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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    edited May 2013
    We got about two inches. No problem, GM will work it out for us.

    Preventing climate change is good for business, GM declares (Detroit Free Press)

    "The declaration, now endorsed by 40 companies, was launched in Washington last month with the aim of capitalising on public concern about climate change after Hurricane Sandy and Obama's re-election in the hope of pushing a climate law through Congress.

    More than half of Americans now blame climate change for the extreme weather of recent years, acccording to a study released on Wednesday by the Yale Project on Climate Change."

    General Motors urges Obama and Congress to unite on climate change (guardian.co.uk)

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    More than half of Americans now blame climate change for the extreme weather of recent years,

    Not many years ago the consensus of the World's leading scientists was CO2 was causing GLOBAL WARMING. We are still increasing CO2 and getting cooler in the process. So they change their tune from GW to CC. hmmmm sounds like a scam to me. I can see big companies putting in solar arrays to save on electricity and possibly fossil fuel. I cannot see stealing money from the tax payers to do it. If it is sound business as GM is saying it should pay for itself. More corporate welfare in the making. And they have figured out how to get the lefties to support it.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,593
    Maybe some day they'll stop drinking the Kool-aid stirred up by Al Gore :sick: .
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    edited May 2013
    It's May 4th and I have fresh snow on the ground and the temp is in the mid-30's. I'm ready to brush off Carl Sagan's nuclear winter theory.

    Also had two turkeys in the front yard yesterday - guess the weird weather flushed them out of the woods.

    Everyone has pollen complaints this year (south of us that is); sounds like the pollen counts are going to double by 2040 the way the warming is going.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    I have never had allergy problems in my life until they passed all these emissions laws. I think exhaust must have neutralized the pollen in the air. With leaded gas I could not breath. With ethanol gas my nose never stops running.

    Russian climate scientist are saying 200-250 years of mini ice age. That will kill off a lot more people than any GW would.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,927
    That will kill off a lot more people than any GW would.

    Yes, but you are forgetting that the ice age will be called climate change...which is, of course, caused by GW. It is a new variation on the old scam, heads I win, tails you lose.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    I think the GW cult will have a hard time selling their snake oil in Arkansas...

    For the first time since written weather history began in Arkansas (1819), snow has fallen in the month of May. This snow has set records for the latest snowfall and latest measurable snowfall in the state.

    The previous latest snowfall ever recorded was on April 30, 1903 at Harrison, Gravette and Fayetteville. This was not measurable.


    http://www.magnoliareporter.com/news_and_business/regional_news/article_826c709e- -b48c-11e2-8626-0019bb2963f4.html
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    edited May 2013
    Extreme weather is an indicator though, don't you know.

    The other odd pattern is the lack of tornadoes. If I was in woo-pig-sooie country, I'd rather have the snow than the tornadoes, but I guess that's supposed to change in a week or so.

    Most Americans Blame Global Warming for Extreme Weather (accuweather.com)

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    Nearly 50 percent of the population believes global warming made the droughts that plagued the Midwestand the Great Plains last year more severe. Similarly, 46 percent of Americans believe climate change exacerbated the effects of Superstorm Sandy, which battered the Northeast in October 2012.

    That means more than 50% are not fooled by the BS pushed by A Gore and his cult like followers. Carl Sagan was also a nut job with a few more degrees than Al Gore. What is scary is when they start believing the crap they are saying. If the Earth is 4+ billion years old our few thousand years will be a very tiny blip. Not worth the pain the governments are putting on the people, especially the poor that cannot afford to keep their homes warm in the longer colder winters we are experiencing.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    edited May 2013
    Well, I didn't see the survey. The choices could be yes, no, and undecided. You're on vacation, maybe you can go look it up. :shades:

    "Almost" 50% is a surprising to me number as it is. To listen to the so-called main stream media, you'd think no one believes that people are changing the climate.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    No one I know believes it. Remember 51% percent picked Obama to be President. He is pushing GW and his followers are on his payroll. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    How do you top making national news for bigotry? Trying getting people to "Give Up (Eating) Hamburgers to Stop Climate Change."

