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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    Yes indeed, S.O.P. for all who work for Obama.

    After a many years long campaign, the government is closing some 600 weather stations that they finally admitted were compromised and giving false data, data that distorted overall climate data with false readings that made warming look worse than it was.

    They probably still need to close thousands more.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    The New York Times, a faithful shill for Al’s snake-oil elixir, following the wagon from town to town, got an advance copy of the U.N. report and gives out with the “good” news: It’s a “near certainty” that humans are responsible for the rising temperatures of recent decades, and warns that by the end of the century all the little people — small children, midgets and others whose growth was stunted by drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes at an early age — will be up to their belly buttons in salt water. The seas will rise by more than three feet.

    President Obama tried the other day to elbow Al aside to lead with his assertion that hurricanes are getting worse and that only he has the power to put them in their place. Hurricanes are actually getting not worse, but fewer. Only three major hurricanes have made landfall so far in Mr. Obama’s presidency. Grover Cleveland, who was president between 1885 and 1889, entertained 26 major hurricanes during his presidency, and that was before global warning was invented.

    On the contrary, what frustrates Al and the snake-oil industry is that the skeptics can no longer be shut out of the conversation. “We can expect the climate crisis industry to grow increasingly shrill, and increasingly hostile toward anyone who questions their authority,” Kenneth P. Green, a former member of the U.N. panel, predicted three years ago. Another former panelist, Dr. Kimimori Itoh, a Japanese physical chemist, calls the phenomenon “the worst scientific scandal in history. When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.”

    That’s too bad, because when science and scientists one day discover a genuine crisis, nobody will listen. We’re up to our ears already in snake oil.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/23/pruden-up-to-our-ears-in-snake-o- il/
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited August 2013
    Ah, the Washington Times. Uh huh.

    Down here in New Mexico, our friends have a neighbor who's a retired resource prof and he's following the drought. He likes the theory that the jet stream has shifted due to arctic changes. The idea is that the loss of sea ice is causing the loss of rain down here due to jet stream or circulation pattern changes. I recently picked up on it because of this headline, even though I don't plan on running the Grand again.

    Unprecedented Cut in Colorado River Flow Ordered, Due to Drought (wunderground.com)

    Come to think of it, if the river shrinks below 1,000 cfs, maybe I could canoe it without swimming every 100'.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    They did not bother to mention that the 3 states using that water have had massive increases in population and water usage. CA is double from 50 years ago, AZ has 5 times the population, and NV almost 10 times the population. That is a lot of toilet flushing. As for drought we are a desert. Hopefully we get some rain. Our friends spent 5 days in Prescott AZ and it rained 4 of the 5 days they were there. I am sure the firefighters would appreciate rain as well.

    If it happened 800 years ago, do you think Al would blame that on Man as well.

    GEOFFREY NORMAN says
    Reverend Gore, of course, doesn't deny climate change. Climate change has been very good to him, though he hasn't made any notable personal sacrifices to curtail it or, even, set an example of saintliness. Does not fly commercial or live, at last report, in a yurt.

    He has, in short, the same sort of relationship with "carbon" that Elmer Gantry had with sin.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    edited August 2013
    "Up to our ears in snake oil". LOL, love it.

    In the 70's, these "scientists" told us to prepare for global cooling... nothing happened.

    In the 80's, it was the ozone hole that was going to do us in...nothing happened.

    Starting about 15 years ago it was global warming...nothing happened.

    Now it is the enigmatic "climate change". Well, maybe they finally found something that can't be disputed... the climate has been changing for the last few billion years, so I am sure it will continue to do so.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    Actually the Montreal Protocol has been pretty sucessful.

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    The only thing successful about the MP was that it was successfully ratified by several countries. It was just another misguided attempt to correct a problem that did not exist.

    The only place the ozone thinning was ever noticed was at the south pole. It has probably been that way for a few million years and just recently noticed. Certainly there aren't a lot of people at the south pole running around haphazardly spraying hair care products.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited August 2013
    That's not the way I heard it.

    Saw a woman on C-SPAN book talk not long ago saying global warming has plateaued. Something along the lines of this story from The Week. Ah, this was the show. She just mentioned GW in passing.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    So why isn't Al toning down his lies and rhetoric? He wants to get his CC stocks to shoot back up. He is a GREEDY low life [non-permissible content removed], that has Lied to the World and is trying to keep the lie alive. He can call those that are skeptical every foul name on national TV, we that have a brain to think for ourselves should reciprocate.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited August 2013
    Beats me - are you watching TV or something again? It's been at least a couple of years since I've seen or read anything about Al - really nothing much since the divorce.

    [edit] - if this leak is true, then we'll have some new ammo next month to play with. (theweek.com)

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    Interview has been all over the Net.

