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Mitsubishi Montero

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  • wonbwonb Posts: 8
    Once agian you demonstrate your ignorance of the newer unibodies. They are far more resistent to flex than the body on frame models. Where do you get your information. Are you an engineer? Do you read anything?
  • wonbwonb Posts: 8
    Not again, geez. Plastics have found there way into many areas where steel was once used. There is no reason to think that a nice strong piece of plastic would not be suitable as a skid plate. It might even cost less and weigh less.
  • wonbwonb Posts: 8
    0-60 in 9.6. V8 like engine performance with an INCREASE in gas mileage over the 02.

     
    First Test: 2003 Mitsubishi Montero Limited
    Fortified with more power, beautified with less cladding

    By Ron Sessions
    Motor Trend, December 2002
    In the world of largish SUVs, the Montero goes its own way--confidently and independently. And for '03, the big Mitsubishi struts its stuff with more gusto, thanks to a larger, more powerful engine. Mitsubishi bored and stroked last year's 3.5L V-6 to 3.8L, slipped in a more aggressive cam profile, increased airflow into and out of the engine, and upped compression from 9.0:1 to 10.0:1. Horsepower rises 7.5 percent, from 200 to 215, and torque climbs from 235 to 248 lb-ft.

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       Specifications
     
       
    Base price: $36,597
    Vehicle layout: Front engine, 4wd, 4-door, 7-pass
    Engine: 3.8L/215-hp V-6, SOHC, 4 valves/cyl
    0-60 mph, sec: 9.60
    1/4 mile, sec/mph: 17.05/80.13
    Slalom, mph: 53.5
    Braking, 60-0, ft: 127.6
    On sale in U.S.: Currently
     
     
     

    "On the road, the larger V-6 feels richer at launch and has more staying power at the top end. Mid-range, part-throttle response is more satisfying too because peak torque is developed at lower engine speed. The good news is this V-8-like performance has no fuel penalty. In fact, the 3.8L's EPA estimated city/highway fuel economy actually increases this year from 14/19 to 15/19, although premium fuel is now recommended. A five-speed Sportronic sequential-shift automatic transmission gives the driver the option of manual control."
  • wonbwonb Posts: 8
    This one attests to its quality build, reliability, comfort, capability, etc etc. Only the fact that everyone wishes it had a little more power stands out. Whats interesting is that Mitsubishi has already reduced the amount of chrome, increased gs mile and power in the 03 model.

    Please read the whole article, some nice comments including how the Montero did as well as the rest of the SUV field on thier test track with no indication of a roll over problem

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0210_verd/index2.html

     
    "One-Year Verdict: 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Limited
    What's New, Changed, Different
    It appears Mitsubishi product planners heard the gripes. For 2002, the busy (some say over-the-top) chrome door mirrors, taillight surrounds, and grille are changed to monochromatic, matching the Montero's exterior color, of which there are three new options. On the safety front, the Montero's second-row center seat now has a three-point safety belt and height-adjustable head restraint. Also, Mitsubishi has grouped popular and/or new options into two packages (Touring and Premium) for the XLS and Limited models, respectively. For 2003, changes are more substantial. XLS and Limited models get a fresh, new face with restyled grille, front fascia, and headlights plus cleaner side cladding that integrates standard side steps. More important, the SOHC 3.5L V-6 grows to 3.8L, offering more horsepower and much-needed torque. Dynamic Stability Control becomes standard on both models, while audio systems receive upgrades, as well.

