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Mitsubishi Montero

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  • beazlebeazle Posts: 11
    Brillmtb, re your response to #1622, the snow was new and not too cold. What ever tread the o.e. Geolanders have were filled with compacted snow.

    On a different subject, I have recently noticed that when turning a corner or or making aggressive lane change moves, there appears to be a "stiff spot" in the steering, where I have to use more force on the wheel to overcome it. After more force is applied, and the spot is passed through, it seems to return to normal. Has anyone else experienced this? I have not had it checked out by service yet, but will soon.
  • phonosphonos Posts: 204
    From: http://www.outdoorwire.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=69&t=005762&p=


    There is another Aussie company called Tough Dog Suspensions who have recently released a shock/ spring replacement for the GenIII Pajero.


     The stage 1 gives a 40mm lift and the stage 2 gives a 70mm lift. I don't know how much it costs.


    From the review in the 4x4 magazine they were very inpressed with the handling and improved ability of the Pajero off road.

  • phonosphonos Posts: 204
    Sent an e-mail to ARB-USA regarding the kit mentioned by Brill in post 1643 above. Received back an e-mail to contact Overlander in Huntington Beach, CA. E-mail response from Overlander follows:

    We carry the 2001 Montero suspension from Old Man Emu but we are out-of-stock at

    the moment. We have sold several of them and they are VERY well liked. We do

    sell over-the-counter and we do have a small showroom in HB at 5592

    Buckingham Dr near Graham and Bolsa. Hours are M-F 8-5 PST.


    We are not presently publishing a catalog as stated on our web site but feel

    free to call us to order a suspension or to arrange a visit.


    Thank you for your inquiry.


    --

    Overlander Outfitters Sales Dept.

    Toll Free: 877/SUV-GEAR (877/788-4327)

    Local: 714/379-2440

    Fax: 714-379-2442

    Web Site: http://www.overlander.com

    E-Mail: info@overlander.com


    Actually the Old Man Emu Kit is shown on their website:

    Mitsubishi
    Part No. AB91800; for 2001-02 Montero; consists of 4 coils, 4 shocks; Lift - 1.5"; [List $632.00]; Sell $569.00
  • homer61388homer61388 Posts: 54
    Ok, I am currently looking for a new suv. I am looking for a nice suv with all the nice features, you know leather, heated seats, power everything, a sophisticated 4wd system, and a nice suspension and brakes, you know everything as usual. Well, I do a lot of hauling around of children and luggage and I need something that is roomy. Well, I am driving a 1999 Chevrolet blazer LT. One thing that it is missing is a third row of seats so I DEFINITELY NEED SOMETHING WITH 3 rows of seats. The blazer always had enough power although it was a little rough, the 4300 had plenty of pull. That is the only concern regarding the montero. It is only powered by a 3500!!! I don't think that a 3.5 V6 has enough pull for a 4,600 lbs vehicle!! What I don't understand is that the towing capacity is rated at 5,000lbs! That would be enough for me, but I can't imagine this vehicle towing that much!! This would bog the engine down to an unbelievable level!! Well, I just want to know how the engine actually performs. Should I look for another candidate? What do you recommend? I am looking for safety as well so make sure that any possible recommendations are coupled with safety. Thanks for your responses!!
  • njjohnnytnjjohnnyt Posts: 1
    Has anyone had a problem with the "miles-to-go" gasoline level readout on the LCD? I own a 2001 Limited, and with the last few fillups, this reading will only max out at about 50 mi, and then slowly work its way down to 0. The regular dash gas level gauge (dial) works just fine.

    I was hoping someone out there might know of a quick fix. Thanks.

    John
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    I hate to recommend this and will probably get roasted by the Regulars here but :)....

    For your situation, I strongly recommend checking the new Honda Pilot out. I stopped and looked at one the other day and was VERY impressed.

    Is has a fold down 3rd row and the SUV seats a total of EIGHT people. The room is amazing without feeling like your driving an Expedition. The convenience things they thought about are Amazing IMO. If your not looking for a hard core off roader but a good family type SUV.... I think this one may just be the new Class leader.

    Upsides are 240hp, lots of room, available DVD or GPS Mapping, 8 passanger with easy fold down or up 3rd row. Loaded version is cheaper than a Monty Limited.

    Downside.. Not a hard core off road truck like the Monty. Styling not as unique and no available sunrood yet.