    "That's right; essentially, if every fourth time someone craved, say, beef, chicken or cow milk they instead opted for a veggie burger, a bean burrito or water, we have a chance to halt the emergency," he added.


    Doesn't this nut job know we are using all our farm land to produce Ethanol? Another idea from the Kooks on the Left.

    For loony lefty syndicated columnist David Sirota, it's all just another day at the office. Sirota made national news for his bizarre and bigoted hope that the Boston bomber would turn out to be "a white American."

    http://cnsnews.com/blog/dan-gainor/lefty-sirota-we-are-incinerating-planetbecaus- e-too-many-us-eat-cheeseburgers
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,927
    Don't worry about the numbers, percentages, etc. These days you can pay someone to come up with whatever numbers you want, just by asking the same question in different ways. No problem.

    There is probably 10% of the population that is making money off the GW scam in some way, and another 10% who are just nut cases who will fall for anything. This 20% are so vocal and get so much media attention that it just seems like 50%.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    In 1999, Al Gore, then U.S. vice president and a Democratic candidate for president, sold $6,000 worth of cows. The former senator, who spent most of his working life in Congress, had a net worth of about $1.7 million and assets that included pasture rents from a family farm and royalties from a zinc mine, remnants of his rural roots in Carthage, Tennessee. Funds from the cattle sale went to three of his kids, according to federal disclosure forms filed as part of his presidential run.

    Fourteen years later, he made an estimated $100 million in a single month.

    His work and writing on global warming have earned him a share of a Nobel Prize as well as a South Park cartoon parody in which he tries to scare school kids to his beliefs with a fictitious global-warming surrogate monster known as ManBearPig.

    Whatever you think of Gore, one thing is indisputable: leveraging his aura as a technology seer and his political and climate work connections, Gore has remade himself into a wealthy businessman, amassing a fortune that may exceed $200 million.


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-06/gore-is-romney-rich-with-200-million-af- ter-bush-defeat.html
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    edited May 2013
    Puts him in good company with the Koch Brothers (just needs another $800 million lol).

    Not sure what your point is though - Al Gore Sr. had plenty of money back in the day (that would be my day, when he was my senator during my Chattanooga years). You'd rather he sit back and spend the old man's money?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    The old man was a crooked politician in his own right. Al Jr took right after his dad. Different scam same results. GW is no different than any other political scam. The politicians get rich and the tax payers get the shaft. I don't think Sr was ever in a league with Jr for playing on the little minds of the sheep. Coldest winter and Spring on record for much of the World and the GW cult keep saying the same lame crap. Lowest number of Tornadoes, which shoots that part of the theory all to heck. My friends are up near the Canadian border waiting for the ice to melt so they can take their boat to their cabins in Canada. Last year they were in getting the cabins ready by the 15th of April.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    edited May 2013
    Guess you didn't hear it was in the 80s in Oregon and Seattle. And California (remember it?) has already had a major fire and the rest of the West is already bracing for Fire Threat. (WSJ).

    I like policy wonks like Al. More entertaining than most of the droning. About the only pol who can wonk with him is Newt or maybe Hillary. Be a hoot to have dinner with Gore and Gingrich. Just don't bring up the subject of wives. :shades:

    Kind of surprised that your link didn't mention Al's connection with the greening of Walmart; he was a big influence on their operations. Of course most people don't think of Wally World as being all that green but lots of green stuff boils down to saving money.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,608
    edited May 2013
    Believe or don't believe in GW, but the US is doing more than other countries to reduce GHG. How? The natural gas revolution.

    This also shows how US regulations are a waste of time, given the impact of China and India.
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    More here.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    The other angle is that the natural gas here is resulting in cheaper coal in the EU and other countries. So plans for cleaner natural gas plants over there are getting shelved because they can't compete on price any more.

    Warren Buffett is fighting a bunch of ranchers over using his railroad's eminent domain power to get his coal to the west coast so it can be shipped somewhere, since we don't need it in the US.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,608
    Yeah, the coal is an issue, but natural gas production is exploding EVERYWHERE. Look at Australia, putting in LNG projects left and right, much of it now going to CHINA. That'll curb their coal demand...
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    Not to worry, I just put my life savings toward Solar Traps. (mcclatchydc.com).

