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Jeep Liberty Common Rail Diesel Meet & Greet

Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,944
Stop in here to say hi to your fellow CRD owners and compare notes. And feel free to jump in if you don't own one but just have interest or are kicking tires.

Please take specific problems or trends to one of the narrower discussions, for example, please post in the Jeep Liberty CRD Diesel: MPG - Real World Numbers discussion if you want to take mileage.

And feel free to create a new discussion about anything CRD - we don't want to discourage anyone from posting by having to search through 8,000 other messages first.

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  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    Steve: Here is a BIG thank you! I sure hope it really attracts more CRD'ers.
    Just for information about 30% of diesel pumps have the new 15 ppm sticker on the pumps. Diesel has remained $2.43 for the last 3 weeks. BUT gas is $1.99 . Why the 44 cents a gallon more?
    Here is a big welcome to everyone!

    Farout
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Farout....Ever since your president came to power the diesel went higher than regular ounce he goes the price of diesel will come down.

    nescosmo
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    Is this where the CRD'ers are at now?Mine is still runnin fine.Has anyone tried running home furnace oil in the CRD?I would think it is the same as diesel but a different dye.Would be cheaper,unfortunately I run natural gas in the house.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    nescosmo: Odd you would say to me that "your president". Frankly. My opinion of Kerry and Edwards, Bush and Chainey did not matter much to me. I really did not vote for the man as much as I did for what the "party" planks were. I believe all the men running for office were all outstanding men. They all went through the test of the press, who attempts to find anything that might make someone to look like they are unfit to hold the highest offices in the United States government. I would never measure up to the standards the press requires.
    To be very honest, no matter who wins, after the election is done, I try to spend more time praying for the President and the VP, than finding fault with the elected person. Both Parties have unique differences, and each has it's own direction they feel will best take our country.
    One thing I know for sure, who ever runs, that is willing to ask for a Jeep Unlimited 4 door Wrangler, stretched out limo. will get my vote! In fact due to the threats, we should get all government vehicles made by Jeep. Is this not an outstanding idea?
    One last thing, I did not know that Mr. Mickey Mouse won the election! Why didn't some one tell me!

    Farout
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Farout.... I love the way you are I wish that evrybody were like you. Your humor is great. I with that we didn't have to jump from one place to another to find each other. I love the old way that we use to communicate; the Jeep and you guys is all i have in the computer, i rush home to turn on the computer to see who post and what is the subject to discuss, well we'll see what happen.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    I would never measure up to the standards the press requires.

    The press itself might not measure up to those same standards were they to subject themselves to honest scrutiny! In any case, let's avoid the temptation to further divert into political discussions.

    tidester, host
  • Farout,
    I have enjoyed yours and a few other major posters on this site. I have read the jeep liberty forum from the first message in anticipation of the 06 Liberty Limited CRD 4WD we ordered while in Germany. I have been transferred to a Command in Kansas City and we picked up our new Liberty in July 06 when we returned to this area, and it was one of the last ones made in May 06. We have over 9K miles on it already, and the only problem is the battery went out, and Overland Park Jeep replaced it for us with a normal battery, which is working fine. For awhile, we could not find S15, but starting about a month ago, we are having no problems getting it. The Liberty is my wife's, and she absolutely loves it. Parks much easier than any other vehicle we have owned. Look forward to continuing with this forum.

    SemperFi06
  • goodcrdgoodcrd Posts: 253
    They should have replaced it with a Orbital Spiral Cell battery. Much better for this application then the Optima red top gel cell. It's black and has the Mopar symbol stamped on it.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    semperfi06: I admire you fpr taking your responsibility of serving your country. Thank you! I believe every male should serve their country.By doing so the price of being a nation of free people continues on, and on. We live not to far from KC, and OP Jeep is one dealer I ask questions os once in a while. Good to hear from someone beside me that has a CRD with in 150 miles.

    Farout
  • After much research we just could not wait any longer (and the great rebate did not hurt either) and picked up our red crd last week. After a week of driving it (when I could get it away from my wife) I can't believe I waited this long to get one. We love it !! I've been reading this site for a long while, and can't wait to actually join in.