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    From the Logbook
    "Over broken dirt roads, the independent rearend is just short of amazing. I love the 4WD (with locking diffs everywhere) and the 'We're here for you' tool kit in the rear door. I wish all serious SUV manufacturers were this thorough."--Mark Williams

    "I could do without some of the gratuitous chrome plating, but overall its unique take on SUV style sets it well apart from the omnipresent Explorers and Grand Cherokees."--Chris Walton

      
    "The Montero is the perfect adventure vehicle for doers. As my fondness for its abilities grows, so does my liking of the angry cyber-Samurai exterior."--Jeff Bartlett

    "The factory-fitted auxiliary driving lights are the best I've seen on a stock SUV or truck."--John Kiewicz

    "I used the Mitsu to move and discovered it rides much better on the freeway when it's loaded to the gunnels."--David Newhardt

    "The Montero feels upscale inside. I love the textures: high-tech modern briefcase meets Wall Street boardroom. It feels Range Rover-like tooling around L.A."--John Matthius

       WHAT'S HOT
     
       
    ·Race-proven off-road abilities
    ·Upscale, almost Range Rover interior
    ·Seats seven in comfort
     
     
     

    "If you want to get a feel as to how big it is, give it a hand wash--only be sure you invite a tall friend to help or bring along a step ladder and plenty of rags."--Walt Woron (Editor, Motor Trend, 1949-1960)

       WHAT'S NOT
     
       
    ·V-8 thirst with V-6 horsepower
    ·Excessive exterior chrome & cladding
    ·Eyeball-bending convex rearview mirrors
  • viet2viet2 Posts: 66
    [BTW, in general, unibody is cheaper to make than body-on-frame.]

    This is again a wild guest from intmed99. Body on frame are much cheaper to built because it required much less engineering. A "boxed" frame with solid axel housing and brakes line and some other part costs manafacturer about $200 dollars.

    [More strength?? Crash test does not prove this (look at Montero's scores). And i am sure the new 4runner/GX470 will get top grades in crash testing DESPITE being body-on-frame. Unibodies bend and twist (they have to) over rough terrains, no matter how much "strengthening" they have.]

    More strength in term of ride quality. Body on frame jiggle and have poorer ride quality. Refinement is the key here.

    The ONLY unibody that i respect is the new Range Rover...but look, it weighs AS MUCH as a body-on-frame (actually it is a bit HEAVIER). Do you know why?? Because they have to strengthened it sooooo much to prevent twisting. So, really what is the point of unibody???

    Do you know the weight of the Range Rover unibody itself? or just because you see the truck is heavier and assumed that the body is heavier?

    [What is superior about Montero's unibody & independent suspension?? Sure, it provides better ride (but rolls over!). Sure you have room for a tiny 3rd row seating...for this, i buy a MINIVAN. For crash protection?? Well, from the looks of things, Montero is no better than my old body-on-frame 4runner.]

    I just saw on TV a 4Runner rolled over on its roof. Do you mean that the 4Runner will not roll over?

    [So, what's the advantage??? Where's the magnificent engineering you guys have talked about?? ]

    The advantage is refinement, period.
    And you keep bringing up minivan. Let me point out to you that the Chrysler minivan and the last generation Siena has a beam suspension in the back. Both got beat by Honda minivan which has an independent suspension.
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    First, all the reviews that was posted is by the SAME people.

    I have always felt that minivans SHOULD have independent suspensions. I agree that the Honda minivan is excellent. It is also far more practical than ANY SUV out there.

    But, minivan is not an SUV in terms of capability. Engineering between the two are different.

    I never said the ride or handling will be better with a solid axle. It is just that the Montero, despite all-independent, has flaws in it's handling.

    All vehicle will roll over if the driver is not careful. HOWEVER, ONLY the Montero did bad in Consumer Report's test recently (Trooper and Suzuki were the other two). 4Runner NEVER had any problem with CR's tests.

    Range Rover's weight?? Where do you think it comes from?? It's suspension is independent (thus, likely lighter than solid axle). It's engine is a BMW engine. It has 5-people capacity (not 8). Look at Range Rover's unibody. It is quite impressive. Crawl underneath one...extremely well supported. BTW, it weighs MORE than a Lexus LX470!

    Body-on-frame jiggles?? That's more due to solid axle. That has NOTHING to do with "strength". Crash test results do have something to do with strength...and from what i can see, the Montero is no better than my old 4Runner.

    Go to a local Ford dealership...which is more expensive to build, Ford Windstar or Explorer?? A properly designed frame takes a lot of time and research. The BODY itself IS a unibody! Then, you have to design the frame. Finally, you need to determine the optimal placements of body-on-frame.