    I'd check it out.
    Drew
  • mkayemkaye Posts: 184
    Not to flame Drew, but if you want to tow 4500lbs., the Pilot is not the vehicle of choice. Weak tranny for one thing. MDX's have had problems as tow vehicles. The Pilot REQUIRES the cooler package to tow, otherwise voided warranty. And the tow package can be up to $1000 bucks at the dealer. And don't forget, that is a 4500lb BOAT (with lower wind resistance), the max for a trailer is 3500lbs.
    The Monty may not be the best choice either as a routine 5Klbs. tow vehicle, especially on grades. You may be better off with Suburban, Tahoe, or Expedition.
    The Monty interior is far better than the Pilot, the quality of leather, for example, is heads above the Pilot.
    Plus, try finding a Pilot for sticker or less and without $2K to $9K in market adjustment and dealer installed options. Actual pricing can probably get the Monty for a better deal than a Pilot right now.
    The Monty does need more umpphhh in the engine department.
    The Pilot is also a front-wheel drive vehicle with AWD capability. The Monty is a true 4WD with complete AWD capability with the Active-Trac 4WD. The only time the Pilot can be 'locked' in 4wd is under 18mph.
    Although the Pilot 'says' 8 passenger seating, try getting anything but 3 four-year olds in that third row seat. You'll still get a lot of complaining because it is uncomfortable.
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    I thought he said the he did NOT need the towing capacity. I could be wrong.

    I will challenge you on the quality of the Pilots interior though. Plus the design is superior in terms of convenience features. FWIW, My Monty upholstery is NOT wearing well at all. Not leather.

    Yes, Honda dealers will be charging a Premium. I neglected to note that Dissadvantage in my post but our dealers here are selling at Sticker and reports are suggesting only an average of $800 premiums NOT $2 to 9K and even at a Premium, they come in less than the Monty. Still, I do have a hard time buying a vehicle where the buyers are at a dissadvantage on Supply and Demand. When I bought my Monty, the first dealer literally laughed at me when I tried to negotiate. I found a more tactful dealer willing to talk. Otherwise I would not have bought one. I should have waited a year though and I would have gotten a better deal for sure.

    I did point out the dissadvantage of the Pilot not being as much of an Off Roader as the Monty though. To some, this is an advantage. Actually, it probably is to most people. Most don't go off road and the Pilot is more powerful with better Gas mileage as a trade off.

    Don't get me wrong though. I love my Monty even with all it's chasis Moans and Groans. I don't regret buying mine at all. BTW, I'm at 56,000 mostly happy miles.

    I'm not preaching for Honda, just backing up my comments. :) The Pilot will make more sense for a lot of families but lets face it, Mini Vans do to, ugh.

    Drew
  • 99trooper99trooper Posts: 87
    Ok, while crawling around under my Montero the other day I noticed what looked like a serious rust problem right around the clamp that comes out of the muffler. I've posted pics here:


    2001 Montero Rust


    Another Photo


    Does anyone else have this problem? thanks!

  • dskidski Posts: 414
    Those are just the Clamps with rust .. right?

    If so, it doesn't seem unusual to me. Those parts will rust but should still out last the Exhaust system I would think. They get replaced when the system gets replaced. If you have rust on any permanent fixtures, that would be a concern.

    Something to check out with the dealer if your concerned. At least that way you have a record of the observation should the parts fail early.

    Drew
  • 99trooper99trooper Posts: 87
    Drew..
    Thanks for replying. My concern is that if you look at the pics the BOLTS are pretty rusted. There is no body rust that I can see, only that fitting for the exhaust and the two bolts. The corrosion on those bolts and that fitting just seem like an awful lot to me for a car thats a 2001. I'm just curious if anyone else's 01 or 02 look like this?

    Thanks
  • check post 1454...your answers are all there!
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    I'll look at mine tomorrow to see if it's the same. I'm guessing mine will look similar.

    I think bolts will rust for many years before they fail though. Which is why I'm thinking it's probably normal and a part that gets cut away when your pipes are ready for replacement.

    Surely there is a Tech around here who can offer a professional opinion. I'm certainly not a tech. I don't even change my own oil anymore. I'm even thinking of giving up on changing my own wiper blades. :)

    D.
  • dchyornydchyorny Posts: 47
    I have a 2000 Monty Sport XLS; where is the miles to empty located?
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    I have a 3300 lb trailer that I tow. Shorter distances are fine but I would like to have a larger truck. I am looking to Fords new diesel later this year, v8 600 ft lbs torque. This will tow anything and will get about 21 mpg on the highway. Towing this trailer dropped my mpg from 20 to 9 with the Monte but the truck will be unlikely to drop below 15.