    Bob&Bek
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    bobandbek: Welcome to the CRD "test market group". We have had ours is 13 months, and have a 24,000 miles on it. The engine is made by V M Motori, in Italy. We have the 05 CRD and a 06 3.7 gas. So we can have a pretty good comparison between the two. We like the CRD very much. Our daughter uses the 06 gas. The CRD has just as much get up and go as the gas. The CRD gets 22 mpg to 23.5 mpg just driving around locally, with stops and going. On a short jaunt of 200 miles we have gotten 26.4 mpg. The very best was 28 mpg, and that was only once. I have avoided additives until now that the ULSD is in the pumps. Now I am using PS Cetane booster/ lubercation additive. I put in 12oz per 15 to 20 gallons of fuel. So far after two tank fulls of ULSD the mpg has stayed the same.
    Here are some suggestions I personally suggest. Avoid Bio diesel higher than b-10, the better choice, as stated in the Owners manual is B-5. Bio fuels are NOT consistent in quality, or as to how much bacteria is growing in the fuel. Bacteria comes naturally in dino Diesel, but Bio adds even more of a risk. Some in the forum feel that using B-99 is doing just fine for them. My idea is the true test of time and long term mileage has yet to prove this does not cause damage. V M Motori stands firm on mot using Bio above B-10. The other big issue is the oil. DCX says to use Mobile 1 0-40w but you can use 5-40w if the other is not available. Where we live Mobile 1 0-40w is very hard to find. Not only that, I wrote V M Motori and they said 5-40w or 10-40w is what they suggested for summer/ winter (if it gets 18F or below. I have gone with Shell Rotella T 5-40w Synthetic. It costs $15.20 for a gallon at WalMart. My dealer charges $95. for an oil cahnge, which I know it to much, they charge $9. a quart! Some of those CRD owners have gone to 15-40w in several different brands. Again the letter I got from V M Motori says NOT to use oil above 10-40w. So all these wonderful things are yours to choose. Then there is the issue as to how often to change the oil. V M Motori brakes every engine in before it leaves the factory. They again drain the oil, so you have a fresh broke in engine with new oil. Some have drained the oil at as little as 1,000 miles. I changed my oil at 9,000 miles and then at 7,500 miles, I will be changing the oil again soon. I will change my fuel/water filter at about 32,000 miles. I went through my first quart of oil at 2,900 miles. Now it uses a quart about every 6,500 miles.
    As far as problems no major problems, except at 14,000 miles the PCM was replaced, due to getting 17 mpg. And the ball joints were replaced under warranty. Yours may be under recall as well, ask the dealer.
    Little things like the front passenger seat belt was replaced twice, fuel pump/sending unit for fuel gauge/ was replaced three times, because fuel gauge was way off.
    I would check around to see who has the best Tec who knows the CRD very well. The biggest issues are related to Tec's that do not know much about the engine. If ever your EGR goes out make sure they replace the PCM as well, as that is the cause of the EGR failing.
    That's about all I can say, except I wish you many miles of fun careful driving.

    Farout
  • Farout: Thanks for the reply and kind words. I am glad that the forum is here to help those that have problems with this "test market vehicle." I am an automotive and diesel mechanic from way back, and have over 28 years in the military, much of that in studying, repairing, and procuring a fleet of trucks for my branch of service. I love and understand trucks, and all these posts did not scare me off from buying a Liberty CRD. I believe the basic design of the vehicle and engine are excellent, and it's the emission system working with the PCM that seems to be a lot of the problem. About 10K miles on our Liberty now...no problems other than a bad battery and flat tire. I hope that S15, 5% Biodiesel with the PS additive I am using will keep problems from developing with the EGR...which seems to be the most likely problem I could encounter. I agree with most in this forum that these tires are sub-standard, but I plan to get some use out of them before I replace them. I don't like the fact that the transmission will not go into final overdrive until about 63 MPH, and that it won't shift into higher gears when moving around town at 35 MPH or so. So I can't drive at 55 MPH in final overdrive, unless I must speed up to 63, back down to about 59 in order to stay in top gear. So I end of speeding most of the time. I can live with that, but I have never had another vehicle do this. My larger and much heavier K2500 Suburban will go in final overdrive at 35 MPH and stay there as long as my foot is not too heavy. Like many of you, I too have found this multi-topic and spread out forum harder to use. I will have to go to many sections to see all of the messages, instead of just the main one we had for a few years. But I want to keep up on the latest from the many excellent and informative posters on the sites, and I will try to contribute when appropriate. If anyone responds on any specific topic I have mentioned above in the proper area of this multi-topic Jeep Liberty CRD forum, I will try to move into the proper area set up by the "management."

