If you are out in the desert and hit a bump real hard or happen to bounce off of a rock and an airbag deploys, are you stuck there until Saturn can reconnect the power?
  • This stuff gets complicated pretty quickly, but here's a simplified explanation.

    When an airbag deploys, the vehicle propulsion system (hybrid or non-hybrid) immediately stalls or is shutdown. If a rear impact was detected by a special sensor the hybrid battery contact will remain open but the vehicle will continue to drive under normal gas 12 volt system until you turn the vehicle off.

    If the driver tries to re-start the vehicle after an airbag deployment, normal hybrid operation propulsion will occur as long a no diagnostic codes are set on the new start up...ie wires cut, damage to hybrid system, etc.

    Naturally, you should check for suspension and underbody damage if you hit a rock hard enough to cause an airbag deployment.
  • Through yesterday, 6,395 '07 Saturn Vue Green Line vehicles have been sold.
  • chmsommchmsomm Posts: 36
    Because of this Edmund's forum I knew what to do. Thanks Edmunds for putting this forum together.

    The battery light, followed by the check engine light, came on at 2000 miles while on some errands around town.

    We parked it in our driveway and called roadside assistance.

    We had it towed to the dealer. They seem to have some experience (is that good or bad?) with the hybrid Vue and Aura. They diagnosed it as the harness, and are overnighting a new one.

    We had a loaner and was out of there in 15 minutes.

    We will see if the repaired Green Line is ready as promised tomorrow evening.

    I hope everything works out for this vehicle as both my wife and I really like it. The performance of the Green Line (acceleration, handling) in suburban driving conditions has been excellent. I was getting 25 mpg to work in some pretty brutal Philly commuting conditions. My wife is now getting 27-28 commuting to her job, which is an easier drive.

    One comment to Saturn. If there were less than 6,500 of these sold, you should have replaced the defective wiring up-front.

    You could end up killing someone if the vehicle stops on an interstate or otherwise busy road.
  • i had th wiring harness replaced which was the 4th & fina fix for the battery light/check engine light issue. it has been approx 1 month now and have had no more issues with the lights. as a side bonus, my air conditioner works better now than it has ever done. this is a big plus in southern california in the summer.
  • jray14jray14 Posts: 5
    Thanks for this thread pf_flyer. I just got my Greenline Vue about six weeks ago and had auto stop issues from the get-go, which culminated in the now infamous battery harness replacement (I still find that the autostop disengages prematurely at long lights - even in ECO A/C mode-anybody else getting that?). The dealer has been good about it, but I suspect they knew about the potential for these problems and of course opted to say nothing. My biggest concern, as reported by another member, is that the dealer suggested it was safe to drive for the week I waited for the new harness. My car died the next day after losing electrical function in one component at a time, ultimately losing the power steering as I pulled into a parking lot. Anyway, I too hope that the harness does the trick - just remember: IF YOU HAVE THIS PROBLEM, DON'T DRIVE IT ANYMORE - MAKE THE DEALER GIVE YOU A LOANER.
  • joncanadajoncanada Posts: 29
    We have got our vehicle back with the new battery harness and for the most part it is working well now.

    We are however having the same problem with the auto-stop disengaging after being stopped for more than 60 seconds or so. Can others please post their experience with having or not having this issue?
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