    Where did you get $200?? Did you call Toyota in Japan to ask??

    BTW, i really like the Montero's interior...i have never insulted that part of the Montero.

    WONB, i have read all of that ONE review source. BTW, did you read the review from TRUCKTREND (same as MotorTrend) on the '99 4Runner...it was quite amazing!

    Independent suspension IN GENERAL is better than solid axle in terms of ride and handling. Montero handling is not that good however. Most reviews have it's g-force around 0.69, no better than my 4runner or TLC.

    According to this Edmunds comparo, Montero was in LAST place:

    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/53479/article.- - html?tid=edmunds.e.roadtests....Mitsubishi*

    Excerpt from that review:

    "The suspension delivers an acceptable level of comfort when cruising on the highway, but our off-road excursions revealed a setup far less comfortable than some of the more softly sprung vehicles in the test. Road feel is one thing, but harsh impacts over every nook and cranny begin to take their toll after a while, and more than one editor complained about the Montero's stiff ride."

    Ok, where's that amazing ride you guys talked about??

    However, independent suspension does NOT equal more CAPABILITY. Period. Poor wheel travel. Ground clearance not static. Control arms can get caught up on rocks. More things handing down to snag. More expensive to repair.

    I don't think Toyota was trying to save money. The Highlander has independent. Being one of the most profitable company, Toyota has enough funds to make an independent suspension if they saw the need. Obviously, they did not. It is called maintaining off-road capability. Toyota Land Cruiser and LX470 are known for their very good on-road ride...in fact, the LX470 has one of the best on-road ride of ANY SUV. Show me a review that criticizes the Land Cruiser or LX470 for providing a bad ride. You will find nothing.

    WONB, can you show me data that says that my 4runner is in the shop often???

    Strange, did Mitsu find a way to make the unibody on the Montero unbending?? Unibody is essentially ONE piece of metal. If one front and one rear wheel diagonal to it are on a rock, that piece of metal will twist, UNLESS you reinforced it heavily (aka Range Rover). In the Acura MDX (which has a really strong unibody), you are unable to close the doors in this position. Jeep Grand Cherokee, same thing. Unibody has this inherent weakness. Think about it.

    How many off-roading vehicle out there that you see have PLASTIC skidplates?? How many aftermarket manufacturers sell PLASTIC skidplates??

    How many axle "trusses" are made of plastic??

    I do not care about aerospace crap...this is a $32K car! BTW, i guess Saturn cars must be great off-roaders!
  • dmetzgerdmetzger Posts: 160
    Hate to burst your bubble, but my 96 Toyota T-100 4X4 SR5 X-tra cab has a plastic front skid plate. And it has held up very well. I have a 2000 Mitsu Montero Sport that has metal skid plates. Both rigs have been good units.
     I prefer the plastic to metal, because it does give a little and is less weight when taking off to change the oil.
     The Sport has two metal plates underneath the front that covers the entire front end and one underneath the transmission. It is cumbersome when changing oil for you have to remove the back plate before you can remove the front, for they overlap.
     Personally I have been looking at the Montero and 4-Runner for my next purchase. Pro's and Con's on both units. I do like the power better out of the 4-Runner, but like the space better in the Montero.
     Being subjective, it is a tough decision for me to make. I am a Toyota buff and have had many. But I have been impressed with the Sport. You can believe reviews only so far. Long term ownership is really what will tell the story.
     And, yes, there have been a few people who have not been happy with their Sports. There are three happy owners at my work place who own the Sport. But no one here owns a Montero. That is why I listen to what viet, phonos, brill, and others who own them, and have put on several miles on them, have to say about it. They have a good idea. I do not.
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    Yeah, i assume a plastic skidplate is easier to manage in terms of removing and putting it on. However, i want protection. Like i said, show me ONE aftermarket vendor who sales plastic skidplates.
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    <<BTW, i really like the Montero's interior...i have never insulted that part of the Montero.<<

    Intmed... That's your problem... your whole attitude here. You come in here to insult. I'm just curious why and why you care.