    SemperFi06
  • I haven't been to the forum for a few weeks and it seems that the newer format is a bit cumbersome. I've learned a lot reading the forum e.g.: changing my driving habits to suit the transmission and turbo therefore getting better milage (24mpg combined city/hwy.) Have noticed a much smoother and quieter running engine since filling up with S15, 5% Biodiesel lately. We love are 2006 Sport with 7500 miles and will be driving it from Grand Rapids, MI to Sarasota, FL and back for its first extended road trip.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    semperfi06: This must be our luck day! That which you describe about shifting was exactally why they replaced my PCM! The shift points you have is just what mine were. After replacing the PCM and NOT doing the updates the shift point for 5th is now 49-53 mph and to lockup is from 53 mph and up depending how deep my foot is on the accelerator. I found that I was most always in 4th most all the time before and now I do get into 5th lockup quite soon. The slowly dropping down speed to get into 5th lockup was really "bass aackwards". I also had the problem of the cruse control dropping off at even the smallest up-grade or down-grade, which the new PCM corrected for the most part.
    It has been my thought that the DCX computer controlling everything is not up to par as they invisioned. The system works, but anything that just doesn't fit into the computers program range is left out some where in cyber car space. I have heard if the power is disconnected from the battery for some time (don't know how long) then it re-learns your driving style and this too might help. But, I sure would not follow this unless you know this for sure.
    Although I have not used OP Jeep, by my talking with the Service manager he seemed to be pretty knowledgeable. Hope this helps.

    Farout
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Semper.... My was like that, take it to the dealer and ask them to reflash your PCM the shifting will change and the ride will be very smooth. When they replaced my EGR they reflash the PCM and ever since all is ok.

    Nescosmo....
  • Nescosmo. Thanks for the response. I called a dealer service rep at OP Jeep, and he had never heard of this problem. I am looking into buying the extended warranty, so that if they keep our Liberty, they can then give us a rental car. After I have the warranty in place, I will call for an appointment. With everything I have learned from all of you, at least I can steer them in the right direction on how to fix it. Farout doesn't seem to be too keen on reflashing the PCM, especially when it involves replacement of the EGR. So if they end up reflashing our PCM, I hope I don't start having other problems. SemperFi
  • Hello SemperFi06, I just purchased a used 06 with 6008 miles on it. It took forever to find one. I absolutely love it and want to be sure I don't do anything stupid with it. I know what the EGR is but I dn't know what thePcm, PS additivies, or S15 is. Should I be adding something to the fuel? As far as I can tell the pumps in the Santa fe area still have the low sulfer and not the ultra low sulfer. When it switches over should I put some sort of additive in it? Also I used to have a 01 powerstroke and there was an additive that went in the coolent. Does the Liberty CRD need the sme thing?

    Thanks

    Axxmatt
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Semper...Wellcome to the forum. The first thing you do is to make sure that all your reflash are done. You do not need any additive for the ULSD fuel no need for anything in the coolant. All you need is a good tech to take care of any problem when arrive. Tell us how you like it...

    Nescosmo
  • synlubessynlubes Posts: 184
    my 05 march build has had some problems but i would by it again replaced pcm egr and torque converter and pump no problems since torque converter was installed in some 05 libertys that was wrong new one is heavier and built for a diesel instead of a gasser love the forum my dealer has only sold two but sent his mechanic to a two day school i feel ok with him he says the motor is super tough i do run 5-30 oil in mine and so far ok has not used any i change at 9000 miles cant seem to find a fuel filter other than jeep any ideas
  • Hi Yall, I'm new to this forum and have owned my Liberty Diesel for 5 months now. We live in Vancouver Canada and made a trip this summer to Arizona to a car meet. We towed my Austin Mini on a trailer and was amazed to see 28 miles per gallon! That's with 3,000 lbs on the hitch! We now have 10,000 miles on our Liberty now and have only had one problem. When leaving Salt Lake City, I tried to accelerate and found absolutly no power available. Barely above an idle! So I pulled over and shut it off, started it again and all was well again. Any ideas? Our dealership found a bunch of problem codes, but had no answer to the problem. It has not happend since.

    Nice to see all this disscussion. Thanks!
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