    Should be good, I made a killing on HHO gizmo and the Tornado. :shades:

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,608
    Woo-Hoo! Sign me up! What's not to trust?

    "If the trap even comes close to meeting his futuristic vision, its impact could be breathtaking: It could reorder the world’s energy landscape, end the global economic drag of soaring energy costs, and eventually curb greenhouse gas emissions that are blamed for climate change.

    That all might sound rather rosy, since the previously undisclosed invention has yet to be constructed and fully tested."

    (emphasis added... ;) )
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,927
    edited May 2013
    I should have waited and invested in this one instead of buying that franchise selling frozen spinach on a stick.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    edited May 2013
    I just put my life savings toward

    I would hope not. Any quack that claims solar will satisfy 92% of the energy needs is smoking some real strong stuff. Even 50% would be a stretch with the sun shining less than that across the globe year round.

    “This is a fundamental scientific and environmental discovery,” Ace said. “This invention can meet about 92 percent of the world’s energy needs.”

    This guy is looking for a big fat tax payer funded payday. Our cost for solar is double what it costs in Germany now. No one in the USA even has a solar PV greenhouse available like they have in the UK.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,860
    You don't need to "see" the sun to get energy from it. And don't forget that coal and oil came from the sun originally.

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  • stephroshstephrosh Posts: 2
    According to the latest study the U.S. automobiles and light trucks are responsible for nearly half of all greenhouse gases emitted by automobiles globally. The 450 million vehicles on the road today account for half of the world's total consumption, generate nearly one fifth of greenhouse gas emissions, and have pervasive effects on land use and air quality.

    A few air pollutants, called criteria air pollutants, are common throughout the United States. These pollutants can injure health; harm the environment and cause property damage. The current criteria pollutants are:

    Carbon Monoxide – an odorless, colorless gas and is formed when the carbon in fuels does not completely burn. Vehicle exhaust contributes roughly 60 percent of all carbon monoxide emissions nationwide, and up to 95 percent in cities. Other sources include fuel combustion in industrial processes and natural sources such as wildfires.

    Lead

    Nitrogen Dioxide

    Sulfur Dioxide

    Ozone.

    It is said that more than 60 percent of U.S. transportation emissions come from cars and light trucks.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,608
    edited May 2013
    Your numbers don't match those of the EPA:
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    US share by source:
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    So if US transportation is 28% of total US GHG, and US is 19% of global GHG, then US transportation is about 5% of total global GHG.

    Or did you really mean that, despite your dire statements?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    According to the latest study the U.S. automobiles and light trucks are responsible for nearly half of all greenhouse gases emitted by automobiles globally.

    You are listening to people with a vested interest in pushing the GW scam. IPCC says 15% is from all transportation. Ask 50 scientists and get 50 different sets of answers. If you don't want to add to the GHG and CO2 ride a bike and don't eat any gaseous foods.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,028
    Time to hang all the eco nuts.

    Under California law, residential customers pay higher prices for additional electricity – through a system of "tiers" – as they use more. In 2001, after the energy crisis, the Legislature capped rates for the lowest two tiers and for low-income customers who receive special discounts under the California Alternate Rates for Energy program, or CARE. Subsequently, increased costs for utility services were borne entirely by upper-tier users. That dynamic drove PG&E's top-tier price to an astounding 50 cents in early 2010.

    Senate Bill 695, enacted in October 2009, gave some relief by allowing rates in the lowest two tiers to increase gradually. PG&E managed to bring its top rate down to 34 cents today – which is still double the average cost of service, and much higher than utilities outside the state are authorized to charge.


    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/22/5208338/californias-electric-rate-system.html

    http://www.calwatchdog.com/2013/05/15/electricity-rate-shock-more-likely-than-bl- ackouts-this-summer/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,608
    You have my sympathy, I've been paying about $0.08/kw-hr, retail, residential, in Dallas.
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