    Are there individuals posting here that follow you to the Toyata Boards to insult Toyota owners? I just don't understand people like you. Do you visit the homes of your family and friends and tell them all the things that are wrong with their homes and why yours is better? It wouldn't surprise me if you did.

    Drew
  • viet2viet2 Posts: 66
    [I never said the ride or handling will be better with a solid axle. It is just that the Montero, despite all-independent, has flaws in it's handling]

    The Montero set up is toward off-road. Thus the soft suspension setting and as car and driver call "colosal suspension traveling". All this translate into better ride quality while off-roading; specifically better than in a 4Runner.
       
    All vehicle will roll over if the driver is not careful. HOWEVER, ONLY the Montero did bad in Consumer Report's test recently (Trooper and Suzuki were the other two). 4Runner NEVER had any problem with CR's tests.

    The 4Runner set-up is stiffer, that is why the rough ride. Should be better handling, it is not. About CR's, I do not know. I have the truck for 3 years now and according to CR, I should roll over a couple of times now.

    Range Rover's weight?? Where do you think it comes from?? It's suspension is independent (thus, likely lighter than solid axle). It's engine is a BMW engine. It has 5-people capacity (not 8). Look at Range Rover's unibody. It is quite impressive. Crawl underneath one...extremely well supported. BTW, it weighs MORE than a Lexus LX470!

    Luxury car are heavier due to heavily re-inforce body, but also due to sound proofing and other luxury items, even seats are heavier. Independence suspension is not lighter than solid axel. It requires more mounting, arms, shaft. The advantage is less unsprung weight. This is my point about the 4Runner is cheaply built.

    Body-on-frame jiggles?? That's more due to solid axle. That has NOTHING to do with "strength". Crash test results do have something to do with strength...and from what i can see, the Montero is no better than my old 4Runner.

    Can you explain to me how a body mount on a frame won't jiggle. Do they weld the whole chassis to the frame?
    Strength is one thing, refinement is another thing.

    Go to a local Ford dealership...which is more expensive to build, Ford Windstar or Explorer?? A properly designed frame takes a lot of time and research. The BODY itself IS a unibody! Then, you have to design the frame. Finally, you need to determine the optimal placements of body-on-frame.

    They are both cheaply built. Let try Mercedes ML (body on frame and BMW X5 series. Which one do you think is cheaply built?

    Where did you get $200?? Did you call Toyota in Japan to ask??

    I read. That is from Automotive industry journal. I raised the price, it actually cheaper than that.

    Independent suspension IN GENERAL is better than solid axle in terms of ride and handling. Montero handling is not that good however. Most reviews have it's g-force around 0.69, no better than my 4runner or TLC.

    Ok, so you can see that independence suspension is better. So why would we want to buy something that offer less and cost more? If the handling is not better then the ride still is. And I am sure after you drive the Montero off-road, you will be impress as well. Good ride, nice interior.

    According to this Edmunds comparo, Montero was in LAST place:
    Excerpt from that review:
    "The suspension delivers an acceptable level of comfort when cruising on the highway, but our off-road excursions revealed a setup far less comfortable than some of the more softly sprung vehicles in the test. Road feel is one thing, but harsh impacts over every nook and cranny begin to take their toll after a while, and more than one editor complained about the Montero's stiff ride."

    According to Car and Driver, the 4Runner is not even luxury enough for their comparo. They also said that the Montero off road capability was just as good as the then Land Rover without being tossing head.

    [Ok, where's that amazing ride you guys talked about??]

    Try for your self, do not guess.

    However, independent suspension does NOT equal more CAPABILITY. Period. Poor wheel travel. Ground clearance not static. Control arms can get caught up on rocks. More things handing down to snag. More expensive to repair.

    I believe you, so your 4Runner have a front independent suspension and it is bad?