    A Union of Concerned Scientists blogger wrote Thursday the former vice president deserved kudos for his "Nobel-Peace-Prize winning efforts" in being a strong voice on climate change -- but that a piece of misinformation made its way into an interview he gave to the Washington Post.

    Gore, referring to Hurricane Sandy as the type of strong storm that's fueled by climate change, told the paper “the hurricane scale used to be 1-5 and now they’re adding a 6.”

    "The extreme events are more extreme," Gore said in his Post interview. "The fingerprint of man-made global warming is all over these storms and extreme weather events.”

    "There are no plans by the National Hurricane Center — the federal office responsible for categorizing storms — to create a new category," she blogged, adding: "Though, it is worth noting that the rest of the interview included accurate and important information and it’s unfortunate that this blip made its way in."

    She also warned that "Politicians and others can be effective communicators of climate science and guide us toward policy action, but they risk creating confusion and eroding public confidence in science when they make misrepresentative statements."

    http://www.newsmax.com/SciTech/al-gore-climate-change/2013/08/22/id/521861
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    Well, that explains the Washington Times getting all excited. But I missed all that.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    Why should I believe what is written in a rag called THE WEEK? I don't trust anything I read anymore. EVERYTHING IN THE MEDIA AND ON THE WEB is agenda based. 99% has very little basis in fact. Most of the USA is having the mildest summer on record. South America is having the coldest winter on record. Those I assume are facts. We just experienced the shortest summer in the Arctic since when?

    The GW cult is grabbing at every little shred of evidence and so are those that are skeptical. Divided we stand.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    Well, you don't have to believe The Week (just a site I found tonight): all you have to do is wait a month and see what the latest UN report says. Then you can dissect the conclusions drawn from all the studies.

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  • greg128greg128 Posts: 372
    edited August 2013
    Last week CNN aired a report that sea level rise "could be" 3 feet by the end of the century. They showed a map of Manhattan before and after with a large part of the perimeter under water.

    I actually looked up the data. Sea level has been rising since the end of the last ice age. On average in the last 110 years it has risen 1.7mm per year. THAT RATE HAS DECLINED to 1.2mm per year over the last 7 years. That correlates to about 5 inches per century or about 14% of the claimed increase.

    GW is just another excuse for more government control and to suck more money from the private sector. Their "Solution" to tax energy would have absolutely no effect on our climate but would have a huge negative effect on our economy, forcing more people to become dependent on the government...ensuring the re-election of our brilliant and caring leaders.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    edited August 2013
    Basically the GW scam tied to Kyoto, is a way to extort money from the rich countries and give it to the poor countries. Filtered through the corrupt World banking systems. Canada and Russia have told them to stick Kyoto where the sun don't shine. The tin pot dictators across Mexico, So America, Africa and Asia are all standing around with their hands out. They have no binding commitments to cut back on GHG. Thankfully our Congress never ratified Kyoto. Even though Kyoto is all but dead a few die hard states and countries want to continue the extortion.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-08/carbon-market-champions-undeterred-by-k- - yoto-dead-end-eu-says.html

    If you happen to be stuck in a state that extorts every penny from the tax payers like CA, your only real hope is moving out. The mandates that are in place will bankrupt the state. With three good sized CA cities already bankrupt and Los Angeles hanging on by a thread, the state cannot continue to kick the debt burden down the road. One bright spot was the court bringing our stupid High Speed Rail scam to a screeching halt. Hopefully they de-fund the agency and send them all packing.

    Court rules California bypassed requirements for bullet-train process
    Officials failed to comply with funding and environmental reviews set in the 2008 ballot measure, the judge says in a ruling over a lawsuit aimed at stopping the project.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0817-bullet-ruling-20130817,0,4946222.st- - ory
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    IS A WAY TO EXTORT MONEY FROM THE RICH COUNTRIES AND GIVE IT TO THE POOR COUNTRIES.

    What it really is, is a way to extort money from the poor people in a rich country and give it to the rich people in a poor country.

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    As I am sure you are aware, the U.N. is the most corrupt, politicized, and wasteful org. on this earth. Of course they are behind the climate change hoax and will push to perpetuate it any way they can. I would not put any stock on anything coming out of the U.N.

    In very simple terms, their agenda could be boiled down to, "No man made climate change, no paycheck for us".

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    I have actually heard people use the argument that when water gets warmer it also expands and that this will contribute to sea level rise.

    What they don't understand is that most things do expand as they heat up, but water has some peculiar properties and does just the opposite. It expands as it gets colder and freezes then contracts as it heats up.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,693
    "What they don't understand is that most things do expand as they heat up, but water has some peculiar properties and does just the opposite. It expands as it gets colder and freezes then contracts as it heats up."