    If you want a smaller SUV but with more power to tow take a look at Fords new SUV. 260hp I think, full independent suspension like the MOnte. Rated very well. It still wont tow like a V8 truck but might bridge your gap. I would not get the Monte if towing >3000 lbs, long distances, frequently.

    Skip the Sequoia, recent review indicated a quick drop in milage/performace with towing. This is exactly what I thought would happen. The Sequoia suffers from too small an engine for the size and supposed towing limits as well. The only reason I mention it is because it is a hot item amoung a group of near sighted followers who are afraid to point out its weaknesses as we do here on on Monte forum. Dont know why there isnt more objective dialogue, perhaps its directly related to the amount you pay.

    The Monte is suppose to go up on engine size soon but I think anything less than V8 probably will not change my opinion on the towing issue.
  • dmetzgerdmetzger Posts: 160
    Curious. I have 2000 MS LTD 4X4 and pull a 2500# boat and average around 14.5 mpg. Drive it 65 mph. Live in Montana where it is hilly. You are getting '9' mpg. Do you have the LTD or XLS model? Do you drive it in overdrive or shift it down one gear? What speed? Any additional weight in vehicle?

    Asking these questions, for thought about up sizing to the Montero from the Sport. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
  • mp19fanmp19fan Posts: 102
    I REALLY like the tread pattern, and for $500 installed, I really like the price. I went with the taller profile because I felt the wheel wells could use some filling in. A bit noisier than the OE highway Geolanders, but not nearly as loud as I was expecting. Rides nicely on the freeway and around town. Oh, did I mention how nice they look?
  • dchyornydchyorny Posts: 47
    Did you get 4 or 5 tires (spare)? Is anyone going to adjust your odometer for the bigger tire? Do you lease or finance your car?
  • phonosphonos Posts: 204
    If you bought 5 tires, does the hard plastic spare tire cover still fit this size?
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    The difference between you 2500lb boat and my 3300lb trailer is probably huge. As we cyclist know it is the wind resistence that all of our peddling effort is going into.

    Given the large difference in frontal area of a boat vs trailer I would imagine at least 14mpg in steady driving with the Montero with a boat.

    My poor 9mpg was due to attempts to stay near 65mph and in hilly terrain. I would assume that flat, steady driving at 55mph (legal speed) I would jump to 12mpg given that the air resistence is logrithmic vs linear.

    I would have no problems recommending the Montero to boat owners.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    I would jump to 12mpg given that the air resistence is logrithmic vs linear.

    Actually, it's quadratic. If you double the speed, you quadruple the resistance. Logarithmic would imply a very slow increase of drag with speed.

    tidester
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  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    I really am hoping my tires wear out faster so I can get these as well.


    If I did the calculations correctly the difference in overall diameter should be about 1.1 inches.


    265/75 vs 265/70 would increase sidewall height approx 14mm. 14mm x 2 with 25.4mm/inch.


    http://www.admiralmetals.com/metric_conv.htm


    I hope the rear tire holder can accept this and does anyone know yet whether the Montero tire size can be reprogrammed to give correct speed as in the American trucks?

  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    "Drag from the air isn't a big problem at low speeds. However, it has one unsavory characteristic: the force required to overcome air drag rises as the square of the speed. As we saw before, power is force times speed, so the power rises as the CUBE of the speed. In other words, to ride at 20 mph takes eight times as much power as to ride at 10 mph. To ride at 30 mph takes 64 times as much energy as 10 mph."
  • mp19fanmp19fan Posts: 102
    I just purchased 4 new tires, left the spare as is, so I don't know if the spare tire cover will accommodate a 265/75 size. I haven't adjusted the speedo/odo yet. Is this expensive? BTW, I purchased the car with Mitsu financing, 4.9%.
  • homer61388homer61388 Posts: 54
    I mean, out of reading these reports and test driving one for a weekend via a car rental agency I don't think that you should buy this because of its lackluster performance. There are better vehicles out there like the Dodge Durango with 2 V8 engine choices and a 3rd row of seats. It is getting redesigned this year or in 2003 I think so a good think just got better (hopefully.)
    I hauled around all my children and while it did have decent passing power I would usually have to floor the accelerator if I wanted to quickly pass another slow car or zip into a spot in traffic. I averaged 13mpg because of this!!! But on a good note the 5-speed auto in my test limited performed very well. Its performance couldn't make up for the montero's lack of muscle though!
    YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A 4,600 LB PLUS!! A 200HP MOTOR IS NOT GONNA DO IT!! THERE IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH WEIGHT AND NOT ENOUGH MOTOR!!! HOPEFULLY, THERE WILL BE AN ENGINE CHANGE SOON! A HIGH-OUTPUT V8 WOULD BE A NICE EDITION!!!
    THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES TO MY QUESTIONS. THEY HAVE DEFINITELY HELPED! AND ALTHOUGH I LIKE THE MONTERO'S SUSPENSION, TRANNY, AND BRAKES AND STYLING, THIS ALONE DOESN'T OFFSET ITS WEAK ENGINE.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    brillmtb,