    I don't think Toyota was trying to save money. The Highlander has independent. Being one of the most profitable company, Toyota has enough funds to make an independent suspension if they saw the need. Obviously, they did not. It is called maintaining off-road capability. Toyota Land Cruiser and LX470 are known for their very good on-road ride...in fact, the LX470 has one of the best on-road ride of ANY SUV. Show me a review that criticizes the Land Cruiser or LX470 for providing a bad ride. You will find nothing.

    High Lander is a front driver. It is cheap and easy to have independence suspension. LC is nice but for 65K, give me a Cayene.

    Strange, did Mitsu find a way to make the unibody on the Montero unbending?? Unibody is essentially ONE piece of metal. If one front and one rear wheel diagonal to it are on a rock, that piece of metal will twist, UNLESS you reinforced it heavily (aka Range Rover). In the Acura MDX (which has a really strong unibody), you are unable to close the doors in this position. Jeep Grand Cherokee, same thing. Unibody has this inherent weakness. Think about it.

    Have you look? The Montero has 2 massive beams running the whole length of the truck, which is not unlike the frame on a body on frame at all, only bigger!. the only different is it is welded to the chassis.
    Think body on frame guaranteed toughness. Try an older Blazer you can see door gap widen during off road condition.

    How many off-roading vehicle out there that you see have PLASTIC skidplates?? How many aftermarket manufacturers sell PLASTIC skidplates??

    How many axle "trusses" are made of plastic??

    I can see that all you know about the Montero is very near zero and most of the thing you post is wild guesses. I am not trying to defend the Montero, I am not Misubishi, and I am not a fan like you are. But for my observation, Misubishi put alot of work on the Montero and and sell it cheaper then the 4Runner (which was my first choice at one time) I appreciate that just like I appreciate some one did a very good work building a house for less money. Your complain about unibody weakness and off-road capability has no bases here. Everyone know that the Montero has very good off-road capability, and the truck has not fall to pieces because of its unibody. Its suspension while not ultra luxury ride, does perform better in off-road condition both interm of ride and capability then many truck in its class, IMO. It is very funny when you keep complaining about the plastic skid plate, while you get much less for your money with your 4Runner. Skid plate can be replace cheap, less then $100. Dated design can not be change at any price... but then I am not going into that again, I do not think you can comprehend that :)
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    When does Car & Driver know anything about off-roading?? They don't. Read off-roading magazines! Montero has POOR wheel travel by ALL off-roading magazines (FourWheeler, Peterson's, etc.)

    Actually, according to CR, my '02 4Runner did well in slalom testing! Yours rolled over! Check it out for yourself.

    Ok, are we talking about refinement or strength?? I thought we were talking about strength. I am confused.

    Independent has more "arms". The shaft is the same! Oh boy, someone needs to learn more about suspensions! Yes, independent has less unsprung weight...which is critical in a sports car, less so in a >4000 lbs SUV.

    Do you even know how much the Range Rover weighs?? Go check it out. Remember, LX470 is also luxurious.

    Show me good evidence the difference in cost between X5 and ML500 frame. Since your brought it up, i want to learn too.

    When has anyone complained about my 4Runner's ride off-road??? I have not heard ONE complaint. Personally, i like it.

    Yeah, you're right, i am not a big fan of MY 4runner's front suspension. It has poor travel. However, my IFS is stoutly built (boxed upper & lower control arms)...linkages are heavy-duty. What makes the 4Runner capable is it's LONG-travel rear suspension, on par with Land Rover Discovery's rear axle (my brother's SUV). Thus, this helps out my limited IFS.

    The two beams you talked about is seen ON ALMOST EVERY UNIBODY SUV out there!! My old Honda CRV had it! The Acura MDX has it. Range Rover has it.

    TLC is cheaper than $65K. Don't get me started on the Porsche SUV!

    What does the old Blazer have to do with 4runners?? Should i compare my 4runner to the first generation of Jeep Cherokee, which had a crappy unibody??

    Anything else??
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    Point well taken, some are here to put down the Montero and it is very obvious to the well informed or owners. It is unfair to someone who might want to review the site for unbiased info on the Montero.
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    I realize that edmunds did not give the Montero the best off road marks but I will have to say that I dont know how they arrived at that conclusion after having owned a Montero and driven various Toyota and Jeep products.