    That is true ONLY around the freezing point, beginning at 39 F. At any higher temperatures water expands with temperature.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    True, but I would not call 39.2 degrees F very close to freezing.

    I am no scientist but fire and water have always been very mysterious and fascinating to me. Almost like magic in their properties. I don't think that even the top scientists fully understand them.

    It is a good thing that ice becomes less dense and floats..like ice cubes and ice bergs. I hate to think what would happen if all the floating sea ice suddenly sank to the bottom.

    It probably can be done, but I have no idea how you could destroy water. You can change it from a liquid to a gas or to a solid, but it is still there.

    If you ever find yourself in danger from a forest fire, do not try to run uphill to escape. Fire is one of the few things that travels faster uphill than downhill.

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited August 2013
    It probably can be done, but I have no idea how you could destroy water.

    Well, if one were to believe David Suzuki and his followers, just using it to frack, effectively destroys the water. For life so they claim.

    That's another guy that (seems to) have an agenda. I wish he would stick to wildlife nature features...but then even when he does those now, he weaves the man-is-all-things-responsible angle into it..
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    Just found this posted on Facebook. It seems to be an Elon Musk venture. Or at least he is involved. May be the answer to the horrible High Speed Rail that have eluded US so far.

    WHAT IS ET3 and HOW DOES IT WORK?

    ET3 is literally "Space Travel on Earth". ET3 is silent, low cost, safe, faster than jets, and is electric.

    Car sized passenger capsules travel in 1.5m (5') diameter tubes on frictionless maglev. Air is permanently removed from the two-way tubes that are built along a travel route. Airlocks at stations allow transfer of capsules without admitting air. Linear electric motors accelerate the capsules, which then coast through the vacuum for the remainder of the trip using no additional power. Most of the energy is regenerated as the capsules slow down. ET3 can provide 50 times more transportation per kWh than electric cars or trains.


    http://www.et3.com/
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,065
    edited August 2013
    I have been aware of this for some time. I thought it worked like the vacuum tubes you use at the bank but apparently that is not the case. An electric power source powers you up to speed in a vacuum tube (just like space flight) and you coast to your destination.

    Easier and cheaper to build, like 1/20th the cost of high speed rail, and much more efficient. I think it will work.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited August 2013
    My brother's microwave died not long ago. He took it apart - there's some fun donut magnets in those things. Had a good time showing off and levitating plate and stuff for his grandkids. The California light rail project is maglev but this project of Musk's would handle the air friction part.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    I don't think the CA High speed rail was going to be MagLev. Just high speed rail like they have in several places including China. The CA/NV is supposed to be Maglev. Not sure it has gotten off the ground with the recession. I think Harry spent the money on the airport.

    http://www.canv-maglev.com/index.html
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    edited August 2013
    MAGLev is history for CA.

    SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA: Maglev gone, but high-speed rail remains
    Regional transportation planners focus funding, planning on local connections, not bullet train to Nevada

    But the idea of a magnetic levitation train didn’t stick around for long in regional transportation plans developed by the Southern California Association of Governments. Local planners instead are concentrating on connections within Southern California, so that when — and if — bullet trains ever come, conventional trains have a steady and direct route to get to them.

    So 11 years after maglev made its debut in the regional transportation plan for Southern California, the agency overseeing the road and transit plan has deleted most of the Anaheim-to-Vegas route once proposed, saying maglev is not moving forward and is falling behind a competing project. As a result, the 2012 transportation plan under consideration by the Southern California Association of Governments does not include the $12.1 billion California-Nevada Super-Speed Train.

    http://www.pe.com/local-news/transportation-headlines/20120121-southern-californ- - ia-maglev-gone-but-high-speed-rail-remains.ece

    PS
    Hopefully they are both gone FOREVER.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    Thanks, just flashed on an old link I guess. Sounds like the Shanghai one is just a "demonstration" one.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,693
    Folks somehow think high speed rail actually would solve something. Without the built in population density and local transportation of Europe, it's a guaranteed black hole for all our non-existent $$.

    They just celebrated the 30th anniversary of the local transportation network (DART, Dallas Area Rapid Transit). Guess how much of the DART budget is paid by actual fares (i.e., the users).....12%! Ridership has been HALF of projections, and isn't getting any better. I bet the same would happen with a high speed rail network.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    San Diego has a nice Trolley system. The ridership does not even come close to paying the bills. Looking at their annual budget, the riders paid about $94 million. State subsidy was $137 million and they are still showing $112 million shortfall. Time for the riders to kick in a little more I would say. Srs can ride all the want for $18 per month.

    Going Green should be a shared proposition. Not just a burden on the tax payers. A student can ride the buses and trolley cheaper than the school bus fees.
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