    Good point! Also, note that the net drag varies directly with the frontal area of the vehicle.

    tidester
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  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    I must be getting too old to handle fast paced driving you you are really one fast dude. Given that I ride a 520 E/XC KTM I think it is the latter.

    I have rarely if ever REALLY needed to floor the Montero.

    I would think you would steer clear of the Dodge and look more towards the Acura MDX, BMX x5 or Ford Explorer for SUV with more power. The BMW will trounce just about eveything out there (except the WRX but thats a different class). The Ford would have more off road capabilities than the other two. You will probably have to refine what you are looking for, solid construction off road ability or car like handling and then pick. The Montero would be a better choice for serious off roading (in luxury).
  • homer61388homer61388 Posts: 54
    Ok, maybe I drive a little more than the speed limit but hey, remember I had the montero packed to the gills with people and cargo! Remember, I need an off-road vehicle and one that can tow a lot of water crafts! The bmw and the Mdx while luxurious aren't capable of such talk! The bmw maybe, but then again it isn't a big off-roader! The same goes with the Mdx, it is just a suv based off of a minivan and the max towing is 3,500lbs! Well, 4,500lbs for boats and that is without people or cargo!

    And although the Durango maybe a "gas pig" with the 5.9liter V8 it has 110 more lb feet of torque(345 hop compared to 235hp) than the montero has! And 45 more horsepower than the montero (245hp to 200hp)! It is also lighter. Translation; a faster, quicker vehicle.

    I have never been a fan of Ford so I would doubt that I would look at an explorer. The mountaineer is more appealing so I might consider that but it is still a Ford!

    The montero is still a smooth vehicle and I like it but with all the hauling around I do I doubt that it can match my specifications. But the engine is smooth as glass and the tranny was very refined. But I need more of a working engine. I might be looking next at a Mercedes ML500 with its powerful 5.0 liter V8.

    Overall, the montero is an exceptional vehicle but if it wants to compete with the big boys then it needs some strong power to back up its aggressive looks! Mind you that the Durango is a compact suv and has more engine than the montero which is a large suv. the montero is supposed to be a larger vehicle, the class it is in I mean.

    So, tell Mitsubishi to pack the montero with more punch and only then will it be first on my list.
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    I would agree with you that the perfect combo of torque/hp, capabilites is not out there yet. There is hope that the Montero is going to a larger engine next year but I fear it will be too underpowered for the towing issue we are talking about.

    I would just have to diverge a little with you on the power for normal and even sporty driving with people in all the seats. I think there is plenty of power to move this SUV in a respectable and safe fashion even with only 200hp. I only complain about the drop when towing.

    I think that it is very difficult to set up a strong off road SUV that also gets car-like performance. Something just has to give. The suspension has to be much firmer, the ground clearence lower, tires lower profile, engine cam hitting power in a different range than what you would want for off roading, etc etc etc. Its tough to please all of us but its nice that they are trying
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    Umm.. I don't think so!

    I had a Durango before the Monty. In short.. the Durango was Crap. I had it for 60,000 miles and couldn't wait to unload it. I've had my Monty for almost 60K now and I've never regreted the purchase. My opinions are based on long term ownership NOT a weekend rental.

    There is not ONE aspect of the Durango where I could say it had any Quality advantage. Not one. The thing was in a word...Cheap. Fit and finish was awful and the Paint literally would chip from bugs hitting the front of the Hood. I've been using a Professional detailer for years and he said he'd never seen a less durable factory paint job. The added hp didn't make up for the short comings and I never logged over 16mpg either.

    BTW.. you listed the 3rd seat in the Durango as an advantage over the Monty. Third row comes STANDARD with the Monty. You must have missed it. It's folded under the rear floor. The rental agency could have removed it. The Durango (optional) 3rd seat is not removable allowing for added cargo space and not buying the D's 3rd row doesn't increase cargo space either.

    The Durango only has ONE advantage and I don't miss the hp I gave up with the Montereo.

    Drew
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