    Also, I cant think of another review that didnt give the Montero high marks for off road ability and luxury like car ride on road.

    Here is what 4 wheeler said. Notice that despite the articulation issue that causes the wheel to lift in extreme situations they still could get through with the limited slip. Overall, not perfect but a good blend of characteristics it seems.

    "One of the most noticeable aspects on the new Monty is that it has independent suspension at every corner. We expected that the Montero would ride nicely on the highway and it did. On twisty mountain roads, every tester noticed that when at the limits of its handling capabilities, the Montero had a strange, squirrelly feeling to it. We think that this feel came in part from the Yokohama tires that this unit wore, which didn&#146;t provide a lot of grip on either pavement or dirt.

    Where the four-wheel independent suspension did shine was in the high-speed dirt sections. It ate up the rough stuff without any problems, and shock valving and spring rates were spot-on for this type of activity, helped in no small amount by the reduction of unsprung weight that is the handmaiden&#151;indeed, the point&#151;of independent suspension. Having powerful, four-piston disc brakes at every corner helped slow things down in a hurry, further bolstering the Montero&#146;s prowess.

    Independent suspension has never been known for its articulation, however, and this character flaw showed up on the rougher, slower trails. The Montero would lift wheels at every obstacle it came to. While unnerving, this did not stop progress because the limited-slip would immediately kick in and propel the Montero through most obstacles. Once testers got used to having at least one tire off the ground, the Montero proved to be surprisingly capable off-road. "

    The people who have changed thier tires have noticed that the "squirrely" feeling that was noticed above goes away. I am changing out my tires today with C load and will let you know. I have discussed this with the TIre Rack folks and they said that the OEM Geolanders sidewalls are very soft, even compared with the very same model aftermarket. Seems that OEM tires in general are very soft and dont wear long. On an SUV of this weight that would explain the improved handling by putting anything on it other than the OEM tire
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    It is claimed that the new unibody is far more rigid than the older body on frame design. I dont know the truth if I had to put my own money down but it seems very stiff, no noises to date like you get with body-on-frame configurations as they get older.

    As far as construction quality I would strongly disagree that the new 4 runner is better built. I looked under one at Costco the other day since Intmed suggested that the metal guard and front suspension are better built.

    I would say the the Montero suspension is larger, seemingly better built and the metal rock guard I could bend with my fingers.

    I would say that the plastic vs metal OEM guards are a wash and that anyone thinking they are going to be hitting rocks would want a much better guard.

    Personally, I would love to get the JAOS guard and bull bar if I had the extra cash.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    For those interested, you can discuss the 4Runner here: Toyota 4Runner.

    I don't see it as productive to compare 4Runners with Muranos which are different classes of vehicles.

    tidester, host
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    Shame on you. We dont want to encourage the same sort of bashing on the 4 runner site.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    LoL!

    Obviously, it would be equally objectionable to turn the 4Runner topic into a Murano dominated discussion. :-)

    tidester, host
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    But, you're so very generous to point out that link. Don't get too angry now.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,956
    Unless you guys are talking about Drew's post back in Nov. comparing the Murano & Montero, try this blast from the past:

    2000 Honda Passport, Toyota 4Runner or Mitsubishi Montero Sport, which is the best buy?

    Ok, it's the Sport and not the "pure" Monty, but I'm still lost about the Murano talk :-)

    Steve, Host

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    OH, MAN! I can't believe I typed that! LOL!

    tidester, host
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,956
    Now back to the regularly scheduled confusion around here, LOL.

    Steve, Host

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    But, you're so very generous to point out that link. Don't get too angry now.

    I'm not the least bit angry. You are completely free, however, to follow the link! :-)

    tidester, host
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    You know you have a great site when not one but two hosts are jumping in.

    Hey, if you really want to have fun just go over to the Sequoia site and even mention that you dont like the color schemes and watch them tear you a new one.....Phonos can probably rememeber the time.....LOL

    I was over at Toyota looking at the new 4 runner (and only if it were bigger and cost less) and mentioned to the sales person what an amazingly loyal group the Toyota owners are, to the point of being delusional. Funny thing is he agreed. Even more funny is that he complimented my Montero.
  • viet2viet2 Posts: 66
    So far all your post is about plastic skid-plate and how an independence suspension is not good off-road... how the 4Runner is better built... and some magazine does not rate it highly.... Just park your 4Runner next to a Montero, leave the name plate aside and judge for yourself which one is better built, requires more engineering. Rent one, take a drive, see what it can do!
    As for 4Wheeler and Peterson magazine, their focus is to sell you after market parts so you can transform your truck in to a plethora of metal bars. I viewed the Montero as a family transportation with off-road capability that get us places. Comfort, refinement, space is the strength of the Montero over the 4Runner, IMO. If you want to prove that your 4Runner has better capability then the Montero, enter it in a Paris -Darkar race.
  • back in Nepal, I had a 2001 Pajero turbo disel, took it to all sort of off-roading and the car never stuck or gave up. In fact, it was as good as my dad's landcruiser, plus my pajero had height adjustment suspension, I could switch between low,medium and high so when doing some rock crawling in mountains just switch to high and ready to go anywhere. I have seen the montero over here in U.S. and found it's not as good as the pajero sold in other regions but definetly a capable vechile for U.S. offroading.
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    It is meaningless for US. For crying out loud, the Mercedes ML even competes (and won i think) the Paris-Dakar races. And you know how well the ML is in off-roading!

    The off-roading magazines have annual SUV of the year competition...take a look for yourself. It is like any other magazines.

    Like i said, take a look at a 3rd gen 4runner (1996-2002)...take a peek underneath. Superbly built. Look at the suspension. Look at the ground clearance with excellent approach/breakover/departure angles.

    Also, RE-read my Post 2212. You haven't answered any of my questions.

    Thanks.
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    The Montero and Pajero are essentially identical at this time. The Pajero is still offered in direct inject versions, diesel and has a nice DVD nav system. Some I think still can be obtained with lockable rear end. I picked up the information when I was in Europe a couple of years ago.

    The diesel would be a nice option but our fuel in the US contains too much sulfur for the higher tech injection systems.

    Mitsubishi is a leader in technology and I did not realize this until my brother in law who is in a high tech field pointed this out and I looked at thier web site, heard what they have develped, etc. When I was growing up they did not have a great rep but thats when everyone wanted large block V8's and in reality they were not made any better.

    I have not seen anything to date that says the Montero is made cheaply, in fact, just the oppisite.

    Some companies make small interval changes like Toyota, Dodge, Ford to a great degree an others tend to take more chances with technology that comes with increased risk. Toyota put a VSC system on the street earlier but Mitsubishi had it developed long ago.
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    Intmed, this is a great race and the Monteros always do very well. My KTM motorcycle, probably one of the best built bikes, made in Austria also does well in this race and others like it.

    I would guess that the majority of vehicles are all independent suspension as well

    By the way, my friend came by last night on his way through town, he has a newer 4 runner. He likes the quality but does not like the stiff ride. Compared with my Montero and the JGC he really thinks his truck is uncomfortable. That comes directly from the owner.
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    Let me ask you this: how many Land Rover (Disco, Defender), Mercedes G500, Jeep Wranglers, etc. are seen in the Dakar races?? Would you call these vehicles bad off-roaders simply because they don't compete?? Again, Mercedes ML competes...enough said.

    Dakar is basically a high-speed desert race of some sort. Suspension travel is not important. All you need is to have a light vehicle (thus, MOSTLY 2-DOOR MONTEROS), with a lightweight body (unibody) and lightweight suspension (independent). Weight is the MAIN thing in these competitions.
  • brillmtbbrillmtb Posts: 543
    Being in the race doesnt make your vehicle better, I didnt mean to imply this. But it shows how well built and capable the Montero is.
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